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Post by irimi on May 21, 2022 9:52:45 GMT -8
I have morning-after regret for starting this thread.
I am not qualified (and no one here is) to really comment on the coaching. We don't see the players day in and day out. I suspect Canham had a hunch about Wilson that just didn't pay off. But he knows that we need to shake up the hitting in the bottom of the order somehow. And Dorman knows the matchups better than I do, so if he calls in Carpenter, he probably has a very good reason.
We've been playing very good teams who can punish you for any sort of mistake while giving up very few mistakes. Any club that can do that is going to win games. End of story. Success comes from making your opponent make a mistake and then taking advantage of it.
Let's get them today, boys!
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Post by rgeorge on May 21, 2022 10:12:28 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. It's possible we were just a little overrated and our schedule is revealing it. OSU is 5-6 and will finish either 6-6 or 5-7 against the top four teams in the Pac 12 this year. Three of those top four (uo, UA, UCLA) have been our last three opponents and we are currently 4-4 against those three. We're going to finish somewhere between tied for first and third in conference. So we have an good team, maybe an excellent team, but maybe not a great team. We'll have to see how the post-season goes. Suddenly, the Pac 12 tournament matters. Above someone posted about our record and "... have done more good than bad.." or something close. Again true when you look at the overall record. But what about when you look at the teams that have been fighting for the Pac12 crown the last two seasons (no Pac12 play 3 seasons ago): 2021... OSU finished 5th (16-14) and went 3-9 vs teams ahead in the Pac12... Furd (1-2), ucks (0-3), UCLA (1-2), Zona (1-2) 2022... Who is considered the true contenders? Being consistent going down to 5th place as of now... OSU vs... Furd 1-2, Zona 1-2, ucks 3-0, UCLA 0-2... 5-6 overall. Improved at least. The best OSU can do over the last two seasons is 9-15, as low as 8-16, versus the upper echelon Pac12 teams. It's those performances that do not bode well for the postseason. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2022 10:12:38 GMT -8
I've enjoyed watching this team play. Baseball is a funny game. Just about anything can happen on any given day. Were our coaches smarter when we swept UW and the ucks? Was Savage a no coaching fool when they got swept by UW and now they are smart because they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Today, headed into the last game of the season, we have the #2 RPI in the Country. Can't give all the credit to those 4 first round draft picks on the roster...coaching has to have something to do with it, right? I think there are about 200 other teams who would love to be in our spot this morning. 4 first round picks? Probably only 1. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 21, 2022 16:48:31 GMT -8
Canham/Dorman are simply not yet adept at getting many college-aged kids to "soldier on" in the face of acute adversity.
JFC. We lost our #1 starter before the season and have not had him all year. We lost our #3 starter after two starts and have not yet got him back full-time. We lost one of our best left-handed hitters (Wheeler) to essentially a season-ending injury after about two weekends. We pretty much eliminated our biggest pitching problem (walks) from a year ago. We had probably the worst weather for home games in a decade. The bottom 1/3 of our batting order has basically disappeared.
Yet we were ranked #1 at one part of the season, finished one game out of first place in the conference, swept five straight games from our arch-rivals, swept our #2 rival, have the #2 seed for the conference tournament, will host a regional and have a good shot at being a #8 national seed.
I'd say we soldiered on pretty freaking good. You didn't like Canham's hiring and he's making you look wrong more and more every year.
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Post by chinmusic on May 21, 2022 16:49:06 GMT -8
The season isn't over. The Regionals, Super Regionals and Omaha lay ahead. A performance review of the coaching staff should take place at the conclusion of the season. When all the games have been played and all of the team's performance stats are final, that is the time to perform an objective review.
A Beaver fan review of the staff should somewhat coincide with Mitch Canhams sit down review wuith A.D. Scott Barnes at season's end. Prematurely reviewing OSU coaches amounts to nothing more than an emotional rant in response to to some sort of frustration with coaches and/ or the team. Venting your spleen on Benny's board with maybe as many as 15 games to play is folly. If the Beavers reach Omaha, and even more importantly, won the NC ......think how foolishly you would feel writing that review.
