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Post by rmancarl on Jun 21, 2022 20:31:32 GMT -8
Was looking on social media to see if there were any clues for where Shaylee may be headed and the most recent person she was following was Mikayla Pivec. They’ve got somewhat similar games, so hopefully Mikayla and Shaylee were in contact regarding Pivec’s experiences at OSU. I'll take every little glimmer of hope. Let's hope the two of them have spoken recently. I trust Mik bleeds Orange and Black. Wish she was still around the program.
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Post by grad1973 on Jun 21, 2022 21:25:22 GMT -8
Right on Werebeaver. Five years and her dues have been more than paid. One of the better role model players that Scott has ever recruited, if all of them could be like her. Now if you can get 4 years out of a player that is all to be expected nowdays. Six years is just asking too much imo. It doesn't matter whether we expected a 6th year out of Taya or not. That doesn't change the Beavs losing 4 starters to the portal this year. You can call it 3 if you want, but that is still more than you see from almost any team. It's been a tough portal year, but perhaps these next couple weeks will turn it into a good portal year. There are still a handful of nice players available, and yes the Beavs do still need a ball handling guard. The players picked up already will help, but a true ballhandler/PG, or a player like Gonzales, as beaverwbb fan mentioned, would give the Beavs two guards who can take it all the way to the hoop. Taya waited to decide untill she watched how bad the exodus was going to be before she stayed on or not. Then she left. . Oh by the way Reese’eleigibility at Arizona ended last year but she decided to go the extra year given her, is in her words, to help the team get better. Provide leadership? That is what makes the most sense to me!
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Post by beaverstever on Jun 21, 2022 22:23:51 GMT -8
It doesn't matter whether we expected a 6th year out of Taya or not. That doesn't change the Beavs losing 4 starters to the portal this year. You can call it 3 if you want, but that is still more than you see from almost any team. It's been a tough portal year, but perhaps these next couple weeks will turn it into a good portal year. There are still a handful of nice players available, and yes the Beavs do still need a ball handling guard. The players picked up already will help, but a true ballhandler/PG, or a player like Gonzales, as beaverwbb fan mentioned, would give the Beavs two guards who can take it all the way to the hoop. Taya waited to decide untill she watched how bad the exodus was going to be before she stayed on or not. Then she left. . Oh by the way Reese’eleigibility at Arizona ended last year but she decided to go the extra year given her, is in her words, to help the team get better. Provide leadership? That is what makes the most sense to me! I have no inside info, but I don’t think that’s why Taya left. I think she wanted a grad degree from another university, especially one with a better reputation in her area of study. I also believe OSU will be significantly better than Duke next year. Maybe she disagrees with my opinion there, but I can’t imagine she was thinking Dukes where she can go to make a deep tourney run next year.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 22, 2022 7:09:45 GMT -8
Taya waited to decide untill she watched how bad the exodus was going to be before she stayed on or not. Then she left. . Oh by the way Reese’eleigibility at Arizona ended last year but she decided to go the extra year given her, is in her words, to help the team get better. Provide leadership? That is what makes the most sense to me! I have no inside info, but I don’t think that’s why Taya left. I think she wanted a grad degree from another university, especially one with a better reputation in her area of study. I also believe OSU will be significantly better than Duke next year. Maybe she disagrees with my opinion there, but I can’t imagine she was thinking Dukes where she can go to make a deep tourney run next year. Agreed. A Grad degree from Duke is...well...a Grad degree from DUKE. Add in her friend Mik is there and it really is a no brainer, for Taya and the next 30+ years of her life. She isn't playing hoops for the betterment of OSU fans.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 22, 2022 7:40:31 GMT -8
"I have no inside info, but I don’t think that’s why Taya left. I think she wanted a grad degree from another university, especially one with a better reputation in her area of study."
I think beaverstever makes a solid point here: I don't know Taya's personal reasons either. But I can tell you that when I was in my early 20's, if I had a chance for free schooling at Duke I would have walked there.
Now, as a parent who values higher education, I can also tell you that I would encourage any of my kids to jump at the chance to earn a degree from Duke. It carries economic clout, and it exposes you to a culture-rich environment filled with opportunity of every stripe.
