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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 14, 2023 19:47:33 GMT -8
An "analysis" from the bastion of unbiased sports journalism, Heartland College Sports titled "The Big 12 Thrives While the Pac-12 Nose Dives" ( link) still manages to raise some good questions: - why hasn't George closed any deal? - will attractive evening slots get soaked up by UCLA/USC? - are media companies beating a path to George's house? - why are other conferences appearing to take action and make constructive moves while the Pac-10 is, in the words of the article, "twiddling their thumbs"? My hope is that George is a pleasant surprise at the end of the day, but at the end of today I am left wondering...... Interesting times. Go Beavers! The article is written by Derek Duke, who is doing a great job at selling Iowa State, knowing full well that Iowa State is looking down the barrel of the same gun that Oregon State is looking down. Most of the article should be read with a mindset akin to: Why hasn't the Big 12 closed a deal? The Big 12 has closed squat. The Big 12 had a deal and it apparently fell apart. So, what is the Big 12 doing that's constructive? Nothing. Evening slots are now "attractive?" Since when? Literally when did that happen? It's almost like an Iowa State fan has no idea what the hell he is talking about. The Pac-12 needs to work with its media partners to invite the best teams and get the best deal. If it needs to be louder, it will be louder. If it needs to be done with cloaks and daggers, it'll be done with cloaks and daggers. Anyone that reads "Yormark is light years ahead of Kliakoff [sic]" and doesn't immediately hit the back button or laugh out loud........... The dude can't even spell Kliavkoff correctly. Anyone reading the article seriously needs to seek clinical help immediately. The Big 12 is trash. Yormark is trash. George K. is in so deep over his head that he can't see light and yet I have more faith in George K. than I do that Yormack has a clue. Please don't amplify Cyclone propoganda!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 14, 2023 20:24:50 GMT -8
This comment about BYU fans intrigued me, especially with the yardstick of hole fans.... My family had an incredibly wonderful visit to Utah/Provo/BYU - now granted it was in July, we flew into SLC to do the 5 national parks and then Las Vegas, and our only BYU encounter was because some art museum on the campus was hosting a world-class Origami exhibit and one of my children was obsessed with origami at the time...... Given the wonderful time we had, I could likely sell my family on a September trip duplicating what we did modulo taking in a game.......which begs the question: what made the BYU fans "the worst fans on the planet"?? My sincere plea is if you take umbrage with the fans religious leanings, just say that and leave it at that since my question is not trying to go down some religious belief rathole, but I suspect there is more to your story than what those fans might be up to on Sunday mornings.......and I am literally quite interested in how their behavior had you rate them below/above? uo fans. Go Beavers! LOL their religion? Mormons party like mofos...not sure if thats part of the indoctrination...so do catholics so there's that. I went to SDSU when BYU and SDSU had a healthy rivalry in the WAC...they travel well no doubt. But they are drunken nasty f%#*s who start fights in packs. Also listening to the drunk dickhead BYU fans yelling nasty s%#t to Sean Canfield about his mom at LV bowl...that sucked. I cant vouch for this, but my ex FIL used to run the chains at home SDSU games. He says BYU players drop the N word more in one game talking s%#t to SDSU players than the entire Death Row catalog. Thanks for the answer. Yikes..... Go Beavers!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 14, 2023 20:26:13 GMT -8
An "analysis" from the bastion of unbiased sports journalism, Heartland College Sports titled "The Big 12 Thrives While the Pac-12 Nose Dives" ( link) still manages to raise some good questions: - why hasn't George closed any deal? - will attractive evening slots get soaked up by UCLA/USC? - are media companies beating a path to George's house? - why are other conferences appearing to take action and make constructive moves while the Pac-10 is, in the words of the article, "twiddling their thumbs"? My hope is that George is a pleasant surprise at the end of the day, but at the end of today I am left wondering...... Interesting times. Go Beavers! The article is written by Derek Duke, who is doing a great job at selling Iowa State, knowing full well that Iowa State is looking down the barrel of the same gun that Oregon State is looking down. Most of the article should be read with a mindset akin to: Why hasn't the Big 12 closed a deal? The Big 12 has closed squat. The Big 12 had a deal