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Post by rgeorge on May 21, 2022 17:27:24 GMT -8
The season isn't over. The Regionals, Super Regionals and Omaha lay ahead. A performance review of the coaching staff should take place at the conclusion of the season. When all the games have been played and all of the team's performance stats are final, that is the time to perform an objective review. A Beaver fan review of the staff should somewhat coincide with Mitch Canhams sit down review wuith A.D. Scott Barnes at season's end. Prematurely reviewing OSU coaches amounts to nothing more than an emotional rant in response to to some sort of frustration with coaches and/ or the team. Venting your spleen on Benny's board with maybe as many as 15 games to play is folly. If the Beavers reach Omaha, and even more importantly, won the NC ......think how foolishly you would feel writing that review. I'm not sure I've read anything close to a performance review on this board. Questions about pitching changes, lineups, etc are fairly innocent and even more common place. Unlike another previous post, every fan is qualified to do that. It's part of fandom, good or bad. IMHO losing a regional or hosting a trophy would make little difference in MC's review. The overall development and performance should outweigh a few postseason games. I'd guess if losing several regionals in a row happened, the postseason may become a bigger issue in said review. There's nothing "wrong" with this staff that a few more years of seasoning won't solve. MC and staff are just going to have to keep up with the "Jones' ". As the Pac12 isn't going to go backwards in the new era of the portal + NIL deals. |
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Post by eorbeav on May 21, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -8
If our pitching staff is subpar how did we blank uo twice and sweep them in 5 games? uo just beat az in the series so they are not a baf ballclub. We have lost way too many close games by not providing run support to a great outing by our starting pitcher. Baseball is a heartless bitch and she will punish you fot not being perfect day in and day out.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2022 18:08:38 GMT -8
If our pitching staff is subpar how did we blank uo twice and sweep them in 5 games? uo just beat az in the series so they are not a baf ballclub. We have lost way too many close games by not providing run support to a great outing by our starting pitcher. Baseball is a heartless bitch and she will punish you fot not being perfect day in and day out. Our pitching staff is not bad, just inconsistent. We will see what we got in postseason. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 21, 2022 18:32:32 GMT -8
I've enjoyed watching this team play. Baseball is a funny game. Just about anything can happen on any given day. Were our coaches smarter when we swept UW and the ucks? Was Savage a no coaching fool when they got swept by UW and now they are smart because they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Today, headed into the last game of the season, we have the #2 RPI in the Country. Can't give all the credit to those 4 first round draft picks on the roster...coaching has to have something to do with it, right? I think there are about 200 other teams who would love to be in our spot this morning. 4 first round picks? Probably only 1. My point exactly! This team is sitting in a similar place to that of the 2018 team at the end of the regular season as it relates to RPI. The talent level of this team is not that of the 2018 team and I would never compare them except in this case to point out how much this coaching staff has done with what they have this year. Great kids who play hard and a staff who is getting the most out of them. |
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Post by irimi on May 21, 2022 18:39:11 GMT -8
The season isn't over. The Regionals, Super Regionals and Omaha lay ahead. A performance review of the coaching staff should take place at the conclusion of the season. When all the games have been played and all of the team's performance stats are final, that is the time to perform an objective review. A Beaver fan review of the staff should somewhat coincide with Mitch Canhams sit down review wuith A.D. Scott Barnes at season's end. Prematurely reviewing OSU coaches amounts to nothing more than an emotional rant in response to to some sort of frustration with coaches and/ or the team. Venting your spleen on Benny's board with maybe as many as 15 games to play is folly. If the Beavers reach Omaha, and even more importantly, won the NC ......think how foolishly you would feel writing that review. Already admitted such. I was frustrated at four straight losses. We don’t have that luxury any longer. |
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Post by jdogge on May 21, 2022 22:05:55 GMT -8
And you have had how much experience coaching at this level? Oh, shoot the messenger, nice strategy.. plays well.... THAT messenger, for sure. |
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Post by chinmusic on May 21, 2022 22:30:33 GMT -8
George
What are you suggesting?
"There's nothing "wrong" with this staff that a few more years of seasoning won't solve.
MC and staff are just going to have to keep up with the "Jones' ". As the Pac12 isn't going to go backwards in the new era of the portal + NIL deals."
And what is it that seasoning will solve?
And specifically, where are they defficient?
Bench coaching, practice organization, player development, recruiting, baseball knowledge, coaching experience?
I think keeping up with the Jones is more a function of the Athletic Department and the OSU Administration rather than the coaches.You keep up with money - budget and facilities.....or are you referring to keeping pace with coaching?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 22, 2022 7:25:37 GMT -8
So now everyone is second guessing the coaching decisions? Isn't Dorman doing the same thing he did with Verburg when he was s%#tting the bed? Athletes also have to execute.
UCLA and ARZ are legit squads who were picked to finish ahead of us preseason in conference. UCLA had the #1 recruiting class in the nation.
I'm gonna look at it with a half glass full mind set. We are still #2 in RPI. We made hay all season long, which allowed us to stumble a bit at the end, with a back loaded schedule. I expect a reset going into the conf tourney, and maybe run it....or at least win a couple, and on to being a national host.
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Post by william44 on May 22, 2022 8:11:06 GMT -8
UCLA showed a lot this weekend. UW has won 8 or 9 in a row. Will be tough this time. Hope we are ready and relaxed. Hope we find the right end of batting order and DH. Not worried about pitching.
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Post by ricke71 on May 22, 2022 8:54:20 GMT -8
UCLA showed a lot this weekend. UW has won 8 or 9 in a row. Will be tough this time. Hope we are ready and relaxed. Hope we find the right end of batting order and DH. Not worried about pitching. Actually UW has won 12 in a row. But, since their (discussed on another thread) sweep of UCLA the first weekend of May in Seattle, the last 9 of those wins have been against teams with RPI's > 100. Including a 4-game sweep this weekend against RPI #297 (out of 'just' 301 teams) Northern Colorado. U. of No. Colo. Bears pitching staff finished the season with an 8.45 ERA >>>>> and that's against an array of teams that gave the U. of No. Colo Bears a Strength of Schedule that ranked 281. So while the Beavs tuned up for Scottsdale against a quality PAC-12 team, the Fuskies were cooling their heels in Seattle against one of the worst D-1 teams in the country. |
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