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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jul 4, 2022 20:49:03 GMT -8
Saw this one online. 24 team super conference
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 4, 2022 21:31:11 GMT -8
I’ve seen worse. Would still prefer to keep the PAC something personally. UCLA appearing to have weight in this just chaps my ass. They offer nothing but their home stadium. Oh, and yeah, I love their uniforms. But fan interest appears to be nil!
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Post by bvrbred on Jul 5, 2022 6:15:19 GMT -8
I've seen a lot worse. Essentially it would be a 24 team consortium for negotiating a TV contract. It would be some protection for the schools against future raids and defections of schools. Teams within each regional grouping (Pacific, Plains, etc) would play each other every year, with other games interspersed among the other divisions. No out of consortium games, no body bag match-ups, better TV interest.
As far as UCLA, I share you thoughts. I understand this is about media markets rather than football, but the Big 10 got that with USC. They gain nothing with UCLA and would lose nothing by skipping them. Its possible the UCLA-USC rivalry game was thought to be so important they took UCLA just for that.
I've also wondered what UW offers the Big 10. The Seattle media market? Only if UW wins. If they are mediocre, people up there follow the Seahawks. UW struggled to keep their stadium half full last season. Can UW compete consistently in the Big 10? Apart from the Chris Petersen years (who is a rare coaching genius IMO) they have been mediocre, or worse, in the Pac-12 since their 2000 Rose Bowl year.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 5, 2022 9:06:50 GMT -8
I like it.. plus keeps some rivalries intact.
would also make for a solid basketball conference with some heavy hitters - Kansas, Zona, Baylor, Louisville, WVU, Oregon, Houston (more recently). I think Zona, Kansas+ Baylor finished 2-3-4 in the final AP poll last year.
Baseball: you'd have Beavs, Stanford, Ok State, TCU, Tx Tech, Louisville, ASU and Zona.. *Would need to keep the Pac-12 commish from dreaming up a 6 day/24 team triple elimination postseason tourney in La Quinta in June.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 5, 2022 9:11:58 GMT -8
Lets get er done.
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Post by 93beav on Jul 5, 2022 9:13:52 GMT -8
The Big 12 Squared?
I like it... a lot... especially if there's just no way to keep the original Pac-12.
It actually makes tons of sense from a TV perspective. The problem is that each school seems to think of the world solely in the context of themselves (as does each commissioner). You'd need to get multiple egos to swallow the medicine to make the entire body healthy.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 5, 2022 9:38:47 GMT -8
The Big 12 Squared? I like it... a lot... especially if there's just no way to keep the original Pac-12. It actually makes tons of sense from a TV perspective. The problem is that each school seems to think of the world solely in the context of themselves (as does each commissioner). You'd need to get multiple egos to swallow the medicine to make the entire body healthy. Plus the B12 doesn't really have the same sense of desperation the P12 has right now, so they could probably call the shots. If I'm Big 12 I'm probably just wanting ASU/Zona Colorado/Utah anyways unless adding the rest of the P12 creates a bigger TV windfall + you get UofO and UW to commit to staying put.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 5, 2022 9:42:47 GMT -8
I like the idea. To make it better, have the PAC add two teams to get to 12. Add one B12 vs P12 football game yearly that does not count in conference standings. If Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern et al are worth $100M yearly to Fox, then these 24 or 26 teams are worth $50M to some network. Just a bit related, I'm trying to think of a better name for the Big12. I think I'm striking out. Humidity Conference? Red-State Conference? Tornado Conference? Greater Mississippi Basin?
