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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 27, 2022 10:57:13 GMT -8
Just curious is the purpose of the baseball league schedule to determine who the best 8 teams are or is it to determine who the best team is. The 30 or so games played in the league schedule are enough to determine who the best team is. League tournaments in any sport are just ridiculous. Imagine if there were no tournaments...our basketball team would have a new head coach right now. Best argument against tourneys ever. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 27, 2022 12:00:57 GMT -8
Imagine if there were no tournaments...our basketball team would have a new head coach right now. Best argument against tourneys ever. So we would rather give up the Elite 8 run? I wouldn't. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 27, 2022 12:48:02 GMT -8
Best argument against tourneys ever. So we would rather give up the Elite 8 run? I wouldn't. I'm torn on this one......cuz I'm not sure Tinkle is the ever gonna be the answer, but the elite 8 run was awesome.....and it can always get worse |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 27, 2022 13:24:02 GMT -8
Best argument against tourneys ever. So we would rather give up the Elite 8 run? I wouldn't. I just want to give up Tinkle lol |
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Post by qbeaver on May 27, 2022 14:33:40 GMT -8
Highly doubt it's scrapped. It's the first year of the tournament. Lots of bugs to work out
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Post by beavheart on May 28, 2022 8:14:59 GMT -8
If you still needed a reason NOT to have the tourney in Arizona in late May, how about the attendance last night?
Arizona vs ASU. Elimination game starting at 5pm on a Friday. Attendance?.. Maybe 200 people showed up. Hard to tell exactly because they avoid showing the bleachers when there's no one there, but that is pathetic!
Meanwhile, OSU is filling the stands for our games from 2000 miles away.
Here's a novel idea. Put the tournament in mild climate where there are actual fans that show up and support the games. Have it in Oregon, and play the games at Hillsboro stadium. Hell, I bet last night's game between the Arizona schools would have had more people in attendance here in Oregon.
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Post by rgeorge on May 28, 2022 9:15:07 GMT -8
If you still needed a reason NOT to have the tourney in Arizona in late May, how about the attendance last night? Arizona vs ASU. Elimination game starting at 5pm on a Friday. Attendance?.. Maybe 200 people showed up. Hard to tell exactly because they avoid showing the bleachers when there's no one there, but that is pathetic! Meanwhile, OSU is filling the stands for our games from 2000 miles away. Here's a novel idea. Put the tournament in mild climate where there are actual fans that show up and support the games. Have it in Oregon, and play the games at Hillsboro stadium. Hell, I bet last night's game between the Arizona schools would have had more people in attendance here in Oregon. First, you can't go by TV. During the day games fans crowd to the top in the 300 level seats for shade. The stadium holds 12000, and there are fans on the grassy berms and up in the Charro Lodge. I heard the Pac 12 reps talking and they are averaging over 3100 per session. Last night's Cal/UCLA game was announced over that. Scottsdale weather isn't good, but the venue and area provide all the essentials. Great facilities that aren't scheduled until June 6th (ACL rookie ball league), plenty of hotel rooms, numerous practice facilities, super easy airport access. Contract runs thru the '24 tourney. Tweaks will be made and maybe a new venue after that? |
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Post by beavheart on May 28, 2022 9:36:51 GMT -8
If you still needed a reason NOT to have the tourney in Arizona in late May, how about the attendance last night? Arizona vs ASU. Elimination game starting at 5pm on a Friday. Attendance?.. Maybe 200 people showed up. Hard to tell exactly because they avoid showing the bleachers when there's no one there, but that is pathetic! Meanwhile, OSU is filling the stands for our games from 2000 miles away. Here's a novel idea. Put the tournament in mild climate where there are actual fans that show up and support the games. Have it in Oregon, and play the games at Hillsboro stadium. Hell, I bet last night's game between the Arizona schools would have had more people in attendance here in Oregon. First, you can't go by TV. During the day games fans crowd to the top in the 300 level seats for shade. The stadium holds 12000, and there are fans on the grassy berms and up in the Charro Lodge. I heard the Pac 12 reps talking and they are averaging over 3100 per session. Last night's Cal/UCLA game was announced over that. Scottsdale weather isn't good, but the venue and area provide all the essentials. Great facilities that aren't scheduled until June 6th (ACL rookie ball league), plenty of hotel rooms, numerous practice facilities, super easy airport access. Contract runs thru the '24 tourney. Tweaks will be made and maybe a new venue after that? Those numbers sound generous even if everything you point out is actually happening each game. Tix sold, sure. However you want to slice it, the park looked empty last night. Probably OSU fans are also skewing the average attendance numbers up in our games. Second, if there was a tournament elimination game between the $ucks and Beavs here in Portland in a 12K stadium you better believe that thing would be packed full! That's my point. I hope they make adjustments right on out of Arizona, and put the tournament somewhere we can all access the thing. Sacramento, for instance, is drivable for nearly all of the baseball schools. Or Reno? |
