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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 2, 2022 9:01:10 GMT -8
BG's ceiling is higher. If it's a close call now, BG is going to be way ahead by the end of Fall Camp 2023. CN's skills would flourish in a different system or at a different level of competition. They do not translate against USC and Utah. The safeties are able to creep up too close to the line. BG’s ceiling is so high they wouldn’t let him pass the last 20 minutes of the game Saturday so he could save it up for next year. I don’t get this ceiling talk. I think BG takes better care of the ball. I think he’s a good QB. I’m not sure he can stretch the field completing an occasional 30 yard plus well thrown ball. I think the coaches had two different game plans with the two different QBs. Eliminate his last 5 quarters and Nolan has had a fairly decent career here, focus on BG’s last 4 quarters and you have a QB with a 46% completion rate that throws infinitely more ints than TDs. Going off the last few quarters of play is fair to neither of those kids.
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Post by irimi on Dec 2, 2022 9:13:05 GMT -8
We know so little about coaching decisions that it is unfair to Nolan and unbecoming as a fan to speculate that his departure is because he lost the starting job. Wish him well and let him go. He was a major part of the Beavers’ rebuild and the reason we are where we are today.
Go get ‘em, Chance!
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Post by bvrbred on Dec 2, 2022 9:18:45 GMT -8
The idea that the QB group is going to go three-deep with starting level talent is nonsense. It's good if you have two guys you can rely on and another couple that you hope will develop. Well, Oregon's third string guy throws the football better than anyone who saw the field for us this past year. I realize we're not the recruiting machine they are but we have to do better if we expect to stay at our current level. Our QB play has been good enough to get us 9 wins to date. The team has been carried by an excellent running game and an outstanding defense. That's not something we will be able to count on year in and year out.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 2, 2022 9:36:42 GMT -8
Let's not forget BG is 6-1 as a starter...so maybe he isn't as flashy as others... but 6-1 is 6-1 Yeaaaaa, but we were kinda 6-1 in spite of him, not really because of him.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2022 9:50:59 GMT -8
Let's not forget BG is 6-1 as a starter...so maybe he isn't as flashy as others... but 6-1 is 6-1 Yeaaaaa, but we were kinda 6-1 in spite of him, not really because of him. So, you're sure a different QB would have the ball in the exact spot against Stanford for Harrison to catch it and run for the TD?.....I'm not.
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Post by 93beav on Dec 2, 2022 10:00:18 GMT -8
Let's not forget BG is 6-1 as a starter...so maybe he isn't as flashy as others... but 6-1 is 6-1 Yeaaaaa, but we were kinda 6-1 in spite of him, not really because of him. I think some games, or parts of games, that may be true...but definitely not every game. Were the CAL or ASU wins despite him?
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Post by 93beav on Dec 2, 2022 10:01:04 GMT -8
He could be looking for a NIL payout from a middle of the road school looking for immediate QB help. It may not be huge, but 50-100k to a college kid can really help. Everyone says it is between Chiles, Ben, and possibly a transfer to compete for starting QB next year. I think Chiles is a long shot. What about Throckmorton, I honestly haven't seen him play at all, could he be in the mix. We probably need to get some receivers too in the portal, but until we get a QB that may be difficult. Everyone says? Maybe everyone except Coach Smith, who has said it’s wide open next year. And I think you’re nuts if you believe someone is going to give a turnover prone, semi-inaccurate Qb $50-100 large! If the top QBs are getting 7 figure deals, I don't think $50K is too large for someone who, if you were pretty sure you could stabilize him from the jitters, would really help a team.
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Post by whocares on Dec 2, 2022 10:02:12 GMT -8
Yeaaaaa, but we were kinda 6-1 in spite of him, not really because of him. So, you're sure a different QB would have the ball in the exact spot against Stanford for Harrison to catch it and run for the TD?.....I'm not. And you're sure a different quarterback wouldn't have had the Beavs up by 14 at that point? I'm not.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2022 10:04:09 GMT -8
So, you're sure a different QB would have the ball in the exact spot against Stanford for Harrison to catch it and run for the TD?.....I'm not. And you're sure a different quarterback wouldn't have had the Beavs up by 14 at that point? I'm not. Exactly. We are 6-1 with him......who knows what we would have been without him. That's exactly why hindsight speculation is pointless.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 2, 2022 10:24:31 GMT -8
Everyone says? Maybe everyone except Coach Smith, who has said it’s wide open next year. And I think you’re nuts if you believe someone is going to give a turnover prone, semi-inaccurate Qb $50-100 large! If the top QBs are getting 7 figure deals, I don't think $50K is too large for someone who, if you were pretty sure you could stabilize him from the jitters, would really help a team. If that's true, and it might be I guess, this "game" is wack.
