lefty
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Post by lefty on Jan 16, 2023 11:35:29 GMT -8
I'm not trying to suggest that i can tell Scott how to coach, but my biggest worry is that we are going to loose some of these young ladies like last year. He has the potential to have a very good team. He needs to see where the future is and give them the playing time. Jalena is 6" 9" and that is all she is. Mannion should get about 10 miinutes and I'm a big fan of hers. I will be surprised if we don't loose 4 or 5 of these Freshman girls. AJ, Beers, Gardiner , TVO and Martha should start and Lilly should get at least 10 minutes.
Way way too much dribbling and passing up open shots. We are continously dribbling into the key and stopping. Set screens and then get out of TVO"S way and let her create or pass off. Frustration is settling in on me and I know it is on the team. Blowing a 12, 7 and 9 point 4th Qt leads. Falling behind by over 20 points at home against an average team.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 16, 2023 13:34:42 GMT -8
Beers, Gardiner, and TVO should get big minutes, and they did in both games this weekend. Gardiner will likely take a while to have the conditioning she needs to play 28+ mpg. Jelena barely played this weekend. You can't blame the losses on her 12 minutes, and 9 minutes in those games. Her and Beers are a real nice Post combo. Jelena is needed as Beers and Gardiner aren't going to play 40 minutes a game.
I agree with you on the players who should see the most minutes at their positions (not necessarily who starts). AJ doesn't provide the 3pt shooting Aaron does, and Aaron will be back next season. There is room for both. They go back and forth on who has the better game, so I think you roll with that to some extent.....and I'd love to know that someone was working with AJ on rebounding.
I think Martha should get more minutes than Noelle, although when you look at the stats, Noelle almost always has a solid performance. Realistically, if she averaged the 7-8ish points she's been getting lately, we should be happy with that. The problem is if you have Noelle, who is not a scorer, and Bendu, who is not a scorer, on the court with TVO, who has been in a shooting slump, you don't have anyone to take pressure off the inside scorers. You can't count on Beers having big games if the defense can keep collapsing on her. Someone has to start hitting the 3's. I'm for giving Lily, Adlee, and Martha more playing time if you can work that in. In time, all three of them have an excellent shot at being important contributors on future Beaver seasons.
Will the freshman stick around? Who knows. The Beavs gave playing time to Sasha. She left. They gave time to Greta. She left. They gave time to Kennedy. She left. They gave time to Taylor. She left. It's a lot more than just playing time going into the decision of these players. Beers loves Oregon State. I think she's back, and I think she may be the inspiration for others. We'll see. I know if I were a player not on the Beaver team, I would love to come and play with Raegan, so maybe she'll help with some spring transfers.
I've said this too many times already, this season is much like 2012/2013. Next season will be much more like 2013/2014. That is almost a certainty unless there are major injuries, or lots of transfers out. I think even the young players on this team understand that. It would really help if they could make the NIT and get a few more games of experience, but that will be a tough road to make now. They would need 5-6 more wins, and they are going to need to battle for that.
Is this summer the overseas trip? Pretty sure it's been 4 years. Experience together this summer would really help rolling into next fall as well.
I still believe in a bright future, and a present where you need to enjoy watching some talented youth like Beers and Gardiner learn to play together, because you will get disappointed with the W's and L's along the way.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 16, 2023 13:38:15 GMT -8
The only one I see as leaving so far is Mit. She may still be starting but her minutes are disappearing. Mit is an excellent passer, defender and mid-range shooter so she's not just 6'9". If she leaves we have no back up and no one arriving next year so far. Expecting Beers to go 40 minutes each game?
Lilly and Adlee have come in against better teams and it has been a defensive disaster each time. Playing players who aren't ready doesn't help them develop, they just start doubting themselves and they get worse.
Martha was in for 7 minutes and shot 0/1, one TO, and two fouls. She needs to keep getting minutes but 10 tops until she shows more.
Mannen is getting the minutes because she doesn't mess up often, and provides some offense. But most importantly there just isn't anyone else. In SR's grand scheme of the things he was going to have Sasha, Savannah, and Greta playing in front of Mannen. Didn't work out that way. It wasn't a failure of his recruiting/planning, but of retention. In a better world Mannen would be super sub who held down the fort while the stars were catching a breather. But we don't live in that world, it's one where the stars left and Mannen has to hold down the fort most of the time.
Three good games followed by two bad games. Which is the real team?
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 16, 2023 14:00:17 GMT -8
It's definitely two steps forward, and one or two steps back. This young team is growing, and there is going to be some ugly!! Luckily, we have such great basketball knowledge on this board, SR will see it, take our amazing knowledge, and then this team will never lose.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 16, 2023 14:33:36 GMT -8
At this point in the season, we should play all 11 on this team. Giving most minutes to Raegan, Timea & TvO. After that, split the minutes however, but we shouldn't have any one player getting < 8 minutes.
