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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 22, 2023 13:33:18 GMT -8
Highly doubt that Cal and Stanford agree to let Fresneck and UNLV in due to academics. I think the academics train has left the station. SDSU and SMU are hardly academic powerhouses. Actually, they are both significantly better than Fresno or UNLV. SMU is 72 and SDSU is 151 in the US News rankings. Oregon St is tied with SDSU in the rankings. UNLV and Fresneck are both above 250 in the US News rankings. I know that is only 1 source, but SMU is a really good school. However, we do need to get by that. We are not going to survive if we don't adapt from only recruiting academic powerhouses.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 22, 2023 14:32:52 GMT -8
I think the academics train has left the station. SDSU and SMU are hardly academic powerhouses. Actually, they are both significantly better than Fresno or UNLV. SMU is 72 and SDSU is 151 in the US News rankings. Oregon St is tied with SDSU in the rankings. UNLV and Fresneck are both above 250 in the US News rankings. I know that is only 1 source, but SMU is a really good school. However, we do need to get by that. We are not going to survive if we don't adapt from only recruiting academic powerhouses. SMU was once a storied football school prior to getting the death penalty for what is now legal. They've been to bowl games 5 of last 6 years, their athletic budget is pushing 70 million, and they're in a large recruiting and football eyeball market. I think they could have a lot of potential in a Power 5 league. They are a good school, but I don't see this as strictly an academic move. Rice would be an academic move. I just read they'd been in talks with the Pac until earlier this week, but those talks are "over, for now" with who nixed the idea or if it was mutual unknown.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 22, 2023 14:37:15 GMT -8
Actually, they are both significantly better than Fresno or UNLV. SMU is 72 and SDSU is 151 in the US News rankings. Oregon St is tied with SDSU in the rankings. UNLV and Fresneck are both above 250 in the US News rankings. I know that is only 1 source, but SMU is a really good school. However, we do need to get by that. We are not going to survive if we don't adapt from only recruiting academic powerhouses. SMU was once a storied football school prior to getting the death penalty for what is now legal. They've been to bowl games 5 of last 6 years and their athletic budget is pushing 70 million, anf they're in a large recruiting and football eyeball market. I think they could have a lot of potential in a Power 5 league. They are a good school, but I don't see this as strictly an academic move. Rice would be an academic move. I just read they'd been in talks with the Pac until earlier this week, but those talks are "over, for now" with who nixed the idea or if it was mutual unknown. I heard about Rice....and it is a great school, but they don't spend anything on their sports and they have only been decent in baseball. That would not make sense to me.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 22, 2023 17:53:58 GMT -8
SMU was once a storied football school prior to getting the death penalty for what is now legal. They've been to bowl games 5 of last 6 years and their athletic budget is pushing 70 million, anf they're in a large recruiting and football eyeball market. I think they could have a lot of potential in a Power 5 league. They are a good school, but I don't see this as strictly an academic move. Rice would be an academic move. I just read they'd been in talks with the Pac until earlier this week, but those talks are "over, for now" with who nixed the idea or if it was mutual unknown. I heard about Rice....and it is a great school, but they don't spend anything on their sports and they have only been decent in baseball. That would not make sense to me. Rice is a great school, a worthy addition academically to the Pac-12. SMU is a clown college in comparison to the other schools, including Rice and San Diego State. If SMU really gets us Dallas, though, I'm on board.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 22, 2023 18:29:48 GMT -8
I heard about Rice....and it is a great school, but they don't spend anything on their sports and they have only been decent in baseball. That would not make sense to me. Rice is a great school, a worthy addition academically to the Pac-12. SMU is a clown college in comparison to the other schools, including Rice and San Diego State. If SMU really gets us Dallas, though, I'm on board. If they’re a clown school, what does that make OSU? A Gnome school? They’re much higher rated.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 22, 2023 19:06:24 GMT -8
Rice is a great school, a worthy addition academically to the Pac-12. SMU is a clown college in comparison to the other schools, including Rice and San Diego State. If SMU really gets us Dallas, though, I'm on board. If they’re a clown school, what does that make OSU? A Gnome school? They’re much higher rated. No, they're not. They're higher rated in U.S. News & World Report. Two of the biggest components of their ranking are graduate surveys and how much graduates donate back to the school. The rankings are a joke. Oregon State is an R1 school, as is Rice. Southern Methodist is R2.