and it apparently fell apart. So, what is the Big 12 doing that's constructive? Nothing. Evening slots are now "attractive?" Since when? Literally when did that happen? It's almost like an Iowa State fan has no idea what the hell he is talking about. The Pac-12 needs to work with its media partners to invite the best teams and get the best deal. If it needs to be louder, it will be louder. If it needs to be done with cloaks and daggers, it'll be done with cloaks and daggers. Anyone that reads "Yormark is light years ahead of Kliakoff [sic]" and doesn't immediately hit the back button or laugh out loud........... The dude can't even spell Kliavkoff correctly. Anyone reading the article seriously needs to seek clinical help immediately. The Big 12 is trash. Yormark is trash. George K. is in so deep over his head that he can't see light and yet I have more faith in George K. than I do that Yormack has a clue. Please don't amplify Cyclone propoganda! Thanks for the background info. I don't really follow non-Pac12 stuff, popped up on my newsfeed.....I know, improve my newsfeed. Go Beavers!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Feb 14, 2023 20:41:17 GMT -8
Question - why does no one mention Nevada - Reno as having potential in expansion talks? According to Wikipedia, it is the flagship land grant school in the state (seems to align thematically).. It is rated R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, with a med school. Bigger enrollment than Stanford (or SMU, for that matter), comparable to WSU (until you count all the WSU extended campuses). 30,000 seat football stadium. Respectable in hoops. Have a baseball program. Is it lack of TV eyeballs? Lack of national footprint? Not considered UNLV rivals?
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 14, 2023 21:24:33 GMT -8
: If we never play BYU again I'll be thrilled. Worst fans on the planet.. including hole. : This comment about BYU fans intrigued me, especially with the yardstick of hole fans.... My family had an incredibly wonderful visit to Utah/Provo/BYU - now granted it was in July, we flew into SLC to do the 5 national parks and then Las Vegas, and our only BYU encounter was because some art museum on the campus was hosting a world-class Origami exhibit and one of my children was obsessed with origami at the time...... Given the wonderful time we had, I could likely sell my family on a September trip duplicating what we did modulo taking in a game.......which begs the question: what made the BYU fans "the worst fans on the planet"?? My sincere plea is if you take umbrage with the fans religious leanings, just say that and leave it at that since my question is not trying to go down some religious belief rathole, but I suspect there is more to your story than what those fans might be up to on Sunday mornings.......and I am literally quite interested in how their behavior had you rate them below/above? uo fans. Go Beavers! I think they are just such hard core fans that they say the most horrible things about the opponent, the opponent’s family, more horrible than the typical drunko fan. And they’re sober! If you play them in a bowl game you won’t see hardly any BYU fans around the days before the game. Then, game day? It’s on like Donkey Kong! They swarm the town like the locusts in the Bible. And as soon as the game is over? They’re gone. Were they ever really there? Yes, because they called your grandma a f%#*ing c%#t! Also one more reason they are a bad draw for a bowl game city. Limited hotel and food revenue, no booze sales.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 14, 2023 22:02:31 GMT -8
Question - why does no one mention Nevada - Reno as having potential in expansion talks? According to Wikipedia, it is the flagship land grant school in the state (seems to align thematically).. It is rated R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, with a med school. Bigger enrollment than Stanford (or SMU, for that matter), comparable to WSU (until you count all the WSU extended campuses). 30,000 seat football stadium. Respectable in hoops. Have a baseball program. Is it lack of TV eyeballs? Lack of national footprint? Not considered UNLV rivals? For me, the Vegas metro population is 4.5 times Larger than Reno's. That helps fix the eyeball problem. Reno is not a horrible drive for 4 or so of our schools (if you don't mind driving all day) but otherwise Vegas is much easier to get to by anyone taking a flight. Vegas is also easier to find a hotel and is a far more popular "tourist" destination than Reno. And with the popularity with, and proximity to, the Southern California crowd there's potentially more of a market cross-over than Reno. Bringing in Southern California fans is huge, and opening up Texas and that region would be HUGE. A lot of people would skip Nevada completely, but of the two I'd think Vegas is really the one to invite.
