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Post by hoopheritic on Mar 20, 2023 12:21:28 GMT -8
Where are all the people crying conspiracy? Where are all the people claiming that OSU loses all its games because of the officiating? Other than complaining about individual calls from game to game, which is to be expected on a message board, this is really a nothingburger. As far as I can tell, this is the only game that has really been questioned after the fact because of the discrepancy in free throws. Interestingly, I've seen one very negative reaction to the officiating by a former player. So it's possible that some on this board might be right about the game. But who really cares? Calling out people for complaining about the refs on a message board is really not much more than calling them out for just being on the message board. I waited a while to want to share this. This years losses against Colorado were hard to stomach. The one at home getting beat by twenty at home was probably the loss that tasted the worst as a loss. But lead me to ask a question. Sherrod was primarily why they hurt us. But Sherrod is a senior. I asked myself this is the 6 time we played Colorado with her on board. I asked how many times while she played against us did we beat them. I found in the last three years we beat them several times when she played against us. She was the same speed then as now. What was the difference. My take away is this, We had better back court play when we beat them then our recruiting led to in the last two years. 2021 we split 2022 we lost out. But 2020 we won out. My take away is the losses are mounting do to our back court play! IE a change in back court talent! That has evolved of late. Sherrod was really raw coming out of high school but was always incredibly athletic. Over time her shooting improved a lot. She's been fun to watch develop.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2023 12:41:44 GMT -8
I don't think it was necessarily the quickness of Sherrod as far as the officiating (although it never hurts). She hit 5 of 8 free throws and Frida Formann, who definitely does not have a leg up on any of the OSU guards when it comes to speed or quickness, was 6-9. The problem for the Beavers is they weren't drawing foul calls like Colorado was in the game. For whatever reason, that's how the officials saw it on that day. Colorado hit 16 of 24 free throws and OSU hit 3 for 4. Colorado won the game by eight. So yes, the way the game was officiated played a big role in the outcome of the game. That doesn't mean that the officials were wrong in how they called the game. That's up to debate. I would add that maybe part of the reason the Beavers sometimes don't shoot as many free throws as opponents could be the style of offense they play. They don't go out on breaks as often and they tend to shoot a lot of 3s instead of attacking the basket. It also depends on how they are being defended by certain opponents.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 20, 2023 15:11:02 GMT -8
The Beav's shot 500 FT's and the baddies shot 400 FT's. So mostly they shoot more FT's, but when they end up short at the end of the game they foul to try to catch up, so in those games the other teams get more freebie FT's.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2023 17:05:38 GMT -8
Yeah, but that changed significantly in Pac-12 play, in which they were 9th in the conference in FT attempts. The Beavers shot 178 of their free throws in just eight of the nonconference games...Hawaii, Seattle, Eastern Washington, Prairie View, Southern, Jackson St., Nevada and NC Central.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 20, 2023 17:52:40 GMT -8
Having been a sports fan my entire life and I have never observed a fan base that isn't unhappy with the officials/refs/umps at some point in time. Yes, there is better and worse officiating, but having been a ref in a prior life, I can say at best it is an extremely difficult job, at worst it is virtually impossible.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2023 18:32:52 GMT -8
Having been a sports fan my entire life and I have never observed a fan base that isn't unhappy with the officials/refs/umps at some point in time. Yes, there is better and worse officiating, but having been a ref in a prior life, I can say at best it is an extremely difficult job, at worst it is virtually impossible. Definitely...one thing I would like to see is the conference (and probably all conferences) make sure all the officials are very well trained and prepared to do the best job they can. I'm not sure that always happens. A good example would be the OSU-UO football game this past fall. A line judge incorrectly marked the ball on a run by Martinez (most of you know the play). The problem seemed to be that he thought he was supposed to mark the ball where Martinez's body part (knee) hit the turf when it was supposed to be marked where the ball was when the body part touched the turf. And it wasn't the only time he made that mistake.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 20, 2023 19:00:21 GMT -8
Where are all the people crying conspiracy? Where are all the people claiming that OSU loses all its games because of the officiating? Other than complaining about individual calls from game to game, which is to be expected on a message board, this is really a nothingburger. As far as I can tell, this is the only game that has really been questioned after the fact because of the discrepancy in free throws. Interestingly, I've seen one very negative reaction to the officiating by a former player. So it's possible that some on this board might be right about the game. But who really cares? Calling out people for complaining about the refs on a message board is really not much more than calling them out for just being on the message board. I waited a while to want to share this. This years losses against Colorado were hard to stomach. The one at home getting beat by twenty at home was probably the loss that tasted the worst as a loss. But lead me to ask a question. Sherrod was primarily why they hurt us. But Sherrod is a senior. I asked myself this is the 6 time we played Colorado with her on board. I asked how many times while she played against us did we beat them. I found in the last three years we beat them several times when she played against us. She was the same speed then as now. What was the difference. My take away is this, We had better back court play when we beat them then our recruiting led to in the last two years. 2021 we split 2022 we lost out. But 2020 we won out. My take away is the losses are mounting do to our back court play! IE a change in back court talent! That has evolved of late. Sherrod had a really good game against us in Corvallis, but didn't play well in game 2. Only 3-12 shooting, and 2 assist. Still, Colorado was the better team and when it wasn't Sherrod hurting us, it was someone else.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 20, 2023 19:30:37 GMT -8
Yeah, but that changed significantly in Pac-12 play, in which they were 9th in the conference in FT attempts. The Beavers shot 178 of their free throws in just eight of the nonconference games...Hawaii, Seattle, Eastern Washington, Prairie View, Southern, Jackson St., Nevada and NC Central. 281 to 282 FT attempts in conference play. Not a real big diff. Especially considering OSU was usually behind and fouling to try to get the ball back.
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Post by grayman on Mar 20, 2023 21:04:30 GMT -8
Yeah. I'm not being critical of the team. Just pointing out that they might not always draw as many fouls when they play the type of offense they typically play. It's not as if they aren't capable of drawing fouls. And they were kind of hamstrung this season with TVO playing hurt and so many other players just trying to find their way. But that doesn't change the reality that they didn't draw fouls at the same rate once they got into conference play. I expect them to do better next season with a healthy TVO and more overall experience for the current freshmen, etc.
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