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lefty
Freshman
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Post by lefty on Jan 16, 2023 15:04:00 GMT -8
MIK is not developing or at least much too slowly. She is not physical enough in her play or body. How many times as she lost the ball off her hands or get a rebound and put it on the floor and lost it. 6'9" and tries to dribble with several defenders around. She just doesn't have the physical skills needed to play. Slow in speed and quickness. Her fouls are mostly from reaching. She really is not intimidating. They shoot short shots over her without any problems I would rather go with 4 guards to give Beers or Gardner (speed and quickness),Mik needs to start beefing up and banging people around like Beers does.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 16, 2023 15:09:31 GMT -8
MIK is not developing or at least much too slowly. She is not physical enough in her play or body. How many times as she lost the ball off her hands or get a rebound and put it on the floor and lost it. 6'9" and tries to dribble with several defenders around. She just doesn't have the physical skills needed to play. Slow in speed and quickness. Her fouls are mostly from reaching. She really is not intimidating. They shoot short shots over her without any problems I would rather go with 4 guards to give Beers or Gardner (speed and quickness),Mik needs to start beefing up and banging people around like Beers does. A summer workout for Mit focused on building upper body strength including her grip strength. And teaching how to position her body to "show" for the ball in the middle (like both Raegan & Timea do so well). She has potential to be a much better post player, but she is going to have to put in the work over the summer. Mit has shown improvement from last year. I hope she stays with the program.
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Post by grayman on Jan 16, 2023 15:38:51 GMT -8
Mit is a good passer and mid-range shooter as beaveragain said. IMO, her defense is a mixed bag. Yes, she can block shots and force a player to take a more off-kilter shot or to back off completely due to her height. But her lack of overall athletic ability is not going away. She is relatively slow and lacks agility. That affects her on both ends of the court and in most aspects of the game. There are a few technique things that she could improve like not bringing the ball down too low after catching a pass or grabbing a rebound, but she is just often too awkward in her movements inside. She is a good role player, nothing more. And she would get fewer minutes on most other teams. As for who should be getting the most minutes, obviously Beers, Gardiner and TVO should. The problem is that second level that is next. Who is really producing? Again, nobody is playing consistent basketball except for probably Mannen, but she is also somewhat limited in how much she can impact a game. Yeaney also plays pretty well in several areas but is not a scorer. Other than those two, who is playing good defense game in and game out? Or even occasionally? Who is the consistent scorer? I have no idea about the two freshmen guards because Rueck does not play them much, but they practice, so I assume the staff does not see enough indication that they are ready. And again, no real point guard to lead the team.
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bmoc
Freshman
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Post by bmoc on Jan 16, 2023 16:15:03 GMT -8
Mit is a good passer and mid-range shooter as beaveragain said. IMO, her defense is a mixed bag. Yes, she can block shots and force a player to take a more off-kilter shot or to back off completely due to her height. But her lack of overall athletic ability is not going away. She is relatively slow and lacks agility. That affects her on both ends of the court and in most aspects of the game. There are a few technique things that she could improve like not bringing the ball down too low after catching a pass or grabbing a rebound, but she is just often too awkward in her movements inside. She is a good role player, nothing more. And she would get fewer minutes on most other teams. I think she's also in there to give us a fighting chance for the opening tip-off
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 16, 2023 21:32:41 GMT -8
I actually think a big part of it is Rueck’s lack effort, or at least wins in the portal. I’m contrast, Tinkle has worked the portal heavily, and may end up with more conference wins with far less top-end talent. Rueck is sitting in 4 scholarships (and no walk-ons), and is perpetually two injuries away from not having 5on5 in practice - it makes no sense to me. As a result, this year’s roster had no choice but to give frosh big minutes, and it was pretty clear that much if this frosh class wasn’t going to be ready for that. If Rueck is keeping extra scholarships around so that he has more minute/player to keep kids from transferring, it’s not working.
