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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 16, 2022 10:09:41 GMT -8
I didn’t see the game, so no comments about it. But one thing is really depressing me this season and it has nothing to do with the players or this team. In fact, I like what I’ve seen of them so far. They seem to play hard and as a team, and there is talent there on which to build. Easy to cherr for them.
What depresses me are the fans on here and Twitter saying things like we’ve already matched the win total from last year and we would have lost to Bushnell last year, but we beat them this year — as if these are great accomplishments. The bar for Oregon State basketball should not be 3 or 4 wins or beating an NAIA team. And that it seems to be is depressing.
Hell yes we should celebrate that the team is 3-0 and has shown some good signs for hopefully this year and the future. But can we stop with the yeah we’ve equaled last year’s win total or when the team gets a 4th win, yeah they’ve beat last year’s win total? I already know the answer and am pretty sure we’ll see posts if the team gets 6 wins, yeah we’ve doubled last season. And if the team doesn’t finish last in conference, there will be people considering it a great accomplishment that we beat the media guesses — even if we finish 11th. Last year is finished — thankfully. The only thought I want to give it is if WT can’t get the team moving in the right direction this year and next (right or wrong I think he’ll be coach for 2 more seasons), then it is exhibit A as to why he should be gone. But if he can get the Beavs back to where they are competitive in Pac 12 — and I hope he can not cuz I’m a WT fan but because I’m an OSU Beaver fan — then last year is just an unfortunate debacle we all had to live through.
OK, pushing my soap box into the corner. Go Beavs. Let’s get to 4-0.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 16, 2022 10:28:25 GMT -8
I didn’t see the game, so no comments about it. But one thing is really depressing me this season and it has nothing to do with the players or this team. In fact, I like what I’ve seen of them so far. They seem to play hard and as a team, and there is talent there on which to build. Easy to cherr for them. What depresses me are the fans on here and Twitter saying things like we’ve already matched the win total from last year and we would have lost to Bushnell last year, but we beat them this year — as if these are great accomplishments. The bar for Oregon State basketball should not be 3 or 4 wins or beating an NAIA team. And that it seems to be is depressing. Hell yes we should celebrate that the team is 3-0 and has shown some good signs for hopefully this year and the future. But can we stop with the yeah we’ve equaled last year’s win total or when the team gets a 4th win, yeah they’ve beat last year’s win total? I already know the answer and am pretty sure we’ll see posts if the team gets 6 wins, yeah we’ve doubled last season. And if the team doesn’t finish last in conference, there will be people considering it a great accomplishment that we beat the media guesses — even if we finish 11th. Last year is finished — thankfully. The only thought I want to give it is if WT can’t get the team moving in the right direction this year and next (right or wrong I think he’ll be coach for 2 more seasons), then it is exhibit A as to why he should be gone. But if he can get the Beavs back to where they are competitive in Pac 12 — and I hope he can not cuz I’m a WT fan but because I’m an OSU Beaver fan — then last year is just an unfortunate debacle we all had to live through. OK, pushing my soap box into the corner. Go Beavs. Let’s get to 4-0. Is there room on your soapbox for a fellow poster? :-) It *IS* depressing that we sunk so low last season that we're even making these sorts of observations ("equalled our win total", or "beat an NAIA team that we would have lost to last season"). And I wish I could offer some insightful analysis of HOW we sunk so how, or how a team only a season removed from the stratospheric heights of the Elite 8 could plummet like we did......but I honestly checked out and quit watching. But I don't want to check out and quit watching, and I want to get back to the heady days where we were an upper echelon Pac-12 team. But given where the team is starting from, I just want a team that wins games it should, plays hard, plays as a team, plays recognizable basketball infused with fundamentals and good coaching. And I am hopeful that this team has some of that. And as every journey begins with a small step, the fact that we did equal our win total, we did beat a team we should - these are steps we should celebrate. And not be depressed about. Indeed - let's get to 4-0!!! Go Beavers!