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Post by seastape on Feb 14, 2023 22:11:23 GMT -8
An "analysis" from the bastion of unbiased sports journalism, Heartland College Sports titled "The Big 12 Thrives While the Pac-12 Nose Dives" ( link) still manages to raise some good questions: - why hasn't George closed any deal? - will attractive evening slots get soaked up by UCLA/USC? - are media companies beating a path to George's house? - why are other conferences appearing to take action and make constructive moves while the Pac-10 is, in the words of the article, "twiddling their thumbs"? My hope is that George is a pleasant surprise at the end of the day, but at the end of today I am left wondering...... Interesting times. Go Beavers! My starting point at this particular time is that I do not have a lot of faith in the leadership of the Pac 12 conference to get it out of the situation we find ourselves in. This includes Kliavkoff as well as the Presidents and Board of the Pac 12 conference. At the same time, the Pac 12 finds itself in a much more difficult position at the present time than any other Power 5 conference at this particular time. To wit: 1) Need anything be said about the Big 10 and the SEC? Their only problem is to figure out how to keep their embarrassment of riches going for the foreseeable future. That includes NIL as well as media rights. 2) The Big 12 had the biggest chunk of itself ripped out by the SEC but since it was the first conference to be so raided in this latest round of conference realignment, they have had the most time to adjust to the blow. They quickly went out and got 4 of the best Group of 5 properties out there, including BYU, which I bet the Pac 12 would have loved to have had a crack at after the LA schools shafted the rest of us. And now, Texas and Oklahoma are poised to give the Big 12 $100 million so they can leave early. 3) The ACC has a similar problem as the Pac 12 in that it's best properties are a threat to leave the conference as soon as their media rights deal is done. But really, it's going to take dissolution for any ACC teams to leave the conference because of the high exit fees. And while their grant of rights deal is weak compared to the SEC--Clemson got $36 million last year--it is a steady income through 2036. If it really becomes too big (too small?) of a problem, the teams can dissolve the conference and seek greener pastures elsewhere. And then there is the beleaguered Pac 12. --Our biggest programs in football and basketball just ditched us. --Those two were crappy flag-bearers in the recent past. UCLA has been a mixed bag (for them) in basketball for the past 30 years and USC has been underperforming (for them) in football since Carroll left. Now they're on the way up just in time to leave. --They also blocked our conference from getting better back when OU and UT gave us a look. Couldn't stand the competition. I'm sure they'll be great in the Big 10. --And they ain't gonna give us $100 million in exit fees on their way out the door. --No, the Pac 12 has the opposite of that scenario: our former commissioner failed to keep track of the money and now the Pac 12 owes $50 million payback for overpayments. Scott also blew a lot of money on over-priced overhead. --The two biggest athletic revenue generators left in the Pac 12, uo and UW, would be gone yesterday if the Big 10 flashed itself at them. Then the next four biggest would bolt to the Big 12. The conference sits atop a knife edge of uncertainty. --The Pac 12 most likely needs more teams to secure a grant of rights deal worth anything, so they are going after SDSU, the best Group of 5 program left in the west, and...SMU? which generates the 6th most football revenue in Texas and would be 10th in the Pac 12, ahead of Colorado and OSU? One team out of Texas? How soon will SMU leave if given the right opportunity even if they do join? --And now the Pac 12 is trying to get a new media rights deal. --The Big 12 and SEC have gobbled up the best deals with Fox and ESPN. The rest are going to get the scraps. Who could do a good job in this scenario? Could anyone get us near the Big 10 or SEC deal? (No). How many people could get us a better deal than what the Big 12 is likely getting? The disadvantages against the Pac 12 are stacked. I can't blame this on Kliavkoff, who walked into a mine field with no idea what was coming down the pike. If he gets us near the roughly $31 million/team/year that the Big 12 is expecting, I'll call him a miracle worker. s%#t, if the Pac 12 survives another ten years I'll be impressed. I wouldn't trade for Kliavkoff's job for anything.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 14, 2023 22:23:31 GMT -8
I did see a reoprt out of another Big 12 podcast (unfortunately most of our info seems to come from amateur social media fans from that region so there's a huge Big 10 slant on most reports) that Tulane has been contacted by the Pac and is trying to play that against a Big 12 offer, which supposedly isn't panning out. I take it with about a cup of salt, rather than a grain, but if there's even a hint of truth in it the Pac probably isn't done with the idea of expanding into more central time zone schools.