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Post by grumpybeaver on Feb 23, 2023 10:33:02 GMT -8
The Tulane boards have been abuzz with PAC12 talk for a couple of weeks. Administration has been very quiet after being very visible promoting facilities upgrades, etc after the Cotton Bowl win. Perhaps that suggests some talks behind the scenes. SDSU/UNLV + SMU/Tulane would be a nice add. I just cant stomach the thought to Fresno or Boise St.
BTW, everyone (media) is crying about the loss of the LA market. However, LA is still very much a Pac12 city with huge and growing alumni base from the other 10 schools. Why? our kids cant get into top tier CA public schools so they head to neighboring states. I suspect there are still more combined Pac"10" eyeballs in LA for the remaining schools than for UCLA+USC. Also, no one in LA has cared about UCLA football since Cade Mcnown was QB. Furthermore, LA will never care about Minnesota vs Rutgers...never.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 23, 2023 10:44:01 GMT -8
If they’re a clown school, what does that make OSU? A Gnome school? They’re much higher rated. No, they're not. They're higher rated in U.S. News & World Report. Two of the biggest components of their ranking are graduate surveys and how much graduates donate back to the school. The rankings are a joke. Oregon State is an R1 school, as is Rice. Southern Methodist is R2. A research ranking is a single component ranking as well. That is not the only ranking for a school. Arizona St is an R2 school....should we kick them out?
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 23, 2023 10:45:02 GMT -8
The Tulane boards have been abuzz with PAC12 talk for a couple of weeks. Administration has been very quiet after being very visible promoting facilities upgrades, etc after the Cotton Bowl win. Perhaps that suggests some talks behind the scenes. SDSU/UNLV + SMU/Tulane would be a nice add. I just cant stomach the thought to Fresno or Boise St. BTW, everyone (media) is crying about the loss of the LA market. However, LA is still very much a Pac12 city with huge and growing alumni base from the other 10 schools. Why? our kids cant get into top tier CA public schools so they head to neighboring states. I suspect there are still more combined Pac"10" eyeballs in LA for the remaining schools than for UCLA+USC. Also, no one in LA has cared about UCLA football since Cade Mcnown was QB. Furthermore, LA will never care about Minnesota vs Rutgers...never. Yet UCLA/USC was the most watched Pac 12 game last year. I don't disagree with you though. UCLA will draw more fans from Big 10 schools to the Rose Bowl then they will from their own local fan base. Still, losing LA schools suck and it has put the Pac 12 at risk of total destruction. That would never happen with those two schools committed to Pac 12.
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Post by obf on Feb 23, 2023 12:49:19 GMT -8
Teams I would add (or reach out to ) if I was Georgie: - San Diego - Southern Methodist - Fresno State - UNLV - University of Houston - Tulane Yes I try to add six more teams. SDSU, UNLV and Fresno bolster the Pacs standing as the main conference in the west and gets us more footing in Calif. and gets us into LV. The three Texas schools gets us into the Texas market for both eyeballs and recruiting. Texas is GROWING, not shrinking like Calif and there is no such thing as too much football in Texas. Sure, SMU, Houston and Tulane aren't A$M, UT and TCU, but there are still going to be more Texans interested in those games, especially with them moving to a Power 5 conference, then there will be Oregonians interested in OSU OR uofho games. That's not a bash on OSU or Oregonians, that is just how the cultures are. 3 Texas schools? Tulane is in Louisiana. Houston is already committed to the Big12. Highly doubt that Cal and Stanford agree to let Fresneck and UNLV in due to academics. Opps, what a dunce I am. Sub in UTSA for Tulane then. (I clearly don't meet the Pac-12 academic standards either ) Yup, we would have to fight for Houston. If Cal and Stanford want to throw a fit about it then maybe they don't want to be in the Pac-12? George has some tough work to do, that is for sure. - He will need to convince Schools to join
- He will need to convince some media institution to pay
- He will need to convince current Pac-12 school to stop being dumb b*tches
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 23, 2023 13:01:27 GMT -8
I believe Houston would have 2 buyouts to pay off at this point, it'd be more than a fight. I'm personally writing them off as a likely possibility. I'm kind of with you on Cal and Stanford nixing Fresno State. I don't think FSU destroys their attendance/viewership/recruiting right now, adding FSU might even help their draw on at least 2 of those counts.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 23, 2023 13:11:41 GMT -8
No, they're not. They're higher rated in U.S. News & World Report. Two of the biggest components of their ranking are graduate surveys and how much graduates donate back to the school. The rankings are a joke. Oregon State is an R1 school, as is Rice. Southern Methodist is R2. A research ranking is a single component ranking as well. That is not the only ranking for a school. Arizona St is an R2 school....should we kick them out? Wikipedia? Arizona State is an R1 school. Arizona State Online, based out of Scottsdale, is an R2 school. All of the Pac-12 schools are R1, which was a point of pride once upon a time. All are far superior academically than San Diego State and Southern Methodist. To include either in a discussion academically is farcical. Rice is a comparable academic university to the Pac-12.