Losing 4 experienced (and generally better) players in exchange for a net 2 has come home to roost. That’s the most troubling thing to me-OSU is clearly not a priority destination for players in the portal era. Whatever the reason for that is the root of what needs fixed, IMO.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 16, 2023 21:35:36 GMT -8
Mit is a good passer and mid-range shooter as beaveragain said. IMO, her defense is a mixed bag. Yes, she can block shots and force a player to take a more off-kilter shot or to back off completely due to her height. But her lack of overall athletic ability is not going away. She is relatively slow and lacks agility. That affects her on both ends of the court and in most aspects of the game. There are a few technique things that she could improve like not bringing the ball down too low after catching a pass or grabbing a rebound, but she is just often too awkward in her movements inside. She is a good role player, nothing more. And she would get fewer minutes on most other teams. I think she's also in there to give us a fighting chance for the opening tip-off With alternating possessions, it’s virtually a meaningless event. She starts likely for ego management reasons.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 16, 2023 22:20:47 GMT -8
Rueck's portal recruitment- SR, to my knowledge, has only gone after players that he personally knew from high school recruiting or who someone who he's friends with has recommended to him. I don't think he's ever gone after someone just based off of stats.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 17, 2023 12:12:44 GMT -8
Now that the Beavs are in the midst of yet another point guard drought (mid-January 2023) - but with a huge (but young) upside on the front line, next season could be decent if a perfect (good) storm of events occur (my humble opinion):
a.) Raegan and Timea stick around, and stay healthy b.) TVO stays, and has it 'going on' in her Junior year c.) ditto Marotte. d.) Shuler can contribute 15-20 minutes, both in bringing the ball up the court and in quality passes to front line talent. e.) a combination of Marta and the transfer portal supplies 20-25 acceptable minutes at PG. Mannen (??) f.) Lily Hansford progresses part way toward a Kat Tudor role. g.) Donovyn Hunter can contribute about 12 minutes per game...surpassing this seasons duo of Blacklock and Hansford.
Hopefully Mitrovic will simply be an acceptable backup next season (though a starter at the beginning of any OT, in order to get the opening tip)
It's not impossible...but it's a sign of the state of the program to have to have so many things fall in place just to return to the upper half of PAC-12
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Post by grayman on Jan 17, 2023 12:40:58 GMT -8
Now that the Beavs are in the midst of yet another point guard drought (mid-January 2023) - but with a huge (but young) upside on the front line, next season could be decent if a perfect (good) storm of events occur (my humble opinion): a.) Raegan and Timea stick around, and stay healthy b.) TVO stays, and has it 'going on' in her Junior year c.) ditto Marotte. d.) Shuler can contribute 15-20 minutes, both in bringing the ball up the court and in quality passes to front line talent. e.) a combination of Marta and the transfer portal supplies 20-25 acceptable minutes at PG. Mannen (??) f.) Lily Hansford progresses part way toward a Kat Tudor role. g.) Donovyn Hunter can contribute about 12 minutes per game...surpassing this seasons duo of Blacklock and Hansford. Hopefully Mitrovic will simply be an acceptable backup next season (though a starter at the beginning of any OT, in order to get the opening tip) It's not impossible...but it's a sign of the state of the program to have to have so many things fall in place just to return to the upper half of PAC-12 Really good breakdown. A and B are absolute necessities. Would like to see more out of Marotte but need her back as well. I think D and E are the biggest keys to success aside from getting Beers, Gardiner and TVO back and playing high level hoops. Shuler needs to show early on that she's a legit point guard at this level. But even assuming that she does, I believe Rueck really needs to find another PG in the portal who is a plug and play type. They need PGs with speed/quickness, passing ability (obviously) and the ability to create shots and hit from the perimeter. And they can't be defensive liabilities. Pietsch and Mannen should be providing depth at the position. Speaking of the portal, it really would be a plus if Rueck landed another big to round out depth on the front line. An injury would be a major issue right now. F and G would be nice but more of icing on the cake than high level needs.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 17, 2023 12:52:47 GMT -8
I actually think a big part of it is Rueck’s lack effort, or at least wins in the portal. I’m contrast, Tinkle has worked the portal heavily, and may end up with more conference wins with far less top-end talent. Rueck is sitting in 4 scholarships (and no walk-ons), and is perpetually two injuries away from not having 5on5 in practice - it makes no sense to me. As a result, this year’s roster had no choice but to give frosh big minutes, and it was pretty clear that much if this frosh class wasn’t going to be ready for that. If Rueck is keeping extra scholarships around so that he has more minute/player to keep kids from transferring, it’s not working. 4 experienced (and generally better) players in exchange for a net 2 has come home to roost. That’s the most troubling thing to me-OSU is clearly not a priority destination for players in the portal era. Whatever the reason for that is the root of what needs fixed, IMO. Probably the players whom we were really counting from last portal but lost were point guard from BYU, Gonzales that went to Texas and the 6/4 girl who her senior year in Washington went at the last minute to California. Forget her name but instead didn’t think much of us for the portal and went back home to university of Washington. If Rueck got those two to OSU LAST SPRING we wouldn’t be in this predicament now. We wouldn’t be talking about Mannen versus anybody else and we would have had good depth at the 4. It really took its toll on us when Gardiner couldnt play from the get go this year. That not having experienced 4 postponed our progress. This then takes us back to who we lost last year that were undergrads or transfers. We were decimated by our losing who were bigs.. Rueck had two choices before this season began. Fix the fire in some way. Either that 6/4 girl that left Cal or beg one or two big kids to stay. My easiest choice would have been Corsdale. She didn’t need to go anywhere? That’s why Reese stayed with Arizona an extra year because she saw a clear need at Arizona after Ware got hurt. losing Ellle Tara Taylor and Brown. That was a huge loss. Personally I thought it was embarrassing also.
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