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Post by ag87 on Feb 15, 2023 1:46:48 GMT -8
My thoughts: 1)Lubbock is horrible. I helped my niece move there when she started grad school. The athletic facilities are great. I was running a lot then and probably ran 30 miles on the streets and roads around town. It's not the ugliest town in America but it's within shouting distance. 2)When my son was stationed in Hampton Roads, he probably did 25 road trips to different college football venues. He went to Blacksburg and State College twice. He swears VT is awesome. Together we did Winston-Salem. It was ok, but nothing memorable. Maybe comparable to a Utah State home game without the natural scenery. 3) 2009 Vegas Bowl against BYU - I parked in the dirt lot and a few spots away from my car was a 15-passenger extended van. The back window had those little stick figures showing the "family." I took a moment and counted two larger figures and 13 (!) smaller ones plus a dog and a cat. Two guys in BYU gear saw me. They had cans of some beer, could have been Schlitz for all I know. We kibitzed a bit. One of them thought the figurines were probably the husband, 11 children, and three wives. We all got a good laugh out of that.
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Post by orangeblood on Feb 15, 2023 5:36:18 GMT -8
Attended the 2012 game in Provo. Never been particularly a fan of the LDS church. Came away with a different perspective. BYU fans were the most polite, respectful and decent football fans I have ever been around. Perhaps the lack of alcohol at the game contributed to that. Jordan Poyer helped make it a good day all the way around.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 15, 2023 6:38:46 GMT -8
Question - why does no one mention Nevada - Reno as having potential in expansion talks? According to Wikipedia, it is the flagship land grant school in the state (seems to align thematically).. It is rated R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, with a med school. Bigger enrollment than Stanford (or SMU, for that matter), comparable to WSU (until you count all the WSU extended campuses). 30,000 seat football stadium. Respectable in hoops. Have a baseball program. Is it lack of TV eyeballs? Lack of national footprint? Not considered UNLV rivals? For me, the Vegas metro population is 4.5 times Larger than Reno's. That helps fix the eyeball problem. Reno is not a horrible drive for 4 or so of our schools (if you don't mind driving all day) but otherwise Vegas is much easier to get to by anyone taking a flight. Vegas is also easier to find a hotel and is a far more popular "tourist" destination than Reno. And with the popularity with, and proximity to, the Southern California crowd there's potentially more of a market cross-over than Reno. Bringing in Southern California fans is huge, and opening up Texas and that region would be HUGE. A lot of people would skip Nevada completely, but of the two I'd think Vegas is really the one to invite. . It's more like 10X...LV/NLV/Henderson is very concentrated in a small geographic area (relative to a place like SD or Phoenix). They like to lump arson City and Gardnerville and Dayton and Minden with Reno. It's like adding Monroe and Junction City to Eugene. UNRs football stadium is on par with UNLVs old stadium as being one of the worst in college football. Their basketball arena is an awesome bowl. UNR is a beautiful campus, Reno is a beatiful town, but it's not ready for prime time.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 15, 2023 6:49:25 GMT -8
An "analysis" from the bastion of unbiased sports journalism, Heartland College Sports titled "The Big 12 Thrives While the Pac-12 Nose Dives" ( link) still manages to raise some good questions: - why hasn't George closed any deal? - will attractive evening slots get soaked up by UCLA/USC? - are media companies beating a path to George's house? - why are other conferences appearing to take action and make constructive moves while the Pac-10 is, in the words of the article, "twiddling their thumbs"? My hope is that George is a pleasant surprise at the end of the day, but at the end of today I am left wondering...... Interesting times. Go Beavers! The article is written by Derek Duke, who is doing a great job at selling Iowa State, knowing full well that Iowa State is looking down the barrel of the same gun that Oregon State is looking down. Most of the article should be read with a mindset akin to: Why hasn't the Big 12 closed a deal? The Big 12 has closed squat. The Big 12 had a deal and it apparently fell apart. So, what is the Big 12 doing that's constructive? Nothing. Evening slots are now "attractive?" Since when? Literally when did that happen? It's almost like an Iowa State fan has no idea what the hell he is talking about. The Pac-12 needs to work with its media partners to invite the best teams and get the best deal. If it needs to be louder, it will be louder. If it needs to be done with cloaks and daggers, it'll be done with cloaks and daggers. Anyone that reads "Yormark is light years ahead of Kliakoff [sic]" and doesn't immediately hit the back button or laugh out loud........... The dude can't even spell Kliavkoff correctly. Anyone reading the article seriously needs to seek clinical help immediately. The Big 12 is trash. Yormark is trash. George K. is in so deep over his head that he can't see light and yet I have more faith in George K. than I do that Yormack has a clue. Please don't amplify Cyclone propoganda! I'd argue don't believe pac 12 homer Propoganda...but you're not on Derek Dukes level;) and no, OSU is nowhere near Iowa State at this point because they play in a P5 conferenve that actually has a TV contract in place. BTW Canzano is basically saying the same thing as Dukes...just in a more subtle fashion. Dukes is actually spot on. Everything in that report is on point. The Pac 12 is a clown show right now...the public pitch to SMU reeked of desperation. It's so bad that the Pac 12 NEEDS San Diego State to join. At this point the Pac 12 is a step up from the MWC...and a few floors below the Big 12. As that earlier link to TV viewers illustrated, exactly one Pac 12 conference game garnered over 4M viewers last year...and it was the two teams leaving the Pac 12.
