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Post by william44 on Jun 30, 2022 15:45:30 GMT -8
Well we cannot do anything about it. Will not help our appeal.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 15:49:44 GMT -8
Well we cannot do anything about it. Will not help our appeal. But, can we do anything about it? That’s what I want to know.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 30, 2022 16:06:49 GMT -8
So stadium size has nothing to do with money, power, and top recruits in college ball? Yes, sorry to say it does matter. Utah would have one of the smallest stadiums in the Big Ten. Bigger than Rutgers or Maryland (I believe), but the second-smallest among real Big Ten teams, smaller than every stadium except Northwestern's. And it's not even the most popular team in its own state. So yeah, Utah's real attractive when your alternative is Washington or Oregon or Cal or Stanford. We would not "join" the MWC. If things really go south and only six teams remain, the Pac-12 would still have the more-recognizable and historic brand name and the next hybrid league would be a merger, the Pac-14, the Pacific-Mountain Conference or the Western Conference or something like that. OSU WSU ASU UA Utah Colorado Colorado State Wyoming Air Force SDSU Fresno State Boise State UNM Utah State Lots of traditional rivalries maintained, some rekindled, with Utah playing many of its old MWC rivals again. No long, long plane rides, like UCLA-Rutgers, or USC-Maryland/Penn State. AFA, Fresno, SDSU, UNM have baseball. UNLV has location, but absolutely no one in LV cares, or has ever cared, about Rebel football. Hawaii and SJSU add nothing, they would probably be better off dropping football anyway. And I wouldn't want to go any higher than 14 teams, anything beyond that is just to unwieldy. The only stadium smaller than Rice-Eccles Stadium in the Big Ten is Ryan Field (Northwestern). Huntington Bank Stadium (Minnesota) is also supposedly smaller, but the record attendance is 54,147. The Pac-12 minus two desperately needs to get into Texas. Mountain West schools do not really add much, if at all. The future is nationwide expansion, not doubling-down on the West.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 30, 2022 16:22:30 GMT -8
Well we cannot do anything about it. Will not help our appeal. But, can we do anything about it? That’s what I want to know. I mean there is always something to do about it. UCLA is a state school and is bound by the rules and laws and dictates of the State of California. USC is a private school, but state law necessarily applies to them, so there are laws and rules that they would have to adhere to. If you got enough signatures, you could put laws on the ballot requiring all Pac-12 schools in the state to remain Pac-12 schools. And you could cleverly word it so that it would work, if the conference otherwise expands or contracts. The Pacific Coast Conference started in Portland, but the beating heart of the Pac-12 moved to California long ago. Oregon State needs to do everything within its power to ensure that UCLA and USC remain in the Pac-12. It is unlikely that they can be reasonably replaced. The Big Ten is trying to kill the other 10 Pac-12 schools in one foul swipe. Oregon State needs to do everything within its power to ensure that the Big Ten is kept on the other side of the Rockies.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jun 30, 2022 16:24:06 GMT -8
But, can we do anything about it? That’s what I want to know. I mean there is always something to do about it. UCLA is a state school and is bound by the rules and laws and dictates of the State of California. USC is a private school, but state law necessarily applies to them, so there are laws and rules that they would have to adhere to. If you got enough signatures, you could put laws on the ballot requiring all Pac-12 schools in the state to remain Pac-12 schools. And you could cleverly word it so that it would work, if the conference otherwise expands or contracts. The Pacific Coast Conference started in Portland, but the beating heart of the Pac-12 moved to California long ago. Oregon State needs to do everything within its power to ensure that UCLA and USC remain in the Pac-12. It is unlikely that they can be reasonably replaced. The Big Ten is trying to kill the other 10 Pac-12 schools in one foul swipe. Oregon State needs to do everything within its power to ensure that the Big Ten is kept on the other side of the Rockies. They are gone. usctrojans.com/splash.aspx?id=splash_60
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 16:27:36 GMT -8
Expecting the P12 to do anything is probably a fools errand. Deals done, ink is drying and off to a new reality. This makes the 4 league super conferences look all the more likely. Expect the p12 and Big 12 to break up into a single conference and thank the stars that UW, WSU, UO and OSU will be a package deal.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 30, 2022 16:34:50 GMT -8
The pac12 screwed up a few years ago by not acting to bring in Texas, Oklahoma etc...
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 16:57:10 GMT -8
Utah is going nowhere. They have a 36,000 football stadium and are only good in womens gymnastics. They offer nothing. Washington and Oregon would be the teams to leave Utah just expanded their stadium, bowled in one end zone, now holds over 50k. They are in SLC, decent market size, nice facilities, defending champs, stadium hosted an Olympic games, and recently was admitted to the AAU for college street cred. I don't think they're going to have any problems finding a conference, the Big 12 would take them in a minute. And…they’re good at football.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 30, 2022 17:08:32 GMT -8
The pac12 screwed up a few years ago by not acting to bring in Texas, Oklahoma etc... How’d did they screw up? The asked them to join and Texas didn’t want equal profit sharing. They wanted their own TV network, which the got by not joining. How is that the PAC 12’s fault?
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Post by ag87 on Jun 30, 2022 17:13:05 GMT -8
Another wild card is that women's sports may be seriously cut back by the time the LA schools leave. I think title IX is going away.
On the big subject I still think this is bad for the LA schools. Yes the athletic department will get $20M more. With the exception of football, for all athletes it's a loser. There are some more things that will happen soon.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jun 30, 2022 17:23:25 GMT -8
Remember way back when to the "Alliance"
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Post by bill82 on Jun 30, 2022 17:31:54 GMT -8
UC Berkeley should have some sway on whether another UC school leaves the Pac-12. There are significant revenue implications and technically UC is one university with multiple locations (UC at) and a single governing body. I think UO and UW face same challenge but to a lesser extent. Lot of UC alumni in the state that wont want UCLA playing in the Big 10. USC is gone.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 30, 2022 17:33:56 GMT -8
UC Berkeley should have some sway on whether another UC school leaves the Pac-12. There are significant revenue implications and technically UC is one university with multiple location and a single governing body. the UC schools are in like 4 conferences. Why would that matter
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Post by oldbeav on Jun 30, 2022 17:45:41 GMT -8
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Post by bill82 on Jun 30, 2022 18:08:29 GMT -8
UC Berkeley should have some sway on whether another UC school leaves the Pac-12. There are significant revenue implications and technically UC is one university with multiple location and a single governing body. the UC schools are in like 4 conferences. Why would that matter Because UC Berkeley is going to lose money and they have the most influential alumni in the UC system. UC Berkeley is "the flagship of the system. UC Irvine and UC Santa Barbara don't have anything to lose. Lot of bureaucracy to wade through with no support.
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