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Post by rgeorge on Apr 16, 2023 14:42:59 GMT -8
What DIDN'T help the cause was numbers like these, which will have to improve a lot for us to take a big step next year (and unfortunately, none had to do w/ Choi): Scoring 357th in the nation FG percentage 330th 3pt percentage 291st Assists/game 352nd For perspective: Scoring defense 82nd in the nation FG percentage 119th 3pt percentage 189th Assists/game 12th Ken Pom rated the defenses that Oregon State faced 45th in the country in aggregate. California played against a comparable aggregate defense and did worse. 14 total wins in 2 years after an E8 run. And, any comparison to Cal helps a cause. 😉 |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 16, 2023 17:41:59 GMT -8
For perspective: Scoring defense 82nd in the nation FG percentage 119th 3pt percentage 189th Assists/game 12th Ken Pom rated the defenses that Oregon State faced 45th in the country in aggregate. California played against a comparable aggregate defense and did worse. 14 total wins in 2 years after an E8 run. And, any comparison to Cal helps a cause. 😉 Hey!! Saying we are #11 is better than we are #12. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 16, 2023 18:06:40 GMT -8
For perspective: Scoring defense 82nd in the nation FG percentage 119th 3pt percentage 189th Assists/game 12th Ken Pom rated the defenses that Oregon State faced 45th in the country in aggregate. California played against a comparable aggregate defense and did worse. 14 total wins in 2 years after an E8 run. And, any comparison to Cal helps a cause. 😉 ? The first paragraph is a non sequitur. Oregon State has won more games in the previous three seasons than Louisville. Please let me know the last time that that happened. As for the last paragraph, you are jumping in the middle of the conversation to move the goalposts. Oregon State's strength is its defense and that has been the case, since Tinkle arrived. If you're talking Beaver offense, you are missing the point or are being intentionally obtuse. Oregon State had a better offense than California and a comparable offense to Louisville and Minnesota against similar schedules. And none of those three teams has an anywhere comparable defense. After that, you can start talking about the Butler range of teams, teams that generally do what Oregon State does but did it slightly better this year and better last year. But Butler hasn't been to a Sweet Sixteen in more than six years and has not been to an Elite Eight in more than 12, so I'd trade the last nine years for the last nine years at Butler in a heartbeat. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 17, 2023 2:20:29 GMT -8
14 total wins in 2 years after an E8 run. And, any comparison to Cal helps a cause. 😉 ? The first paragraph is a non sequitur. Oregon State has won more games in the previous three seasons than Louisville. Please let me know the last time that that happened. As for the last paragraph, you are jumping in the middle of the conversation to move the goalposts. Oregon State's strength is its defense and that has been the case, since Tinkle arrived. If you're talking Beaver offense, you are missing the point or are being intentionally obtuse. Oregon State had a better offense than California and a comparable offense to Louisville and Minnesota against similar schedules. And none of those three teams has an anywhere comparable defense. After that, you can start talking about the Butler range of teams, teams that generally do what Oregon State does but did it slightly better this year and better last year. But Butler hasn't been to a Sweet Sixteen in more than six years and has not been to an Elite Eight in more than 12, so I'd trade the last nine years for the last nine years at Butler in a heartbeat. Not really sure what your point is about Louisville and Minnesota. Talk about nudging those goal posts. Convo starts out talking about this past year, RGeorge has to get in his jab expanding things to the overall record the past two years, and then you expand it to 3 years so you can say Beavers had a better record in last 3 years than Louisville and Minnesota. Why? I’m guessing because that wouldn’t be the case if just looking at past 2 years. As to the original subject of the thread, I hate to say it but this was the “healthiest” Chol has been in college. OK, technically not true I’m guessing, but he did set a career high in total minutes played this year I believe. So what really is “healthy” for Chol. Sure, if he had been able to average 22 to 25 mpg for the entire year things might have looked different for the Beavs this year. That didn’t happen, nor was it really likely to given his past. Feel bad for the kid. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 17, 2023 5:31:42 GMT -8