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Post by william44 on Nov 16, 2022 12:11:27 GMT -8
I think they will get better. Execution was good until the last 3 or 4 minutes.We May miss a player like Lucas. I like the guard play. A few scoring options can get down floor. Some post up play. Spotty but good defense. I think this team will be a good team soon. Lots of players. Unselfish and mesh well.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 16, 2022 12:14:53 GMT -8
IMO, that's the wrong way to look at it beaverinohio and @2ndgenbeaver That is, last year's roster had way more experience and verified talent than this year's roster. So each milestone reached represents am movement forward, incremental success against a backdrop of a standard set both by last year's team and the media for this year. Celebrating matching last year's win total doesn't mean that anybody thinks that's a great accomplishment; it's celebrating successes along the way, including signs that whatever ailed last year's team is out of the room. BTW, the Elite 8 team also did not start 3-0. In fact, it took them to mid-Dec to get their 3rd win. Does that make it less depressing to celebrate getting to 3 wins?
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Post by qbeaver on Nov 16, 2022 12:24:34 GMT -8
I didn’t see the game, so no comments about it. But one thing is really depressing me this season and it has nothing to do with the players or this team. In fact, I like what I’ve seen of them so far. They seem to play hard and as a team, and there is talent there on which to build. Easy to cherr for them. What depresses me are the fans on here and Twitter saying things like we’ve already matched the win total from last year and we would have lost to Bushnell last year, but we beat them this year — as if these are great accomplishments. The bar for Oregon State basketball should not be 3 or 4 wins or beating an NAIA team. And that it seems to be is depressing. Hell yes we should celebrate that the team is 3-0 and has shown some good signs for hopefully this year and the future. But can we stop with the yeah we’ve equaled last year’s win total or when the team gets a 4th win, yeah they’ve beat last year’s win total? I already know the answer and am pretty sure we’ll see posts if the team gets 6 wins, yeah we’ve doubled last season. And if the team doesn’t finish last in conference, there will be people considering it a great accomplishment that we beat the media guesses — even if we finish 11th. Last year is finished — thankfully. The only thought I want to give it is if WT can’t get the team moving in the right direction this year and next (right or wrong I think he’ll be coach for 2 more seasons), then it is exhibit A as to why he should be gone. But if he can get the Beavs back to where they are competitive in Pac 12 — and I hope he can not cuz I’m a WT fan but because I’m an OSU Beaver fan — then last year is just an unfortunate debacle we all had to live through. OK, pushing my soap box into the corner. Go Beavs. Let’s get to 4-0. Great accomplishment??? Far from it. Last year was a joke. 3 wins is abysmal. That being said,going from 3 wins to the 11-14 is progress. Especially if we can keep Pope,Rataj,and Bilodeau and build with them as a base. This team is a completely different team...literally. Fortunes can change quickly in this day and age...for the good,and as we have seen for the bad with the transfer portal. I just want to see progress as the season goes on and I think the wins will come...especially if we are very solid defensively.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 16, 2022 12:39:42 GMT -8
Here's the thinks I liked seeing last night:
Andela has what looks like an unstoppable right hook aside of ~8'. If he can get to his spots (and he's physically strong enough to do that against most Pac-12 competition), he's money. He's shooting almost 70% from the field so far, and not far from averaging a double-double -- coming off the bench!
Pope looks like a legitimate PG at this level. He's averaging 16/5/4.3 - if he can keep anything near that production throughout the season, that's a tremendous freshman season. Also, his A/TO ratio is currently 2.5 - again really good.
Taylor is able to move to a role that better suits him. He ended up having to do a lot of the playmaking last year in terms of making things happen overall, as we really had nobody else that could play that role to replace Thompson (despite players in the named position to do that). Now other players are setting things up more for him to get into position to score; I hope we see a leap forward for him this year.
Ryuny looks like the type of European player that we'd often see kill OSU. Good size with a lot of polished skills on offense, and an able defender.
