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Post by sparty on Jul 3, 2022 19:32:20 GMT -8
I like what Jackson says. If I were the Pac 12, and the remaining ten teams stay, I would invite (somewhat sheepishly) BYU and San Diego State. 12 teams. If we had to go to 16, I would try to poach other members of the Big 12 and try to get a foothold in Texas. We're clearly at the point where no one (except a lot fans!) gives a ____ about regions anymore. My concern is trying to hold onto what’s left Stanford andCalifornia for two. Let the ducks go….. haha. But keep what’s left will also be a challenge. Hearing Utah and the Zona schools now want out.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2022 20:08:45 GMT -8
Pac-12 has the Rose Bowl berth for now. Who does the Big Ten play, if not the Pac-12? As long as we keep that, we are in a position of power.
As long as the Pac-12 stays together, we get four more years of the Rose Bowl.
After 2025, though?...............That's the question.
Kliavkoff not getting the playoff overhaul done is the final missed opportunity it seems.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2022 20:18:23 GMT -8
My concern is trying to hold onto what’s left Stanford andCalifornia for two. Let the ducks go….. haha. But keep what’s left will also be a challenge. Hearing Utah and the Zona schools now want out. Utah is welcome to return to the Mt. West Conference any time it so desires.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 3, 2022 20:44:43 GMT -8
My concern is trying to hold onto what’s left Stanford andCalifornia for two. Let the ducks go….. haha. But keep what’s left will also be a challenge. Hearing Utah and the Zona schools now want out. would be a perfect package for AZ + CU + Utah to join the BIG 12 to make it 16 teams.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 3, 2022 22:12:07 GMT -8
There is some chatter that Stanford is the first choice to the Big Ten, if Notre Dame also decides to go to the Big Ten. I read somewhere no way either Stanford or Cal would go to Big 10 because of travel implications for all its other sports...plus they simply don’t hold football in such high esteem as well....Oregon. Obviously an opinion piece but probably some truth to it. These schools might be the last hope to save what's left of Pac 10
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2022 22:33:29 GMT -8
There is some chatter that Stanford is the first choice to the Big Ten, if Notre Dame also decides to go to the Big Ten. I read somewhere no way either Stanford or Cal would go to Big 10 because of travel implications for all its other sports...plus they simply don’t hold football in such high esteem as well....Oregon. Obviously an opinion piece but probably some truth to it. These schools might be the last hope to save what's left of Pac 10 Historically, Stanford was the team that did everything that they could to hold everyone together. Stanford tried the hardest to save the old Pacific Coast Conference, when California, UCLA, and USC wanted to take Washington and leave the rest. Stanford kept playing Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington State as nonconference opponents while California, UCLA, and USC mostly cut Oregon State out of their nonconference schedules. (California refused to play Oregon State between 1960 and 1969. Similarly, UCLA refused to play Oregon State between 1958-1967. USC did not play Oregon State between 1960-1965.) The original three were Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington, who added California to make the Pacific Coast Conference in 1915. Washington State was added in 1917, and Stanford was added in 1919 to make six. The Champion of the Pacific Coast Conference played in the Rose Bowl starting in 1916. USC was added in 1922 but kicked out of the conference in 1924 before being let back in in 1925. UCLA was invited in in 1928. Oregon + Oregon State + Washington + California + Washington State + Stanford. Those six are a formidable association of western universities. Get six other schools to play with them, and you have a great conference. If we show resolve to weather this storm with the other five original PCC teams, UCLA and USC will be begging us to get let back in, once their number crunchers realize how much money they are burning up in travel expenses, once the recruiting dries up, and once they have to play Minnesota once in the middle of November. The Pacific Conference will always be a great place to play.
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Post by korculabeav on Jul 4, 2022 5:34:22 GMT -8
The extra +$25M Per year USC and UCLA will get over what they get now will be enough for them to overcome all of the challenges you noted for them.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 4, 2022 6:41:16 GMT -8
I read somewhere no way either Stanford or Cal would go to Big 10 because of travel implications for all its other sports...plus they simply don’t hold football in such high esteem as well....Oregon. Obviously an opinion piece but probably some truth to it. These schools might be the last hope to save what's left of Pac 10 Historically, Stanford was the team that did everything that they could to hold everyone together. Stanford tried the hardest to save the old Pacific Coast Conference, when California, UCLA, and USC wanted to take Washington and leave the rest. Stanford kept playing Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington State as nonconference opponents while California, UCLA, and USC mostly cut Oregon State out of their nonconference schedules. (California refused to play Oregon State between 1960 and 1969. Similarly, UCLA refused to play Oregon State between 1958-1967. USC did not play Oregon State between 1960-1965.) The original three were Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington, who added California to make the Pacific Coast Conference in 1915. Washington State was added in 1917, and Stanford was added in 1919 to make six. The Champion of the Pacific Coast Conference played in the Rose Bowl starting in 1916. USC was added in 1922 but kicked out of the conference in 1924 before being let back in in 1925. UCLA was invited in in 1928. Oregon + Oregon State + Washington + California + Washington State + Stanford. Those six are a formidable association of western universities. Get six other schools to play with them, and you have a great conference. If we show resolve to weather this storm with the other five original PCC teams, UCLA and USC will be begging us to get let back in, once their number crunchers realize how much