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Post by jdogge on Jul 5, 2022 9:57:18 GMT -8
The Big 12 Squared? I like it... a lot... especially if there's just no way to keep the original Pac-12. It actually makes tons of sense from a TV perspective. The problem is that each school seems to think of the world solely in the context of themselves (as does each commissioner). You'd need to get multiple egos to swallow the medicine to make the entire body healthy. UO UW are gone to Big 10/4 million Utah, Colorado to Big 12/3 million Perhaps ... OSU WSU Cal Stanford UA ASU Pick 8 Nevada New Mexico NMSU* UC Davis # U British Columbia UNLV* SDSU* (San Diego) Fresno State* UCSB * = may not be research elite for Pac 12 presidents # = does not give athletic scholarships
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Post by 93beav on Jul 5, 2022 10:24:01 GMT -8
The Big 12 Squared? I like it... a lot... especially if there's just no way to keep the original Pac-12. It actually makes tons of sense from a TV perspective. The problem is that each school seems to think of the world solely in the context of themselves (as does each commissioner). You'd need to get multiple egos to swallow the medicine to make the entire body healthy. UO UW are gone to Big 10/4 million Utah, Colorado to Big 12/3 million Perhaps ... OSU WSU Cal Stanford UA ASU Pick 8 Nevada New Mexico NMSU* UC Davis # U British Columbia UNLV* SDSU* (San Diego) Fresno State* UCSB * = may not be research elite for Pac 12 presidents # = does not give athletic scholarships No one is gone anywhere yet. Just because people have spoken, doesn't mean the deals are cut. If anything, I'd think UA would leave so they could play Kansas in bball. I've also read that someone like Oregon, even if they did join the Big 10, would have to wait several years before they get their full cut of the goods (not that uncle philly couldn't fill that gap). Of those 8, I'd only take UNLV, SDSU and maybe Fresno. Isn't there a Texas school available somewhere???
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Post by qbeaver on Jul 5, 2022 12:22:21 GMT -8
How about SC joining the Big 10 with the stipulation Oregon doesn't join to protect their valuable Los Angeles recruiting market which uo has raided successfully over the past 10-20 years? It's very possible. The Big 10 get the LA market,and uo drops off by not getting a bigger television cut...win=win for SC.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Jul 5, 2022 16:34:31 GMT -8
Saw this one online. 24 team super conference /photo/1 Probably the best scenario among a bunch of bad options. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Jul 5, 2022 16:53:13 GMT -8
I was listening to Canzano's radio show on the way home from work today and one of his callers "Roy from Portland" claimed he is good friends with someone higher up in one of the Big 10 school's athletic departments ... and what that friend told him is that there would be little interest from the Big 10 schools for admitting Oregon and Washington because they just don't bring enough to the table money-wise.
They of course went after USC and UCLA for the #2 media market that they bring to the table among other things but the Portland and Seattle media markets don't justify bringing the Ducks and the Huskies in and having to share up that resulting reduced piece of the pie that the Big 10 conference schools would have to divvy up to having them into the conference and he said they don't really have a want or need for UO or UW in that case ...
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 5, 2022 17:20:06 GMT -8
Saw this one online. 24 team super conference /photo/1 Pac 'n Big 12? I think it’s just be the Big Pac.
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Post by sparty on Jul 5, 2022 17:26:13 GMT -8
I was listening to Canzano's radio show on the way home from work today and one of his callers "Roy from Portland" claimed he is good friends with someone higher up in one of the Big 10 school's athletic departments ... and what that friend told him is that there would be little interest from the Big 10 schools for admitting Oregon and Washington because they just don't bring enough to the table money-wise. They of course went after USC and UCLA for the #2 media market that they bring to the table among other things but the Portland and Seattle media markets don't justify bringing the Ducks and the Huskies in and having to share up that resulting reduced piece of the pie that the Big 10 conference schools would have to divvy up to having them into the conference and he said they don't really have a want or need for UO or UW in that case ... Someone calls into a radio show and says a "friend told him". We are screwed then because a friend told me that Oregon State and WSU will be the ones ones left in the pac-12.
Canzanos friends have told him alot of things too. He has thrown about 6 different scenarios out in the last three days. He is bound to be right with one of them then he will gloat that his source was right.
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