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Post by bennyskid on Feb 15, 2023 10:41:52 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 15, 2023 11:03:12 GMT -8
The article is written by Derek Duke, who is doing a great job at selling Iowa State, knowing full well that Iowa State is looking down the barrel of the same gun that Oregon State is looking down. Most of the article should be read with a mindset akin to: Why hasn't the Big 12 closed a deal? The Big 12 has closed squat. The Big 12 had a deal and it apparently fell apart. So, what is the Big 12 doing that's constructive? Nothing. Evening slots are now "attractive?" Since when? Literally when did that happen? It's almost like an Iowa State fan has no idea what the hell he is talking about. The Pac-12 needs to work with its media partners to invite the best teams and get the best deal. If it needs to be louder, it will be louder. If it needs to be done with cloaks and daggers, it'll be done with cloaks and daggers. Anyone that reads "Yormark is light years ahead of Kliakoff [sic]" and doesn't immediately hit the back button or laugh out loud........... The dude can't even spell Kliavkoff correctly. Anyone reading the article seriously needs to seek clinical help immediately. The Big 12 is trash. Yormark is trash. George K. is in so deep over his head that he can't see light and yet I have more faith in George K. than I do that Yormack has a clue. Please don't amplify Cyclone propoganda! I'd argue don't believe pac 12 homer Propoganda...but you're not on Derek Dukes level;) and no, OSU is nowhere near Iowa State at this point because they play in a P5 conferenve that actually has a TV contract in place. BTW Canzano is basically saying the same thing as Dukes...just in a more subtle fashion. Dukes is actually spot on. Everything in that report is on point. The Pac 12 is a clown show right now...the public pitch to SMU reeked of desperation. It's so bad that the Pac 12 NEEDS San Diego State to join. At this point the Pac 12 is a step up from the MWC...and a few floors below the Big 12. As that earlier link to TV viewers illustrated, exactly one Pac 12 conference game garnered over 4M viewers last year...and it was the two teams leaving the Pac 12. We have an existing TV contract in place, just not a new one. We are still in a much better position than the ACC who is locked into their ESPN deal for another 13 years.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 15, 2023 12:19:19 GMT -8
I'd argue don't believe pac 12 homer Propoganda...but you're not on Derek Dukes level;) and no, OSU is nowhere near Iowa State at this point because they play in a P5 conferenve that actually has a TV contract in place. BTW Canzano is basically saying the same thing as Dukes...just in a more subtle fashion. Dukes is actually spot on. Everything in that report is on point. The Pac 12 is a clown show right now...the public pitch to SMU reeked of desperation. It's so bad that the Pac 12 NEEDS San Diego State to join. At this point the Pac 12 is a step up from the MWC...and a few floors below the Big 12. As that earlier link to TV viewers illustrated, exactly one Pac 12 conference game garnered over 4M viewers last year...and it was the two teams leaving the Pac 12. We have an existing TV contract in place, just not a new one. We are still in a much better position than the ACC who is locked into their ESPN deal for another 13 years. That 13 year contract a decade ago was the big killer for the Pac. I guess the ACC gets to share the pain now. I'm much happier that they're looking at 6-7 years or so for the new contract unless they can build in automatic escalators based on future contracts (which I think would be highly unlikely).
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