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Post by rgeorge on May 28, 2022 10:18:34 GMT -8
First, you can't go by TV. During the day games fans crowd to the top in the 300 level seats for shade. The stadium holds 12000, and there are fans on the grassy berms and up in the Charro Lodge. I heard the Pac 12 reps talking and they are averaging over 3100 per session. Last night's Cal/UCLA game was announced over that. Scottsdale weather isn't good, but the venue and area provide all the essentials. Great facilities that aren't scheduled until June 6th (ACL rookie ball league), plenty of hotel rooms, numerous practice facilities, super easy airport access. Contract runs thru the '24 tourney. Tweaks will be made and maybe a new venue after that? Those numbers sound generous even if everything you point out is actually happening each game. Tix sold, sure. However you want to slice it, the park looked empty last night. Probably OSU fans are also skewing the average attendance numbers up in our games. Second, if there was a tournament elimination game between the $ucks and Beavs here in Portland in a 12K stadium you better believe that thing would be packed full! That's my point. I hope they make adjustments right on out of Arizona, and put the tournament somewhere we can all access the thing. Sacramento, for instance, is drivable for nearly all of the baseball schools. Or Reno? Well, part of the problem with fans and the bulk of the complaints.... it's based on the assumption that this tourney is for the fans. It started on a Wed, so mostly "gray hairs" are able to attend. Families are dealing with the end of school, and aholiday weekend. Also, there is no "skewing" totals. A ticket count is what it is, and it's always tickets sold not butts in the seats. The Pac12 truly doesn't care who and how many come thru those gates. Beaver fans or not, moving this will not be based on attendance. This is for TV $$. The BS secondary reasoning it will help out the Pac12 come the real tourney... is, well, BS. Maybe every blue moon a lower seed will gain a tourney berth but I'd bet against it. If you're a 6,7,8 after 30 games of 3 set series, those teams probably don't have the teams to come thru a tourney. I get the frustration, but for a first contract Scottsdale was ideal. No weather issues to set back games. No scheduling conflict with stadium so cheaper deal. Great facilities. Easy access... very much so for 5 of the 8 teams. All the TV cam crews are locals so no travel expenses. It is what it is |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 28, 2022 10:37:56 GMT -8
Those numbers sound generous even if everything you point out is actually happening each game. Tix sold, sure. However you want to slice it, the park looked empty last night. Probably OSU fans are also skewing the average attendance numbers up in our games. Second, if there was a tournament elimination game between the $ucks and Beavs here in Portland in a 12K stadium you better believe that thing would be packed full! That's my point. I hope they make adjustments right on out of Arizona, and put the tournament somewhere we can all access the thing. Sacramento, for instance, is drivable for nearly all of the baseball schools. Or Reno? Well, part of the problem with fans and the bulk of the complaints.... it's based on the assumption that this tourney is for the fans. It started on a Wed, so mostly "gray hairs" are able to attend. Families are dealing with the end of school, and aholiday weekend. Also, there is no "skewing" totals. A ticket count is what it is, and it's always tickets sold not butts in the seats. The Pac12 truly doesn't care who and how many come thru those gates. Beaver fans or not, moving this will not be based on attendance. This is for TV $$. The BS secondary reasoning it will help out the Pac12 come the real tourney... is, well, BS. Maybe every blue moon a lower seed will gain a tourney berth but I'd bet against it. If you're a 6,7,8 after 30 games of 3 set series, those teams probably don't have the teams to come thru a tourney. I get the frustration, but for a first contract Scottsdale was ideal. No weather issues to set back games. No scheduling conflict with stadium so cheaper deal. Great facilities. Easy access... very much so for 5 of the 8 teams. All the TV cam crews are locals so no travel expenses. It is what it is Yup. I just wish the Pac-12 wasn’t completely inept at tv. I’m not talking video quality but distribution, ad bucks and just getting people to watch. P12 network seriously needs revamped so that it actually gains viewers. People under 35 rarely have cable and if they are paying to see it are watching through a 3rd party like fubo. Pac-12 should at the very least offer a streaming service subscription for $3 a month or something, that revenue would probably dominate what they get from 3rd party cable and streaming though I admit I don’t know the contract details. I do know that my private stream for friends and family is averaging 5-30 people during this tournament. That’s pretty wild considering im not trying to get viewers and I’m not even that likable! |
