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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 18:09:23 GMT -8
Welp, the long fall that started with the failed P16 has arrived! So with the only major national market gone from the P12 what happens now? Its looking pretty likely Arizona schools, Utah and Colorado will go fill out the Big 12. The eventual end of all this is we probably end up with a D1A for football and basketball that includes 4-20 team leagues and a D1B that works for all the other sports more or less as is. So what do the leftovers do? UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Cal and Furd are left holding the P12. Do they break up or invite a bunch of small markets and pretend were a real conference? Do we break up with the major UW heading off to be another cog in a money machine? Where do the ducks buy in? Frud just join the old Ivy league? No one knows for sure but lets do a poll of the likely outcomes and see how people feel.
Personally I kinda like the idea of making a NW league where we can enjoy being in the top third of a conference for the rest of my life over continuing to be a mid-tier to s%#t show of a top conference. The rat race of chasing big money is a losing battle for everyone in the end. It would be way cooler to just have sports be entertaining and fun again. What say yall?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 18:15:53 GMT -8
I would say merge with what’s left of the Big 12.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 18:18:48 GMT -8
I would say merge with what’s left of the Big 12. Seems like a net loss in the end. More expense for a worse product. Better off just concentrating into a regional situation if we can't be in a major. Sorry i missed that option on the poll though, totally whiffed that concept. Defintely better than Canada
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 18:28:27 GMT -8
I would say merge with what’s left of the Big 12. Seems like a net loss in the end. More expense for a worse product. Better off just concentrating into a regional situation if we can't be in a major. Sorry i missed that option on the poll though, totally whiffed that concept. Defintely better than Canada Yes, why would we want the NCAA basketball champion in our league.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 19:04:13 GMT -8
Seems like a net loss in the end. More expense for a worse product. Better off just concentrating into a regional situation if we can't be in a major. Sorry i missed that option on the poll though, totally whiffed that concept. Defintely better than Canada Yes, why would we want the NCAA basketball champion in our league. Cause it would just be 2 more losses a year in basketball? Its probably more likely that Kansas stays in the big 12 than the south 4 stay in the P12. It seems like a lot of people think the Big 12 is in a worse position than us but they have way more money markets than we do. More likely we are canibalized into their conference than the opposite.
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Post by bill82 on Jun 30, 2022 19:13:30 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to a string of Pac-4 Basketball Championships that will rival our run in the 80's.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 19:38:52 GMT -8
Yes, why would we want the NCAA basketball champion in our league. Cause it would just be 2 more losses a year in basketball? Its probably more likely that Kansas stays in the big 12 than the south 4 stay in the P12. It seems like a lot of people think the Big 12 is in a worse position than us but they have way more money markets than we do. More likely we are canibalized into their conference than the opposite. No they don’t. Texas is their $$$ and them leaving along with Texas A&M already being in the SEC leaves them with nothing. Nobody in Texas cares about the other Texas schools and the other Big 12 schools are in small media markets.
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Post by elwood on Jun 30, 2022 20:29:28 GMT -8
If the Pac-12 folds . . . I think we are in the Mountain West, unless we get picked up by Big 10 but I don't think we have the gravitas to be invited.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 30, 2022 20:42:45 GMT -8
Welp….. we’ll have a beautiful stadium for MW folks to come visit. It’ll beat the sheeeeyit outta “Snapdragon Stadium” at SDSU in beautiful Mission Valley. 😁
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jun 30, 2022 20:50:10 GMT -8
Welp….. we’ll have a beautiful stadium for MW folks to come visit. It’ll beat the sheeeeyit outta “Snapdragon Stadium” at SDSU in beautiful Mission Valley. 😁 No it wont!