Good luck to you, Taya. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 22, 2022 7:51:14 GMT -8
It doesn't matter whether we expected a 6th year out of Taya or not. That doesn't change the Beavs losing 4 starters to the portal this year. You can call it 3 if you want, but that is still more than you see from almost any team. It's been a tough portal year, but perhaps these next couple weeks will turn it into a good portal year. There are still a handful of nice players available, and yes the Beavs do still need a ball handling guard. The players picked up already will help, but a true ballhandler/PG, or a player like Gonzales, as beaverwbb fan mentioned, would give the Beavs two guards who can take it all the way to the hoop. Taya waited to decide untill she watched how bad the exodus was going to be before she stayed on or not. Then she left. . Oh by the way Reese’eleigibility at Arizona ended last year but she decided to go the extra year given her, is in her words, to help the team get better. Provide leadership? That is what makes the most sense to me! That's merely your supposition, yet you present it as if it were fact. Doesn't help your credibility.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 22, 2022 11:02:06 GMT -8
I have no inside info, but I don’t think that’s why Taya left. I think she wanted a grad degree from another university, especially one with a better reputation in her area of study. I also believe OSU will be significantly better than Duke next year. Maybe she disagrees with my opinion there, but I can’t imagine she was thinking Dukes where she can go to make a deep tourney run next year. Agreed. A Grad degree from Duke is...well...a Grad degree from DUKE. Add in her friend Mik is there and it really is a no brainer, for Taya and the next 30+ years of her life. She isn't playing hoops for the betterment of OSU fans. Mik is not at Duke. Aleah is there and she and Taya developed a very strong friendship while at OSU.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 22, 2022 11:59:15 GMT -8
Agreed. A Grad degree from Duke is...well...a Grad degree from DUKE. Add in her friend Mik is there and it really is a no brainer, for Taya and the next 30+ years of her life. She isn't playing hoops for the betterment of OSU fans. Mik is not at Duke. Aleah is there and she and Taya developed a very strong friendship while at OSU. Thanks for the correction...I knew that and it is who I meant. Appreciate the civil approach
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Post by hoopheritic on Jun 23, 2022 12:29:07 GMT -8
I'm sure she's good but it would be a gamble. Like you said we don't know what the 3 freshman guards can do and there's no risk in bringing Bendu off the bench. Noelle seems comfortable in her role. Aaron is a wild-card who I'm really not sure where her sweet spot is. The big risk is having enough to go around for Talia, AJ, and to a lesser extent the 3 freshman guards. I can't imagine AJ will be happy coming off the bench extensively again after proving she should have been starting over Greta once conference play started because - defense. And if SR is having to rotate in players in a 2 guard lineup that's going to put pressure on Talia's minutes. I think it's a huge risk bringing in another guard. But I also come from the modern school of hoops where a dedicated PG is unnecessary so I don't see a huge gap here. In fact, if anything, the make-up of the team is built for a higher speed game with very little ball handling needed. I'm thinking this is what SR is thinking for the 22-23 season: High speed, minimal post-ups, 3 guards, minimal isolation sets. There is an issue to this style; can Talia speed up her game? I agree with you on the dedicated point guard, or at the very least I don't think a team needs a true point guard if they are surrounded by other ball handlers who also pose a scoring threat. I think that was Talia's biggest problem last season. When she got double teamed, there wasn't another scoring threat to make the opposing team pay for the double team. I also don't think you have to worry about Talia's speed. If you go back and watch the SC or UCLA games, in particular when the Beavs ran against UCLA, Talia was the key component of getting the ball to the players streaking down the court. If the Beavs speed up their offense, I think you would see more of Talia in that role, and she's pretty good in hitting those players in stride. Yeah, when she sends it up the floor it's gonna be faster. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the quickness to create space to execute. She's excellent at bullying the defender to the basket, which can be helpful late in a close game, but it's slow and reduces overall shot count and thus our score. This may be the biggest contributor to our low scoring season along with having to rely on post players.
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Post by beaveragain on Jun 23, 2022 13:31:45 GMT -8
I agree with you on the dedicated point guard, or at the very least I don't think a team needs a true point guard if they are surrounded by other ball handlers who also pose a scoring threat. I think that was Talia's biggest problem last season. When she got double teamed, there wasn't another scoring threat to make the opposing team pay for the double team. I also don't think you have to worry about Talia's speed. If you go back and watch the SC or UCLA games, in particular when the Beavs ran against UCLA, Talia was the key component of getting the ball to the players streaking down the court. If the Beavs speed up their offense, I think you would see more of Talia in that role, and she's pretty good in hitting those players in stride. Yeah, when she sends it up the floor it's gonna be faster. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the quickness to create space to execute. She's excellent at bullying the defender to the basket, which can be helpful late in a close game, but it's slow and reduces overall shot count and thus our score. This may be the biggest contributor to our low scoring season along with having to rely on post players. "bullying"? Talia drives to the basket through resistance, good for her. Relying on the scoring of post players is a major factor of SR's offense, and yes he tends to have lower scoring teams than most of the top 20 types of teams. When the Beav's are on their game the other team scores even less. With the shot clock I think there's enough scoring to make the games fun.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 23, 2022 14:01:38 GMT -8
Don't mean to speak for hoopheretic, but "bullying" and "bully ball" are rather common expressions for players who attack the bucket with muscle and volume; they absorb contact without losing the ball, and they dish out contact without getting called.
Talia's quite good at it, which is a good thing because she has minimal verticality, average foot speed, and she often needs to be physical in the paint in order to release over quicker, taller players. Bully players are often masters of bank shots.