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Post by rgeorge on May 28, 2022 10:42:20 GMT -8
Well, part of the problem with fans and the bulk of the complaints.... it's based on the assumption that this tourney is for the fans. It started on a Wed, so mostly "gray hairs" are able to attend. Families are dealing with the end of school, and aholiday weekend. Also, there is no "skewing" totals. A ticket count is what it is, and it's always tickets sold not butts in the seats. The Pac12 truly doesn't care who and how many come thru those gates. Beaver fans or not, moving this will not be based on attendance. This is for TV $$. The BS secondary reasoning it will help out the Pac12 come the real tourney... is, well, BS. Maybe every blue moon a lower seed will gain a tourney berth but I'd bet against it. If you're a 6,7,8 after 30 games of 3 set series, those teams probably don't have the teams to come thru a tourney. I get the frustration, but for a first contract Scottsdale was ideal. No weather issues to set back games. No scheduling conflict with stadium so cheaper deal. Great facilities. Easy access... very much so for 5 of the 8 teams. All the TV cam crews are locals so no travel expenses. It is what it is Yup. I just wish the Pac-12 wasn’t completely inept at tv. I’m not talking video quality but distribution, ad bucks and just getting people to watch. P12 network seriously needs revamped so that it actually gains viewers. People under 35 rarely have cable and if they are paying to see it are watching through a 3rd party like fubo. Pac-12 should at the very least offer a streaming service subscription for $3 a month or something, that revenue would probably dominate what they get from 3rd party cable and streaming though I admit I don’t know the contract details. I do know that my private stream for friends and family is averaging 5-30 people during this tournament. That’s pretty wild considering im not trying to get viewers and I’m not even that likable! Tech savvy >> than likeable |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 28, 2022 10:49:49 GMT -8
Lol that and I pay for cable still. I have what they want, nothing like friends by market demand.
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Post by beaver94 on May 28, 2022 11:10:46 GMT -8
Well, part of the problem with fans and the bulk of the complaints.... it's based on the assumption that this tourney is for the fans. It started on a Wed, so mostly "gray hairs" are able to attend. Families are dealing with the end of school, and aholiday weekend. Also, there is no "skewing" totals. A ticket count is what it is, and it's always tickets sold not butts in the seats. The Pac12 truly doesn't care who and how many come thru those gates. Beaver fans or not, moving this will not be based on attendance. This is for TV $$. The BS secondary reasoning it will help out the Pac12 come the real tourney... is, well, BS. Maybe every blue moon a lower seed will gain a tourney berth but I'd bet against it. If you're a 6,7,8 after 30 games of 3 set series, those teams probably don't have the teams to come thru a tourney. I get the frustration, but for a first contract Scottsdale was ideal. No weather issues to set back games. No scheduling conflict with stadium so cheaper deal. Great facilities. Easy access... very much so for 5 of the 8 teams. All the TV cam crews are locals so no travel expenses. It is what it is Yup. I just wish the Pac-12 wasn’t completely inept at tv. I’m not talking video quality but distribution, ad bucks and just getting people to watch. P12 network seriously needs revamped so that it actually gains viewers. People under 35 rarely have cable and if they are paying to see it are watching through a 3rd party like fubo. Pac-12 should at the very least offer a streaming service subscription for $3 a month or something, that revenue would probably dominate what they get from 3rd party cable and streaming though I admit I don’t know the contract details. I do know that my private stream for friends and family is averaging 5-30 people during this tournament. That’s pretty wild considering im not trying to get viewers and I’m not even that likable! If they offered a stand alone streaming option I’d pay 2 or 3 times that $3 a month. They’re really missing out on so much. I can log into ESPN or Fox sports and rewatch games almost immediately after they’ve aired. There’s no reason the PAC-12 shouldn’t be able to offer this as well. They’ve really dropped the ball since it’s launch. |
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