money they are burning up in travel expenses, once the recruiting dries up, and once they have to play Minnesota once in the middle of November. The Pacific Conference will always be a great place to play. Lol...begging to get back in to be in a conference with OSU and WSU? I don't think the cost of flying an extra 1000 miles is going offset the massive increase in revenue USC and UCLA will soon receive. But it might be a consideration to recruits of minor sports. It's really bad when the Pac 12 is being poached by a league that just one year ago was on the verge of total collapse and to save face let Cincinnati and a directional Florida School join. If that's the better option for Utah and AZ schools...it shows how little respect there is for the remainder of the conference. When your best option is joining a league that is comprised of schools in podunk towns in flyover states and the football scraps of Texas...stick a fork in the Pac whatever. Pac 12 leadership utterly failed. The unbelievable and outrageous arrogance of "The Conference of Champions" and "Tier 1" educational schools finally came home to roost as it relates to maintaining P5 status in the national college football landscape. Congrats Pac 12...and RIP. You are now the Mountain West's bitch. Actually...you were already trending that direction anyway.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 4, 2022 10:09:01 GMT -8
Historically, Stanford was the team that did everything that they could to hold everyone together. Stanford tried the hardest to save the old Pacific Coast Conference, when California, UCLA, and USC wanted to take Washington and leave the rest. Stanford kept playing Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington State as nonconference opponents while California, UCLA, and USC mostly cut Oregon State out of their nonconference schedules. (California refused to play Oregon State between 1960 and 1969. Similarly, UCLA refused to play Oregon State between 1958-1967. USC did not play Oregon State between 1960-1965.) The original three were Oregon, Oregon State, and Washington, who added California to make the Pacific Coast Conference in 1915. Washington State was added in 1917, and Stanford was added in 1919 to make six. The Champion of the Pacific Coast Conference played in the Rose Bowl starting in 1916. USC was added in 1922 but kicked out of the conference in 1924 before being let back in in 1925. UCLA was invited in in 1928. Oregon + Oregon State + Washington + California + Washington State + Stanford. Those six are a formidable association of western universities. Get six other schools to play with them, and you have a great conference. If we show resolve to weather this storm with the other five original PCC teams, UCLA and USC will be begging us to get let back in, once their number crunchers realize how much money they are burning up in travel expenses, once the recruiting dries up, and once they have to play Minnesota once in the middle of November. The Pacific Conference will always be a great place to play. Lol...begging to get back in to be in a conference with OSU and WSU? I don't think the cost of flying an extra 1000 miles is going offset the massive increase in revenue USC and UCLA will soon receive. But it might be a consideration to recruits of minor sports. It's really bad when the Pac 12 is being poached by a league that just one year ago was on the verge of total collapse and to save face let Cincinnati and a directional Florida School join. If that's the better option for Utah and AZ schools...it shows how little respect there is for the remainder of the conference. When your best option is joining a league that is comprised of schools in podunk towns in flyover states and the football scraps of Texas...stick a fork in the Pac whatever. Pac 12 leadership utterly failed. The unbelievable and outrageous arrogance of "The Conference of Champions" and "Tier 1" educational schools finally came home to roost as it relates to maintaining P5 status in the national college football landscape. Congrats Pac 12...and RIP. You are now the Mountain West's bitch. Actually...you were already trending that direction anyway. What? We are not getting poached by the Big 12, at least yet. Let it play out. It’s not the end, yet.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 4, 2022 10:12:43 GMT -8
Lol...begging to get back in to be in a conference with OSU and WSU? I don't think the cost of flying an extra 1000 miles is going offset the massive increase in revenue USC and UCLA will soon receive. But it might be a consideration to recruits of minor sports. It's really bad when the Pac 12 is being poached by a league that just one year ago was on the verge of total collapse and to save face let Cincinnati and a directional Florida School join. If that's the better option for Utah and AZ schools...it shows how little respect there is for the remainder of the conference. When your best option is joining a league that is comprised of schools in podunk towns in flyover states and the football scraps of Texas...stick a fork in the Pac whatever. Pac 12 leadership utterly failed. The unbelievable and outrageous arrogance of "The Conference of Champions" and "Tier 1" educational schools finally came home to roost as it relates to maintaining P5 status in the national college football landscape. Congrats Pac 12...and RIP. You are now the Mountain West's bitch. Actually...you were already trending that direction anyway. What? We are not getting poached by the Big 12, at least yet. Let it play out. It’s not the end, yet. I hope you are right. But I can't imagine anyone trusts anyone in the Pac 12 right now, so every school is now looking out for their best interest. I'm guessing those 4 schools sure don't trust Oregon and Washington...and without them as football powers the conference is toast.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 4, 2022 12:13:11 GMT -8
Go to 16, maybe even 18 or 20, and the league will have a lot of clout even if uo and UW or the Arizona schools leave.
I'd bet uo and UW would be perfectly happy to be the 2 schools with $$$ backing behind them and be the big fish in a pretty good sized pond versus risking playing in the shadows of Ohio State and Michigan all of the time. I'd think the mountain schools would be happy to get a in-state rivalry going if the Pac took in Utah State and CSU.
If they went all-out on expansion by adding some other California and Mountain state schools or poaching 4 Big 12 schools, the league could still be quite relevant.
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