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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 10, 2023 16:08:28 GMT -8
ADA is not retroactive on existing buildings. That was very clearly enumerated in the establishing legislation. New buildings must be constructed fully compliant with ADA requirements. Existing buildings do not. Um, no, that's incorrect. The implementing regulations, effective in 1992, called for specific actions of covered entities -- which the University is one -- to conducts an assessment of facilities, practices, standards, and procedures to determine the extent to which they complied or did not comply with the ADA AND develop a plan to transition [transition plan] the university to compliance. This was to have been accomplished by 1995. Everything "readily achievable" was to be completed immediately; big ticket items such as facility renovations could be programmed over several years if financially necessary. Take a step back and Section 504, signed into law in 1977, required that very study an planning for all programs receiving federal funds. As a land grant university, the entire University was considered to have received federal funds [especially having received Pell Grant, student loan, work study funds, etc. which it disbursed to students]. AS of 2011 the University was opening classroom buildings that violated the ADA. How? Because every RFP issued to hire architects and builders required compliance with the Oregon Structural Specialty Code -- which did not, at that time, comply with the ADA Standards -- not the ADA. This led to the allocation of more than a million dollars to retrofit Hallie Ford less than a year after it was opened. ADA was enacted into law in 1990 - 32 years ago. How is it that existing campus structures like Gill haven't achieved "required" compliance in 3 decades+? Without any consequences? Unless maybe, they have done what is strictly required and these other steps are non-binding wish list "recommendations" from a study self-commissioned 8 years ago. Just asking. I'm sure you'll let us all know who the villains are. |
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Post by jdogge on Mar 10, 2023 16:27:06 GMT -8
Um, no, that's incorrect. The implementing regulations, effective in 1992, called for specific actions of covered entities -- which the University is one -- to conducts an assessment of facilities, practices, standards, and procedures to determine the extent to which they complied or did not comply with the ADA AND develop a plan to transition [transition plan] the university to compliance. This was to have been accomplished by 1995. Everything "readily achievable" was to be completed immediately; big ticket items such as facility renovations could be programmed over several years if financially necessary. Take a step back and Section 504, signed into law in 1977, required that very study an planning for all programs receiving federal funds. As a land grant university, the entire University was considered to have received federal funds [especially having received Pell Grant, student loan, work study funds, etc. which it disbursed to students]. AS of 2011 the University was opening classroom buildings that violated the ADA. How? Because every RFP issued to hire architects and builders required compliance with the Oregon Structural Specialty Code -- which did not, at that time, comply with the ADA Standards -- not the ADA. This led to the allocation of more than a million dollars to retrofit Hallie Ford less than a year after it was opened. ADA was enacted into law in 1990 - 32 years ago. How is it that existing campus structures like Gill haven't achieved "required" compliance in 3 decades+? Without any consequences? Unless maybe, they have done what is strictly required and these other steps are non-binding wish list "recommendations" from a study self-commissioned 8 years ago. Just asking. I'm sure you'll let us all know who the villains are. They haven't done it because they haven't been sued in federal court. Yet. The self-assessment and transition plan was triggered by the activism of the students with disabilities. Several studies have been completed since: external paths-of-travel and Le Sells to name a couple notable ones. No, I won't name names. Look, this isn't limited to OSU. There are maybe ten universities that have moved on this and made the commitment: Cal, Stanford, UC Merced, and Wright State University, that I can think of off the top of my head. Additionally, about 2010, the Chancellor of the California State University system contract with a firm to evaluate and develop plans for the entire 23 campus system. |
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Post by jdogge on Mar 10, 2023 16:28:51 GMT -8
Real fans in wheelchairs do not. The University commissioned a study in 2015 to assess Gill's compliance with the ADA. The 703 page report identified 1,376 violations of the ADA and recommended $5.6 million in modifications to the facility. When compared to what has been spent on Reser over the last 20 years, $5.6 million is a drop in the bucket. I've taken several people in wheelchairs there and it hasn't been a problem. But I takes planning. Where did they sit? Still in the corners of the second level? |
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 10, 2023 17:27:40 GMT -8
I've taken several people in wheelchairs there and it hasn't been a problem. But I takes planning. Where did they sit? Still in the corners of the second level? Once directly behind the cheerleaders. I tell ya it took some real concentration to see much of the game. Ely made it happen, he's the best person the Beav's have ever had for Community Relations. If being a great guy can be considered Community Relations. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 10, 2023 18:12:40 GMT -8
At the end of my mom's life she was in a wheelchair. A 30+ year season ticket holder and donor for uo I called the ticket office well before the season and asked about potential tickets for her. Was told they had nothing, maybe if she had been in the rebounders club. I told them she had for many years. Still nothing. I called OSU and asked about tickets for the uncivil war, the person said I needed to talk to someone else and transferred me. The person that picked up the phone was very nice and basically said, no problem would I like them at will call. I said that would be fine and that there was a chance that we might not be able to make it. I was told that if something changes just give him a call. We didn't get to use those tickets, my mom passed away a week before the game. I don't know exactly where we would have sat but was told it would be on the floor.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 10, 2023 19:08:00 GMT -8
