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Post by beavheart on Mar 21, 2023 16:21:30 GMT -8
I guess I'm just getting old or stuck in the past, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it being an advantage to be on Apple TV or Amazon where you have to seek out the games and pay to watch vs being on linear TV like the big dogs. Just for starters, I have never seen a sports bar anywhere showing a streaming game or match that they weren't specifically showing on purpose. Basically, if it's not on one of the main cable channels, it's not on in a bar or really any public place. That could change, but it will take time. In the meantime, good luck getting Bill's Watering Hole to turn on the OSU game that is on Amazon TV. Bartender would probably just laugh in your face. I will say that I just made the switch myself to streaming, and I loathe Comcrap so I hope you are right. Especially if the media deal does include streaming, which it sounds like it will. I understand it's the way of the future, but is it too soon perhaps to gamble the conference's exposure on it? Most of the rest of the country is already rooting for the Pac12 to fail. If we are hidden out of sight, they win. This is all starting to feel like the wrong end of a body-bag game. We're taking a payday, but are going to get left in the dust in every other way. I am sure you are right about a small or independent bar like "Bills watering hole", but many of the chains are already doing only streaming, because it is too hard to claim to have any game, but have to manage cable vs satellite vs streaming, etc. It is a lot easier for them to just have something like Fubo TV which is 100% streaming and has pretty much every channel imaginable. For instance I am pretty sure Buffalo Wild Wings (which claims it can show almost any sport/game you want) is mostly streaming. Especially for premier league and non traditional over the air American sports. I definitely think it is the way of the future and don't think we are too soon. Of course now that I am excited about streaming I am sure the Pac-12 will choose a crappier linear channel to go with... Get excited for most Beaver games to be on TCM and HGTV  Lol. Just say "NO" to ION Television. I have to say thanks OBF. You're making my Beavheart feel a little better about all of this. It will definitely be interesting to see what the deal they come up with, and how much of it will be streaming. Maybe it will be the Pac12 that will be ahead of the curve, for once. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 21, 2023 16:52:54 GMT -8
Ahhh, auto correct and spell checker the greatest double edged sword of all time  Too bad we don't have editors and proof readers anymore  I think the second bolded quote is a bit of a misnomer... The BEAUTY of streaming is that access is MORE abundant, not less. The only thing keeping me from an Apple TV subscription is a click of a button. The thing keeping me from a comcast subscription could literally be it is impossible for me to get it at my house (and thus use direct TV) and/or the cost and hassle of changing cable service providers or changing your cable package can be huge and expensive. IMHO, streaming services are the way of the future, and the traditional cable companies will simply be ISPs in the future, no TV at all. Think about it this way. How many people have see Ted Lasso, or Game of thrones, or any other streamed content vs how many people have the Pac-12 Network, or even ESPN the cable channel (not streamed). Now you can watch Ted Lasso AND get Beaver games and you can cancel easily online anytime (say you only want it for football season) then reup in the fall again. In Fact I am guessing things will get even more striated. Instead of a full subscription to Apple TV, you will just "rent" a season of Ted Lasso, or just buy access to stream a single Beaver game. Truly ala carte programming for each individual. I for one would welcome this (assuming the rental / purchase prices are reasonable). I guess I'm just getting old or stuck in the past, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it being an advantage to be on Apple TV or Amazon where you have to seek out the games and pay to watch vs being on linear TV like the big dogs. Just for starters, I have never seen a sports bar anywhere showing a streaming game or match that they weren't specifically showing on purpose. Basically, if it's not on one of the main cable channels, it's not on in a bar or really any public place. That could change, but it will take time. In the meantime, good luck getting Bill's Watering Hole to turn on the OSU game that is on Amazon TV. Bartender would probably just laugh in your face. I will say that I just made the switch myself to streaming, and I loathe Comcrap so I hope you are right. Especially if the media deal does include streaming, which it sounds like it will. I understand it's the way of the future, but is it too soon perhaps to gamble the conference's exposure on it? Most of the rest of the country is already rooting for the Pac12 to fail. If we are hidden out of sight, they win. This is all starting to feel like the wrong end of a body-bag game. We're taking a payday, but are going to get left in the dust in every other way. It sounds to me like you're thinking you'll need to seek out and pay for individual games. I'm assuming it's all part of the monthly package, at which piont it's really no different than paying for cable, satellite or any other paid television service, except that it's likely cheaper for the end user. If the league were thinking pay-per-view, they could do that already through just about any of the cable providers. UH did that through Oceanic Cable (part of Time Warner?) 12-14 years ago when I lived in Hawaii. The bars had to adjust when cable and satellite came out, I suspect at least the bars in Pac 12 territory will adjust if the league goes to playing games on Amazon or Apple. In a few years probably other leagues would follow and the rest of the bars in the country that hadn't already will follow. There's a possibility with Apple it might be added onto whatever program they have going on with major league soccer, in which case every bar that already has that would likely have easy access to the Pac games as well. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 21, 2023 18:38:21 GMT -8