Usually bully ball is reserved for men's ball - but it's "subdued" equivalent if found in WBB....At least, that's may take on it... When I coached the term was something of a compliment - lately it more often refers to excessive muscle and aggression. Very few WBB in the Pac are good at it. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by beaverstever on Jun 23, 2022 14:59:09 GMT -8
I agree with you on the dedicated point guard, or at the very least I don't think a team needs a true point guard if they are surrounded by other ball handlers who also pose a scoring threat. I think that was Talia's biggest problem last season. When she got double teamed, there wasn't another scoring threat to make the opposing team pay for the double team. I also don't think you have to worry about Talia's speed. If you go back and watch the SC or UCLA games, in particular when the Beavs ran against UCLA, Talia was the key component of getting the ball to the players streaking down the court. If the Beavs speed up their offense, I think you would see more of Talia in that role, and she's pretty good in hitting those players in stride. Yeah, when she sends it up the floor it's gonna be faster. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the quickness to create space to execute. She's excellent at bullying the defender to the basket, which can be helpful late in a close game, but it's slow and reduces overall shot count and thus our score. This may be the biggest contributor to our low scoring season along with having to rely on post players. That's an interesting theory, but the data doesn't support it. We took an identical number of shots last year as the year before (56/game). The problem was we made a lot less of them last year compared to the year before. I guess you could argue that Talia's drives to the hoop didn't get teammates as open as Aleah did (or the passing to the open teammate didn't happen as fast) and contributed to the lower shooting percentage, but it wasn't causing us to shorten the game's number of possessions. Talia also is a better 1:1 player than Aleah - when she takes someone to the basket, most guards will need help to stop her inside. Once committed, Aleah had to get to the basket before help arrived or it was usually a TO. Talia hasn't yet found a way to consistently punish the double-teams but she's proven she can still score at times even when help comes.
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Post by grad1973 on Jun 23, 2022 16:14:57 GMT -8
Taya waited to decide untill she watched how bad the exodus was going to be before she stayed on or not. Then she left. . Oh by the way Reese’eleigibility at Arizona ended last year but she decided to go the extra year given her, is in her words, to help the team get better. Provide leadership? That is what makes the most sense to me! That's merely your supposition, yet you present it as if it were fact. Doesn't help your credibility. I did present at lease one fact. She waited, she didn’t lead the way. Should be the opposite? she just didn’t do her own thing apart from the other kids. She took her time, saw what was happening with her starter friends and that made a difference between staying and leaving. No way to prove that but just say if Brown and Taylor stayed I think Taya would have. Just like Reese dis at Arizona. Taya sensed something going on that might have made the difference. How many hands, with all this infused new talent. Didn’t it cross peoples minds and Taya If she stayed she would have made the younger kids transition a hole lot better. Now no one can do that. That sucks to me.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 23, 2022 16:26:40 GMT -8
That's merely your supposition, yet you present it as if it were fact. Doesn't help your credibility. I did present at lease one fact. She waited, she didn’t lead the way. Should be the opposite? she just didn’t do her own thing apart from the other kids. She took her time, saw what was happening with her starter friends and that made a difference between staying and leaving. No way to prove that but just say if Brown and Taylor stayed I think Taya would have. Just like Reese dis at Arizona. Taya sensed something going on that might have made the difference. How many hands, with all this infused new talent. Didn’t it cross peoples minds and Taya If she stayed she would have made the younger kids transition a hole lot better. Now no one can do that. That sucks to me. When she decided vs when the official announcement was made public are not necessarily synonymous.
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Post by rmancarl on Jun 23, 2022 18:01:04 GMT -8
Yeah, when she sends it up the floor it's gonna be faster. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the quickness to create space to execute. She's excellent at bullying the defender to the basket, which can be helpful late in a close game, but it's slow and reduces overall shot count and thus our score. This may be the biggest contributor to our low scoring season along with having to rely on post players. That's an interesting theory, but the data doesn't support it. We took an identical number of shots last year as the year before (56/game). The problem was we made a lot less of them last year compared to the year before. I guess you could argue that Talia's drives to the hoop didn't get teammates as open as Aleah did (or the passing to the open teammate didn't happen as fast) and contributed to the lower shooting percentage, but it wasn't causing us to shorten the game's number of possessions. Talia also is a better 1:1 player than Aleah - when she takes someone to the basket, most guards will need help to stop her inside. Once committed, Aleah had to get to the basket before help arrived or it was usually a TO. Talia hasn't yet found a way to consistently punish the double-teams but she's proven she can still score at times even when help comes. The team didn't have as good of shooters as the year before either. Taylor, a very good shooter was absent most of the season and replaced by Kennedy, who isn't nearly the shooter Taylor is. Aleah and her good shooting were traded for Greta, who couldn't hit anything inside the 3pt line.
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