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 20:55:35 GMT -8
Cause it would just be 2 more losses a year in basketball? Its probably more likely that Kansas stays in the big 12 than the south 4 stay in the P12. It seems like a lot of people think the Big 12 is in a worse position than us but they have way more money markets than we do. More likely we are canibalized into their conference than the opposite. No they don’t. Texas is their $$$ and them leaving along with Texas A&M already being in the SEC leaves them with nothing. Nobody in Texas cares about the other Texas schools and the other Big 12 schools are in small media markets. Baylor is the only team in the B12 with a smaller estimated fan base than Oregon State and we are #8 in conference. Third largest is Cal and it would be #5 in the Big 10 right ahead of TTech. UW is smaller than Kansas. Without UCLA and USC our market is absolute crap and we are way more likely to get pulled apart as schools chase better TV contracts than stay together. archive.nytimes.com/thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/You are right that their top 3 biggest fan bases are gone but that doesn't mean they are interested in joining up with us. Its more likely the scalp what makes sense to give them the best conference they can get.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 21:01:03 GMT -8
No they don’t. Texas is their $$$ and them leaving along with Texas A&M already being in the SEC leaves them with nothing. Nobody in Texas cares about the other Texas schools and the other Big 12 schools are in small media markets. Baylor is the only team in the B12 with a smaller estimated fan base than Oregon State and we are #8 in conference. Third largest is Cal and it would be #5 in the Big 10 right ahead of TTech. UW is smaller than Kansas. Without UCLA and USC our market is absolute crap and we are way more likely to get pulled apart as schools chase better TV contracts than stay together. archive.nytimes.com/thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/You are right that their top 3 biggest fan bases are gone but that doesn't mean they are interested in joining up with us. Its more likely the scalp what makes sense to give them the best conference they can get. Media market not fan base. You trying to tell me that Lawrence, KS is bigger than Seattle. C’mon
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 21:12:36 GMT -8
Baylor is the only team in the B12 with a smaller estimated fan base than Oregon State and we are #8 in conference. Third largest is Cal and it would be #5 in the Big 10 right ahead of TTech. UW is smaller than Kansas. Without UCLA and USC our market is absolute crap and we are way more likely to get pulled apart as schools chase better TV contracts than stay together. archive.nytimes.com/thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/You are right that their top 3 biggest fan bases are gone but that doesn't mean they are interested in joining up with us. Its more likely the scalp what makes sense to give them the best conference they can get. Media market not fan base. You trying to tell me that Lawrence, KS is bigger than Seattle. C’mon Where the team is based does not matter for revenue anymore. Most of the revenue comes from tv contracts and butts in seats for football games. You can watch your team from anywhere in the world now. Fans show up to games if they like the product. There isn’t anything to do in Kansas, they go to the games. Their basketball team has been a perennial to 10 for decades, they have fans tuning in everywhere in the world. It’s about the brand and individual households subscribing not how big the city is. Per capita USC and UCLA probably suck ass as a fan base compared to Oregon State but their total amount of fans is still at freaking higher so they bring in revenue.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 30, 2022 21:58:07 GMT -8
Welp….. we’ll have a beautiful stadium for MW folks to come visit. It’ll beat the sheeeeyit outta “Snapdragon Stadium” at SDSU in beautiful Mission Valley. 😁 No it wont! I grew up in San Carlos/Lake Murray area. I’ll take Reser Stadium and the ambiance of the OSU campus over ANYTHING in brown, dry, dusty, crowded Mission Valley every day. But, that’s me.
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Post by seastape on Jun 30, 2022 22:03:36 GMT -8
Mountain West, most likely. On terms of revenue and big name recognition (from a sports point of view), OSU is one of the weakest names of the Pac 12. Who's going to pick us up? My guess is that the Big 10 may gobble up a few more Pac (10) teams and then the Big 12 will pick over the corpse with Utah for a rivalry with new Big 12 member BYU and then probably the remainder of the interior Pac (whatever) schools.
Most likely at that point, it's the Pac 4 with Stanford, Cal, OSU and WSU. Stanford and Cal can impact the academic profile of a conference so it's tough to believe that someone big won't pick them up. Down to WSU and OSU...WSU has a much better record than OSU in MBB and football over the last 30 years or so and is a bigger name than we are.
That leaves the MWC. It's not great, but I wouldn't mind. The painful part will be scheduling money games against the power conference teams that jilted OSU. The idea of maintaining a rivalry with uo after they bailed on us for greener pastures...yuck. It'll be like going out with the girl who screwed another guy when you took her to the prom. And she's hot, so you do. And so will OSU.
Funny thing is that the Big 12 moves to be relevant will be desperation. It's coming down to 2 conferences in kind of a Blue-Gray rivalry: the (mostly) confederate states of the SEC vs. the (mostly) Union States of the Big 10. Two conferences with 35-40 schools or so. Possibly they'll break down into divisions looking vaguely like the NFL. In any event, it's tough to imagine that OSU will be invited to the party.
On the other hand...a more natural move for the Big 12 might be to lure ACC schools and the Pac 10 just might survive. But still, the Big 12 is going to get either Pac 12 schools that the Big 10 doesn't want or ACC schools that the SEC doesn't want. They're still going to be at best the third best conference.
Poor old OSU probably won't be part of the new Division I in any event. Maybe we'll have a great rivalry with Boise State.
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