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Post by 93beav on Dec 2, 2022 10:48:32 GMT -8
If the top QBs are getting 7 figure deals, I don't think $50K is too large for someone who, if you were pretty sure you could stabilize him from the jitters, would really help a team. If that's true, and it might be I guess, this "game" is wack. www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/highest-paid-college-athletes-in-the-nil-eraSo $2-$3 million for a really good QB. And I read another article claiming that a Florida booster was going to pay $9 million in NIL to a QB. It always amuses me when everyone says "Coach just needs to go grab a QB from the transfer portal"...uh....sure....as long as you have at least $2 million to go with that. This is why many of us have been saying - no drafts, no salary caps, no limitations of any type equals the death, or at least the sickness, of college football, especially for small market teams.
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Post by beaverdude on Dec 2, 2022 10:57:07 GMT -8
It always amuses me when everyone says "Coach just needs to go grab a QB from the transfer portal"...uh....sure....as long as you have at least $2 million to go with that. This is why many of us have been saying - no drafts, no salary caps, no limitations of any type equals the death, or at least the sickness, of college football, especially for small market teams. Or those same small market teams have to do a good job recruiting players that want to play there. The NIL money isn't infinite and there's no guarantee that buying a QB in the transfer portal will turn a team around. Small market teams can use culture as a recruiting weapon and show that the athletes will get the same exposure to jumpstart their professional careers. Why would I commit to a school knowing that they have a history of using the transfer portal to upgrade players rather than develop me?
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 2, 2022 11:08:12 GMT -8
That sucks. I was hoping he could come back healthy and thought he might be the leader in the locker room to start next year. If he could just clean up the TOs, he was the more dynamic quarterback. Our offense was better with him, despite the squinting and happy feet in the pocket. He could sling the ball, just needed to be more consistent. I think they definitely have to hit the transfer portal now. Chiles may be the future, but throwing him to the wolves next year wouldn't be the best idea. If he could get a year under his belt watching a seasoned transfer QB he can hit the ground running in 2024. Marginally though. Excluding Utah, a game each player split, Against FBS competition, OSU offense average just under 20 yards per game more, nearly all attributed to Nolan running, which Gulbranson doesn't really do. However, in the same FBS game analysis (excluding Montana State in other words, which was massive statistical outlier performance against a lower division school) Chance's lead beavers scored 27.6 points in his starts while Gulbranson score 31.6. Neither, however, really put the offense on their shoulders. Chance and Ben combined for 15 TDs through the air. while we put in 33 TDs on the ground. Chance had 1 rushing TD, Bulbranson had 4. Point is, Chance had ever opportunity to take this team over and progress with it, as I noted before not only did he not progress, he appeared to regress. His 2021 performance was generally better than what he was showing so far in 2022.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 2, 2022 11:12:34 GMT -8
Quitter. We make it so easy now days for kids to quit. That’s all I have to say. For far too long we have put up with those that would make others suffer simply because at one time they had suffered.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 2, 2022 11:14:28 GMT -8
If that's true, and it might be I guess, this "game" is wack. www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/highest-paid-college-athletes-in-the-nil-eraSo $2-$3 million for a really good QB. And I read another article claiming that a Florida booster was going to pay $9 million in NIL to a QB. It always amuses me when everyone says "Coach just needs to go grab a QB from the transfer portal"...uh....sure....as long as you have at least $2 million to go with that. This is why many of us have been saying - no drafts, no salary caps, no limitations of any type equals the death, or at least the sickness, of college football, especially for small market teams. I get the feeling (or at least hope) in a couple of years there's going to be several multi-millionaires who feel they were "burned" by players they gave NIL money to. I figure the most enthusiastic guys are throwing around their money right now, it might settle down over time.
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