One thing about streaming, there's a possibility that the Pac could literally just play EVERY GAME at noon (pick a time, noon was an example) on Saturday and fans could go play with the kids or whatever they want Saturday morning, then any time past noon hit the couch and watch whatever game they want, at any time they want, uninterrupted by commercials, while being able to rewind or fast forward any time they want, then go straight to, or mix with, any other league game they want. No recording, chasing down replays or waiting for game replays in the middle of the night. It's just a different way of doing things that might take a bit of getting used to. Don't you think folks still like to watch sports live? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 21, 2023 19:05:35 GMT -8
One thing about streaming, there's a possibility that the Pac could literally just play EVERY GAME at noon (pick a time, noon was an example) on Saturday and fans could go play with the kids or whatever they want Saturday morning, then any time past noon hit the couch and watch whatever game they want, at any time they want, uninterrupted by commercials, while being able to rewind or fast forward any time they want, then go straight to, or mix with, any other league game they want. No recording, chasing down replays or waiting for game replays in the middle of the night. It's just a different way of doing things that might take a bit of getting used to. Don't you think folks still like to watch sports live? That option is there. The option of starting a few minutes late and not missing kickoff is still there. Maybe I'm weird, but when the Beavs are playing I don't watch other games. On a bye weekend I'll watch a couple games, but I kinda like the idea of watching both games exactly when I want to watch them, and if 2 games I want to see are playing at the same time I can easily watch them both in their entirety. I essentially get thst now because FUBO offers a ton of recording storage, but going to straght streaming would essentially be the same thing. |
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Post by sparty on Mar 21, 2023 19:12:16 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Mar 21, 2023 19:17:53 GMT -8
I definitely, at this point in time, would prefer linear tv over streaming because I think switching between channels/slash games is easier on linear, which is the heart of capturing the college fan at least some of the time. SEC people want to see SEC ball but they also want to see other games during commercials and halftime. If someone is watching a game, especially a blowout and more especially a blowout with their team on the losing side, they may be more willing to go elsewhere if another game is close.
But if you have to log off Sling and switch to Apple + to get there, a lot of people won't be willing to make that big of a switch that takes an extra 12-18 seconds. Someone too lazy to use their freaking turn signal is probably too lazy to press an extra button or two to switch to a different football game.
Also, the biggest conferences are not doing it, and that says a lot about what the market thinks about streaming at this point.
The Pac, if it goes streaming, will be a guinea pig for the market. And if it goes well, the Pac will be pushed out of streaming. It's not like the big ten and the SEC are going to sit back and watch the Pac take off because the streaming experiment struck gold. No, they'll take over streaming as well, just like they took over linear.
F. realignment and the media companies that are pushing bigger conferences and tearing the smaller ones apart.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 21, 2023 19:24:53 GMT -8
I've always felt that once the *ucks' octogenarian sugar-daddy swooshes out the picture, whatever "cachet" they claim to have will go with him. They were nothing special before him and they'll return to that status after. That's really too bad that *ucks and SC didn't split together to Big10. I'd have loved a Pac-10 without uo and SC but with UCLA, and with OSU as the only Oregon school in the conference. |
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Post by sparty on Mar 22, 2023 5:59:37 GMT -8
I've always felt that once the *ucks' octogenarian sugar-daddy swooshes out the picture, whatever "cachet" they claim to have will go with him. They were nothing special before him and they'll return to that status after. That's really too bad that *ucks and SC didn't split together to Big10. I'd have loved a Pac-10 without uo and SC but with UCLA, and with OSU as the only Oregon school in the conference. I think when Knight croaks you will see some sort of legacy payout endowment to the ucks to enshrine his name there forever. I think Washington and the tsdtr won't turn down the half payment of 40 million each from the super conference compared to the 20 million or so the apple angle would bring tp the pac. Don't kid yourself that the 4 corner schools are even more active in pursuing a plan B than these two others are. They are playing the all in card with the pac but the zona schools are working it hard on the other side. |
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Post by beavheart on Mar 22, 2023 6:50:43 GMT -8