Defense in general is a bunch of guys trying hard and willing and able to be physical. They had some issues with communication, rotation and switching assignments, but they look like they want to defend well, and have the physical ability to actually do it. Thought that would be a hallmark of last year's team, and it didn't play out; maybe it can this year. When players like Andela, Rataj, Bilodeau and Akanno are on the floor, we just LOOK like a team that won't get pushed around. We will see, but the potential seems to be there. This team will definitely have nights where they will struggle to score, so I believe they will need to be very good defensively to be competitive in conference. Great to see that they appear to be interested in becoming a good defensive team.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 16, 2022 12:55:02 GMT -8
IMO, that's the wrong way to look at it beaverinohio and @2ndgenbeaver That is, last year's roster had way more experience and verified talent than this year's roster. So each milestone reached represents am movement forward, incremental success against a backdrop of a standard set both by last year's team and the media for this year. Celebrating matching last year's win total doesn't mean that anybody thinks that's a great accomplishment; it's celebrating successes along the way, including signs that whatever ailed last year's team is out of the room. BTW, the Elite 8 team also did not start 3-0. In fact, it took them to mid-Dec to get their 3rd win. Does that make it less depressing to celebrate getting to 3 wins? I agree we should celebrate each victory, but not in the context of “oh, look, we’ve won as many games as last year.” This is a completely different team from last year. Celebrate its real accomplishments. Beating last year’s win total of three wins is not something to be celebrated except for the fact that it means this year’s team has gotten another win. To me, comparing this team to last year’s even in a positive way does it a disservice (and is depressing), just as not giving this team a chance because last year’s team sucked is a disservice to it.
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Post by irimi on Nov 16, 2022 13:01:12 GMT -8
I didn’t see the game, so no comments about it. But one thing is really depressing me this season and it has nothing to do with the players or this team. In fact, I like what I’ve seen of them so far. They seem to play hard and as a team, and there is talent there on which to build. Easy to cherr for them. What depresses me are the fans on here and Twitter saying things like we’ve already matched the win total from last year and we would have lost to Bushnell last year, but we beat them this year — as if these are great accomplishments. The bar for Oregon State basketball should not be 3 or 4 wins or beating an NAIA team. And that it seems to be is depressing. Hell yes we should celebrate that the team is 3-0 and has shown some good signs for hopefully this year and the future. But can we stop with the yeah we’ve equaled last year’s win total or when the team gets a 4th win, yeah they’ve beat last year’s win total? I already know the answer and am pretty sure we’ll see posts if the team gets 6 wins, yeah we’ve doubled last season. And if the team doesn’t finish last in conference, there will be people considering it a great accomplishment that we beat the media guesses — even if we finish 11th. Last year is finished — thankfully. The only thought I want to give it is if WT can’t get the team moving in the right direction this year and next (right or wrong I think he’ll be coach for 2 more seasons), then it is exhibit A as to why he should be gone. But if he can get the Beavs back to where they are competitive in Pac 12 — and I hope he can not cuz I’m a WT fan but because I’m an OSU Beaver fan — then last year is just an unfortunate debacle we all had to live through. OK, pushing my soap box into the corner. Go Beavs. Let’s get to 4-0. I suspect that a lot of those “celebrating” matching our total wins from last year are doing so tongue in cheek. It is also nice to be able to put that cursed season behind us. And going 3-0, even with the weaker opponents, is just about the last spade of dirt for that coffin. 4-0 would do that handsomely.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 16, 2022 14:47:27 GMT -8
I'm just happy our guys look like they enjoy playing basketball.
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Post by seastape on Nov 16, 2022 14:57:31 GMT -8
I'm just happy our guys look like they enjoy playing basketball. Agreed, absolutely. A good attitude goes a long way...for the fans, as well.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 16, 2022 15:10:21 GMT -8
I'm just happy our guys look like they enjoy playing basketball. Adding to that, last season the Beavs lost, what, 7 of their first eight, with several of those being relatively close losses to teams that really weren't all that horrible. By the time the Arizona game came around they had had a pretty sizeable dose of losing. I just don't know how easy it is to recover from that. I'm glad they're getting a few wins under their belts even if it's just to show them they CAN win, in the case of the Tulsa game it showed them they can come back and win. Last year started off so poorly in the win/loss category those kids probably weren't enjoying it at all, and it probably affected the trajectory of that team all year.
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