And speaking of Minnesota basketball, did people see who they recently signed? Jack Wilson. I was very surprised to see that. I could see a mid major taking a flyer on him, but a P6 team. Guess that tells you all you need to know about Minny.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 17, 2023 8:22:17 GMT -8
And speaking of Minnesota basketball, did people see who they recently signed? Jack Wilson. I was very surprised to see that. I could see a mid major taking a flyer on him, but a P6 team. Guess that tells you all you need to know about Minny. Won’t this be his 6th/7th season in college sports? I had big hopes for him when he first signed, they started dwindling when he wasn’t playing during his last year or so of high school. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 17, 2023 8:33:14 GMT -8
And speaking of Minnesota basketball, did people see who they recently signed? Jack Wilson. I was very surprised to see that. I could see a mid major taking a flyer on him, but a P6 team. Guess that tells you all you need to know about Minny. Won’t this be his 7th season in college sports? I had big hopes for him when he first signed, they started dwindling when he wasn’t playing during his last year or so of high school. I think he was a 2018 recruit. But, yeah that injury (back wasn’t it?) really killed his career. I think he might have been close to a top 100 recruit when he signed early with Beavs. Think he fell to low 200s when he couldn’t play his senior year. He looked like he could barely move the little playing time he got his freshman year. It will be interesting to see how he does. I’m rooting for him. |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 17, 2023 8:43:20 GMT -8
Will getting a varsity letter at four different D1 schools give him some sort of record? 1)Oregon State 2)Idaho 3)Washington State 4)Minnesota
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 17, 2023 8:51:56 GMT -8
Will getting a varsity letter at four different D1 schools give him some sort of record? 1)Oregon State 2)Idaho 3)Washington State 4)Minnesota I can think of 2 players off the top of my head who played with 4. Jalen Coleman-Lands played with Illinois, DePaul, Iowa St and Kansas. And Charlie Moore played at Cal, Kansas, DePaul and Miami. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 17, 2023 9:18:27 GMT -8
Will getting a varsity letter at four different D1 schools give him some sort of record? 1)Oregon State 2)Idaho 3)Washington State 4)Minnesota I'm not sure he got a letter at OSU. He barely played and didn't he leave after fall term? |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Apr 17, 2023 10:31:55 GMT -8
I think he had several letters from our hooops team. Unfortunately I think they were usually DNP-CD
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 17, 2023 13:29:28 GMT -8
Will getting a varsity letter at four different D1 schools give him some sort of record? 1)Oregon State 2)Idaho 3)Washington State 4)Minnesota And, would it be (5) letters? Football and hoops at WSU. But, as stated above he only played in (7) or so games at OSU before leaving the team. So he'd not have lettered here... so he's back to (4)! |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 17, 2023 13:51:20 GMT -8
Do you know the criteria for a letter? I see in the 18-19 season he had 7 games, 20 minutes, one rebound, one turnover, four fouls, and 0-3 from the field.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 17, 2023 16:37:56 GMT -8
Do you know the criteria for a letter? I see in the 18-19 season he had 7 games, 20 minutes, one rebound, one turnover, four fouls, and 0-3 from the field. More fouls than baskets made — I think that qualifies for a Beavers center. 😁. I’m kidding. I’m kidding. I’d think just being on the team would qualify right? But as Henry pointed out above, he might have not finished out the season on the team. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 17, 2023 20:17:16 GMT -8
Do you know the criteria for a letter? I see in the 18-19 season he had 7 games, 20 minutes, one rebound, one turnover, four fouls, and 0-3 from the field. There is no set criteria for a letter. But I believe that one is finishing at least one season on the team. Quitting the team after seven games will almost never qualify you for a letter absent extenuating circumstances. Also, in case there was doubt, Jack Wilson played for the Oregon State basketball team but did not earn a letter. |
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