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Post by obf on Feb 23, 2023 14:30:16 GMT -8
I believe Houston would have 2 buyouts to pay off at this point, it'd be more than a fight. I'm personally writing them off as a likely possibility. I'm kind of with you on Cal and Stanford nixing Fresno State. I don't think FSU destroys their attendance/viewership/recruiting right now, adding FSU might even help their draw on at least 2 of those counts. Yeah, maybe Houston is out... Lets look at some athletic budgets ( from here), and Research levels (according to this wiki list) : School | Athletic Budget (in millions) | "R1" Academics | Oregon State | $77 | Yes | SMU | $69 | No | SDSU | $58 | No | UNLV | $47 | Yes | CSU,Fresno | $46 | No | Rice | $42 | Yes | University of North Texas | $40 | Yes | Texas State | $34 | No | UTSA | $30 | Yes
| UTEP | $30 | Yes |
There are a lot more "R1" schools in Texas than I was expecting, too bad SMU isn't one. Not sure if North Texas and SMU are rivals but they are both in Dallas. Rice gets you Houston, UTSA gets you San Antonio, UTEP gets you El Paso (not sure why anyone would WANT that ). Ok, new list of schools to add: - SMU (R1 or not be damned) - SDSU - UNLV - CSUF - Rice - UNT Three CA / west teams, three Texas teams. Heck, we could go for a Pac-Tex division and add Texas State, UTSA and UTEP too
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Post by obf on Feb 23, 2023 14:34:00 GMT -8
A research ranking is a single component ranking as well. That is not the only ranking for a school. Arizona St is an R2 school....should we kick them out? Wikipedia? Arizona State is an R1 school. Arizona State Online, based out of Scottsdale, is an R2 school. All of the Pac-12 schools are R1, which was a point of pride once upon a time. All are far superior academically than San Diego State and Southern Methodist. To include either in a discussion academically is farcical. Rice is a comparable academic university to the Pac-12. If we really only want "R1" schools we could go with: - Colorado State - UNLV - Rice - University of North Texas
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Post by beaverology on Feb 23, 2023 15:09:28 GMT -8
Hearing that ESPN has a $100M offer for 1 Pac10 game a week. That's it, take it or leave it. Amazon wants a Wednesday or Friday night Pac10 game, again 1 game/week. That's probably worth another $100M/year, so the Pac10 is now at $200M or $20M per school. ESPN produces their own games 100%, so no problem there. Amazon would need Pac12 network to produce their game. Apple would need Pac12 network production too. Could the Pac12 network produce all the other games and sell them to Apple (and take the rest of the networks out of the equation)? George K needs to piece together this deal. If he can't get to $30M/year per school, would some of the schools even sign a new Grant of Rights? Obviously, adding SDSU and SMU change the numbers on both sides, but those markets bring more value, so there should be compensation if they're included in new deal. I think George gets this deal done by mid March. Until then, every day it goes on, the speculators and haters will ramp up their doom and gloom. Can't wait for this to be over.
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