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Dec 3, 2022 19:46:50 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 3, 2022 19:46:50 GMT -8
If I were Velling I would be doing sprint, quickenedd and vertical jump work the next 2 summers. Those measurables (most of the combine tests Musgrave was really good on) are going to pay Musgrave bigtime assuming he can still pass a physical.
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Post by irimi on Dec 3, 2022 21:12:23 GMT -8
Champ had it when it came to going after anything thrown in his area. Now I have to look up how he's done He had a decent year. 400 yards I think. But would he have played here? Not sure. Loved his spirit. |
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 3, 2022 22:52:21 GMT -8
Sure, but how much better do they look with better qb play? I don’t think Smith was CFP good but the receivers on that 2000 team made him look a lot better than he was. And yes, I know there wasn’t a CFP in 2000. How much better would our QBs look if our receivers played better? I think we have fairly average skills players except at running back where we have been blessed. But I think that is right in line with a truly crappy team in its rebuild years. From here on out, we should be able to attract better players and even a superstar or two. Not much, IMO. I watched every team multiple times, and our QBs were the least accurate on a regular basis that I saw. For all of his inconsistency, Harrison made a ridiculous catch and run on a ball in the ear hole of the Stanford defender to win on the Farm. I remember thinking after the last of numerous worm-burner throws by Ben when he was rolling away from pressure that he just can’t make a good throw on the move very often. Not even close a lot of times. Every other good team had a guy who seemed to consistently complete those throws under duress. Deep balls are also a problem. Over or underthrown most of the time. As was stated by others here, receivers often didn’t help on rare occasions when a deep ball was thrown well. I guarantee that guys like Gould and Bolden can thrive in this league as long as our QBs can deliver the ball decently and on time. Gould made a great play on a risky throw into triple coverage (good throw, questionable judgement), and Bolden did the same on probably Ben’s best throw of the year for TDs. The best deep ball connection of the year was probably the 4th down throw from Coletto to Gould. Great pitch and catch! The other thing about those two returning receivers is they will be two of the best return men in the league. Suggesting that both of them are not good Pac 12 receivers is a stretch. The reason they didn’t catch more balls was 1) Harrison and Lindsey were the experienced and proven WRs, and 2) we had such poor QB play and rightly went run- heavy to take advantage of our strengths. |
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Dec 4, 2022 9:17:19 GMT -8
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Post by jimbeav on Dec 4, 2022 9:17:19 GMT -8
How much better would our QBs look if our receivers played better? I think we have fairly average skills players except at running back where we have been blessed. But I think that is right in line with a truly crappy team in its rebuild years. From here on out, we should be able to attract better players and even a superstar or two. Not much, IMO. I watched every team multiple times, and our QBs were the least accurate on a regular basis that I saw. For all of his inconsistency, Harrison made a ridiculous catch and run on a ball in the ear hole of the Stanford defender to win on the Farm. I remember thinking after the last of numerous worm-burner throws by Ben when he was rolling away from pressure that he just can’t make a good throw on the move very often. Not even close a lot of times. Every other good team had a guy who seemed to consistently complete those throws under duress. Deep balls are also a problem. Over or underthrown most of the time. As was stated by others here, receivers often didn’t help on rare occasions when a deep ball was thrown well. I guarantee that guys like Gould and Bolden can thrive in this league as long as our QBs can deliver the ball decently and on time. Gould made a great play on a risky throw into triple coverage (good throw, questionable judgement), and Bolden did the same on probably Ben’s best throw of the year for TDs. The best deep ball connection of the year was probably the 4th down throw from Coletto to Gould. Great pitch and catch! The other thing about those two returning receivers is they will be two of the best return men in the league. Suggesting that both of them are not good Pac 12 receivers is a stretch. The reason they didn’t catch more balls was 1) Harrison and Lindsey were the experienced and proven WRs, and 2) we had such poor QB play and rightly went run- heavy to take advantage of our strengths. Good take. After all the hand-wringing over Nolan's deep ball accuracy (which did improve a bit this year), I was disappointed to see that Ben's accuracy on long bombs was even more abysmal. Other than the one fantastic catch on the corner route in the endzone (which I'm not sure falls into the 'long bomb' category), I don't remember any that were even close. The image of a WR running full speed at a ball that was 5-10 yards out of reach became a common sight every time we tried a long pass play with Gulbranson. And you're right, Colletto's pass was a reminder of what we should be seeing at least _some_ of the time on those throws. But Ben never even had one such play like that. |