I guess I'm just getting old or stuck in the past, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it being an advantage to be on Apple TV or Amazon where you have to seek out the games and pay to watch vs being on linear TV like the big dogs. Just for starters, I have never seen a sports bar anywhere showing a streaming game or match that they weren't specifically showing on purpose. Basically, if it's not on one of the main cable channels, it's not on in a bar or really any public place. That could change, but it will take time. In the meantime, good luck getting Bill's Watering Hole to turn on the OSU game that is on Amazon TV. Bartender would probably just laugh in your face. I will say that I just made the switch myself to streaming, and I loathe Comcrap so I hope you are right. Especially if the media deal does include streaming, which it sounds like it will. I understand it's the way of the future, but is it too soon perhaps to gamble the conference's exposure on it? Most of the rest of the country is already rooting for the Pac12 to fail. If we are hidden out of sight, they win. This is all starting to feel like the wrong end of a body-bag game. We're taking a payday, but are going to get left in the dust in every other way. It sounds to me like you're thinking you'll need to seek out and pay for individual games. I'm assuming it's all part of the monthly package, at which piont it's really no different than paying for cable, satellite or any other paid television service, except that it's likely cheaper for the end user. If the league were thinking pay-per-view, they could do that already through just about any of the cable providers. UH did that through Oceanic Cable (part of Time Warner?) 12-14 years ago when I lived in Hawaii. The bars had to adjust when cable and satellite came out, I suspect at least the bars in Pac 12 territory will adjust if the league goes to playing games on Amazon or Apple. In a few years probably other leagues would follow and the rest of the bars in the country that hadn't already will follow. There's a possibility with Apple it might be added onto whatever program they have going on with major league soccer, in which case every bar that already has that would likely have easy access to the Pac games as well. No, I understand it's not pay-per-view. That would really be the end of the conference. I just don't think the average CFB fan is going to pay the monthly fee for Apple or Amazon to watch Pac12 sports if they don't already have a reason to do so. Most people are still using cable TV. I still don't understand - If the Pac12 Network was a failure because it doesn't reach enough viewers because they couldn't come to terms with just one TV provider (Direct TV), then how is being on a streaming service going to be better? Seems like it's only going to be worse in that regard. I know a lot of you think streaming is the future, and that I'm probably concerned about something that won't be a problem for long, if at all. But I still don't see how this is an improvement over the Pac12 network. At least it was on linear cable, and is available to anyone with cable so long as they pay for the sports package which people will do for a bunch of reasons. At best, it seems like streaming will be on par with what we have now in terms of exposure. If I'm wrong, great! |
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Post by obf on Mar 22, 2023 8:47:12 GMT -8
but switching between Apps takes way too long work. If you are watching a game on Apple or Amazon, you are pretty much locked into that game. I definitely, at this point in time, would prefer linear tv over streaming because I think switching between channels/slash games is easier on linear, which is the heart of capturing the college fan at least some of the time. SEC people want to see SEC ball but they also want to see other games during commercials and halftime. If someone is watching a game, especially a blowout and more especially a blowout with their team on the losing side, they may be more willing to go elsewhere if another game is close. But if you have to log off Sling and switch to Apple + to get there, a lot of people won't be willing to make that big of a switch that takes an extra 12-18 seconds. Someone too lazy to use their freaking turn signal is probably too lazy to press an extra button or two to switch to a different football game. The pain of switching apps is DEFINITELY something that the streaming devices need to address and conquer, but I have faith that they will. It is not a problem with the individual apps, BTW, it is an issue that Roku, Fire Stick, Samsung, etc. needs to solve in their operating systems. Very similar to the difference between Mobile OS and desktop OS. Super easy on a desktop to switch between your apps, even very heavy ones like CPU and Graphics card greedy video games vs. mobile OS's which basically have to relaunch an app every time you switch. As soon as the streaming devices adopt more of the desktop style OS which doesn't close the app when it loses focus this problem mostly goes away. There are also plenty of UI/HFE/Gesture innovation to make the physical action just as seamless as hitting the "previous channel" button on your remote control. BTW, if you use a laptop to manage your streaming services and connect it to you TV via HDMI cable or Chrome cast, then you already have this easy app switching ability. My kids do it all the time on their laptops, with multiple streaming services open, and programs paused waiting to be restarted. In fact... forget everything I just wrote, this is a potential good startup idea I call dibs F. realignment and the media companies that are pushing bigger conferences and tearing the smaller ones apart. Yes. This. Times 1000. Go Beavs! |
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Too bad we don't have editors and proof readers anymore 