ADA was enacted into law in 1990 - 32 years ago. How is it that existing campus structures like Gill haven't achieved "required" compliance in 3 decades+? Without any consequences? Unless maybe, they have done what is strictly required and these other steps are non-binding wish list "recommendations" from a study self-commissioned 8 years ago. Just asking. I'm sure you'll let us all know who the villains are. They haven't done it because they haven't been sued in federal court. Yet. The self-assessment and transition plan was triggered by the activism of the students with disabilities. Several studies have been completed since: external paths-of-travel and Le Sells to name a couple notable ones. No, I won't name names. Look, this isn't limited to OSU. There are maybe ten universities that have moved on this and made the commitment: Cal, Stanford, UC Merced, and Wright State University, that I can think of off the top of my head. Additionally, about 2010, the Chancellor of the California State University system contract with a firm to evaluate and develop plans for the entire 23 campus system. Good luck with the lawsuit, I say that sincerely. As far as whether any of this impacts WBB recruiting (the initial point of the discussion about Gill) I would imagine, probably not. |
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Post by jdogge on Mar 10, 2023 21:15:49 GMT -8
They haven't done it because they haven't been sued in federal court. Yet. The self-assessment and transition plan was triggered by the activism of the students with disabilities. Several studies have been completed since: external paths-of-travel and Le Sells to name a couple notable ones. No, I won't name names. Look, this isn't limited to OSU. There are maybe ten universities that have moved on this and made the commitment: Cal, Stanford, UC Merced, and Wright State University, that I can think of off the top of my head. Additionally, about 2010, the Chancellor of the California State University system contract with a firm to evaluate and develop plans for the entire 23 campus system. Good luck with the lawsuit, I say that sincerely. As far as whether any of this impacts WBB recruiting (the initial point of the discussion about Gill) I would imagine, probably not. It would only impact recruiting if a recruit had a grandparent, parent, or sibling in a wheelchair and wanted them to attend games. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 10, 2023 21:37:43 GMT -8
Good luck with the lawsuit, I say that sincerely. As far as whether any of this impacts WBB recruiting (the initial point of the discussion about Gill) I would imagine, probably not. It would only impact recruiting if a recruit had a grandparent, parent, or sibling in a wheelchair and wanted them to attend games. Exactly, although you left out “friend”. (assuming they wouldn’t provide a nice courtside spot for those VIP’s). |
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Post by jdogge on Mar 10, 2023 21:56:43 GMT -8
It would only impact recruiting if a recruit had a grandparent, parent, or sibling in a wheelchair and wanted them to attend games. Exactly, although you left out “friend”. (assuming they wouldn’t provide a nice courtside spot for those VIP’s). It would have to be a romantic partner. Just a garden variety "friend" wouldn't have standing to complain. |
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Post by messi on Mar 13, 2023 10:01:59 GMT -8
Nope, this team is dunzo. I am assuming that the year end tournament they had at one time where teams could pay to get in the games is no longer available?
If it is, this team with all the young players could certainly benefit from a game (or games).
P.S. I remember the Beaver men's team under Craig Robinson playing in such a tournament at least once.
Go Beavs!
Just found this, there is a third-tier women's basketball post-season tournament. Women's Basketball InvitationalOne does not need a .500 winning percentage or better to participate per the FAQ. Also, I never knew there was a Transylvania University. I'm sure the blood drives are an event. |
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 13, 2023 10:20:43 GMT -8
I am assuming that the year end tournament they had at one time where teams could pay to get in the games is no longer available?
If it is, this team with all the young players could certainly benefit from a game (or games).
P.S. I remember the Beaver men's team under Craig Robinson playing in such a tournament at least once.
Go Beavs!
Just found this, there is a third-tier women's basketball post-season tournament. Women's Basketball InvitationalOne does not need a .500 winning percentage or better to participate per the FAQ. Also, I never knew there was a Transylvania University. I'm sure the blood drives are an event. I'm sure the coaches feel there are more important matters, such as recruiting, etc, and the cost may not fit the budget, but I'm selfish and would like to see more Beaver games, and see the young Beavs get more experience. This tournament is guaranteed three games and they are live streamed, so I can see how some teams and their fans would be interested in this. I'm hoping this summer is the Beavs Italy (or somewhere else) trip, because I think the added experience will be good for this group. As of today (first day the portal is officially open) there is a lot to be excited about for next season. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 14, 2023 9:14:53 GMT -8
I am assuming that the year end tournament they had at one time where teams could pay to get in the games is no longer available?
If it is, this team with all the young players could certainly benefit from a game (or games).
P.S. I remember the Beaver men's team under Craig Robinson playing in such a tournament at least once.
Go Beavs!
Just found this, there is a third-tier women's basketball post-season tournament. Women's Basketball InvitationalOne does not need a .500 winning percentage or better to participate per the FAQ. Also, I never knew there was a Transylvania University. I'm sure the blood drives are an event. It's one of the oldest universities in the US, founded in 1790. Transylvania is the alma mater of two U.S. vice presidents, two U.S. Supreme Court justices, 50 U.S. senators, 101 U.S. representatives, 36 U.S. governors, 34 U.S. ambassadors, and Confederate president Jefferson Davis. |
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