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Dec 4, 2022 9:38:14 GMT -8
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2022 9:38:14 GMT -8
Champ had it when it came to going after anything thrown in his area. Now I have to look up how he's done Love Champ but not even in same league as Bolden and Gould |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 4, 2022 21:27:01 GMT -8
Not much, IMO. I watched every team multiple times, and our QBs were the least accurate on a regular basis that I saw. For all of his inconsistency, Harrison made a ridiculous catch and run on a ball in the ear hole of the Stanford defender to win on the Farm. I remember thinking after the last of numerous worm-burner throws by Ben when he was rolling away from pressure that he just can’t make a good throw on the move very often. Not even close a lot of times. Every other good team had a guy who seemed to consistently complete those throws under duress. Deep balls are also a problem. Over or underthrown most of the time. As was stated by others here, receivers often didn’t help on rare occasions when a deep ball was thrown well. I guarantee that guys like Gould and Bolden can thrive in this league as long as our QBs can deliver the ball decently and on time. Gould made a great play on a risky throw into triple coverage (good throw, questionable judgement), and Bolden did the same on probably Ben’s best throw of the year for TDs. The best deep ball connection of the year was probably the 4th down throw from Coletto to Gould. Great pitch and catch! The other thing about those two returning receivers is they will be two of the best return men in the league. Suggesting that both of them are not good Pac 12 receivers is a stretch. The reason they didn’t catch more balls was 1) Harrison and Lindsey were the experienced and proven WRs, and 2) we had such poor QB play and rightly went run- heavy to take advantage of our strengths. Good take. After all the hand-wringing over Nolan's deep ball accuracy (which did improve a bit this year), I was disappointed to see that Ben's accuracy on long bombs was even more abysmal. Other than the one fantastic catch on the corner route in the endzone (which I'm not sure falls into the 'long bomb' category), I don't remember any that were even close. The image of a WR running full speed at a ball that was 5-10 yards out of reach became a common sight every time we tried a long pass play with Gulbranson. And you're right, Colletto's pass was a reminder of what we should be seeing at least _some_ of the time on those throws. But Ben never even had one such play like that. Ben Gulbranson @ Arizona State, a place that Oregon State had only one once int he past 40 years: 15/21 for 188 yards and a touchdown and nine carries for 36 yards and a second touchdown. 30 touches for 224 yards and two touchdowns. No garbage ducks. No knuckleballs that the WRs had to stare in the whole way or drop. BG put Arizona State to death by a 1,000 cuts. Beautiful to watch. I was just chatting up an Arizona State fan today. He only went to one game all year, and it was that one. And he was so down about the whole thing, how clinical and inevitable Oregon State's offense was in that game. It did not seem like Arizona State could do anything to stop BG and the offense. Chance's balls were wild. He could get passes in every once in awhile, but even his flares and short outs got there ugly. No thanks. Thanks for helping turning the program around, Chance! But we are turning a corner, not looking back. |
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Post by EOBeav on Dec 6, 2022 7:14:48 GMT -8
Just thinking about the Luton to Isaiah years reminds me what a big arm and a tall, rangy WR can do for an offense.
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Dec 6, 2022 12:56:05 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 6, 2022 12:56:05 GMT -8
Just thinking about the Luton to Isaiah years reminds me what a big arm and a tall, rangy WR can do for an offense. I am hoping that that is Makiya Tongue next year. He needs to improve, but I still expect big things from him. |
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