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Post by ag87 on Dec 20, 2022 13:15:44 GMT -8
Great game. For me, it was kind of like watching a New Mexico State-Utah State FB game. With the US and England out, I didn't have a dog in the hunt, so I had to manufacture reasons to cheer for one side or the other.
France was our ally and we would not have won the Revolutionary War without her help. Argentina harbored Nazi war criminals.
So, boo! Quasi-War? France captured or sank 6% of the American commercial fleet in the 1790s. Then, the XYZ Affair, until Napoleon became First Consul and negotiated his way out of it. Argentina was not a country during the Revolutionary War, but based their first Constitution on the United States Constitution. They have amended it several times since, but it basically started as an almost exact copy of the American Constitution in 1853. France used the Civil War as cover to invade Mexico, in part, to trade with the Confederacy, which they did until the Union Army reestablished control of Texas after after the Union Army entered Austin on June 25, 1865. They supplied the Confederacy with cannons and attacked Union troops in Texas. Prince Camille Armand Jules Marie de Polignac (his grandmother was one of Marie Antoinette's best friends and his cousins still rule Monaco), Prince of the Second Empire was a General in the Confederate army. I am not aware of any Argentines participating. After the Civil War, Argentina, like the United States, was a huge trading partner of the United Kingdom. However, most of the military of Argentina were trained by Germany and Italy. Argentina stayed neutral in World War I, in order to continue supplying products to the United Kingdom, during the War. (The Germans subjected all nations they deemed belligerents to unrestricted submarine warfare.) In World War II, Argentina was in negotiations with the United Kingdom and then the United States to enter the War on the Allied side before their military staged a coup to overthrow a fraudulently-elected pro-American President. Argentina set up an Italian-style fascist government, which Juan Peron ended up taking over the following year from prison after he had tried to liberalize the government. Peron ruled until 1955, his popularity wavering with the death of his wife, Evita, in 1952. The military then staged a coup to replace Peron. Because of Argentina's fascist government at the time, a lot of the German and Italian ratlines ran to Argentina. Several Germans and Italians emigrated to Argentina. But Argentina moved closer to the Untied States after Peron was deposed, joining the OAS. In the same time period, with the election of the insufferable Charles de Gaulle, France moved away from the United States. Unlike Argentina, Vichy France worked with the Nazis. Vichy French soldiers killed my granduncle during the Liberation of Algiers in 1942. History, as they say, is messy. Argentina is currently a larger trading partner than France. I was rooting for Argentina and am happy for Messi. I lived in Puebla Mexico for about six months. That is the location where a smaller less equipped Mexican garrison defeated the French (temporarily) on May 5, 1862. Cinco de Mayo!! It's a minor day in Mexico and Puebla but a bigger deal in the USA. Mexico's Independence Day is September 16. That day is a big deal, like July 4th here. Puebla is a nice city. More Volkswagens are made there than in any location outside of Germany. The grounds around the Battle of Puebla site are nice. The city's soccer stadium is there along with parks, museums and a teleferico (aerial tram). |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2022 14:07:21 GMT -8
Quasi-War? France captured or sank 6% of the American commercial fleet in the 1790s. Then, the XYZ Affair, until Napoleon became First Consul and negotiated his way out of it. Argentina was not a country during the Revolutionary War, but based their first Constitution on the United States Constitution. They have amended it several times since, but it basically started as an almost exact copy of the American Constitution in 1853. France used the Civil War as cover to invade Mexico, in part, to trade with the Confederacy, which they did until the Union Army reestablished control of Texas after after the Union Army entered Austin on June 25, 1865. They supplied the Confederacy with cannons and attacked Union troops in Texas. Prince Camille Armand Jules Marie de Polignac (his grandmother was one of Marie Antoinette's best friends and his cousins still rule Monaco), Prince of the Second Empire was a General in the Confederate army. I am not aware of any Argentines participating. After the Civil War, Argentina, like the United States, was a huge trading partner of the United Kingdom. However, most of the military of Argentina were trained by Germany and Italy. Argentina stayed neutral in World War I, in order to continue supplying products to the United Kingdom, during the War. (The Germans subjected all nations they deemed belligerents to unrestricted submarine warfare.) In World War II, Argentina was in negotiations with the United Kingdom and then the United States to enter the War on the Allied side before their military staged a coup to overthrow a fraudulently-elected pro-American President. Argentina set up an Italian-style fascist government, which Juan Peron ended up taking over the following year from prison after he had tried to liberalize the government. Peron ruled until 1955, his popularity wavering with the death of his wife, Evita, in 1952. The military then staged a coup to replace Peron. Because of Argentina's fascist government at the time, a lot of the German and Italian ratlines ran to Argentina. Several Germans and Italians emigrated to Argentina. But Argentina moved closer to the Untied States after Peron was deposed, joining the OAS. In the same time period, with the election of the insufferable Charles de Gaulle, France moved away from the United States. Unlike Argentina, Vichy France worked with the Nazis. Vichy French soldiers killed my granduncle during the Liberation of Algiers in 1942. History, as they say, is messy. Argentina is currently a larger trading partner than France. I was rooting for Argentina and am happy for Messi. I lived in Puebla Mexico for about six months. That is the location where a smaller less equipped Mexican garrison defeated the French (temporarily) on May 5, 1862. Cinco de Mayo!! It's a minor day in Mexico and Puebla but a bigger deal in the USA. Mexico's Independence Day is September 16. That day is a big deal, like July 4th here. Puebla is a nice city. More Volkswagens are made there than in any location outside of Germany. The grounds around the Battle of Puebla site are nice. The city's soccer stadium is there along with parks, museums and a teleferico (aerial tram). I have always said that if we all took a day off for each time a country celebrated defeating France, we would all never work. Puebla de Zaragoza is interesting. The United States took Puebla de Zaragoza in 1847 after the Battle of Cerro Gordo, when Robert E. Lee helped flank a superior Mexican force at a pass. That is also the battle the the Fourth Illinois captured two of Santa Anna's prosthetic legs, taking them back to Illinois. Shortly before the fall of Mexico City, Colonel Thomas Childs, the military governor of Puebla de Zaragoza, bravely held Puebla de Zaragoza with 400 men against a force of 4,000 for 28 days. Santa Anna showed up with an additional 2,000 men and attacked multiple times for 10 days before turning to face Joseph Lane's (Lane County's namesake) 2,700-man relief force. Lane subsequently won the Battle of Huamantla and was able to lift the siege. The Battle of Huamantla was General Antonio López de Santa Anna's last. He resigned afterwards and was exiled to Jamaica and then Colombia before returning for one last time to serve as President of Mexico for two years in the 1850s. The Mexicans defeated the French at Puebla de Zaragoza, the second-largest city in Mexico, during the French Invasion of Mexico in 1862. The French returned a little more than 10 months later and were successful in an almost nine-week siege. The French were able to capture Mexico City a little more than three weeks after that and were able to rule the country through Emperor Maximillian for almost four years before they were defeated by a joint force of Mexicans and Americans. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2022 22:31:09 GMT -8
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