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Post by irimi on May 20, 2022 21:38:50 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms.
Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind?
Then how about base running?
It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course.
Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games.
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 22:17:18 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. It's a "sin" on this board to speak negatively about certain OSU coaches, and MC is certainly one of those. But, in true sense OSU is an elite program being lead by a group of highly inexperienced college coaches. Without going through each one I'm betting the entire staff has less than a dozen years coaching at the D1 level. Upon the hire of MC and Dorman it was argued that D1 and MiLB coaching was pretty much the same. And in the hiring of inexperienced former OSU players it seemed D1 experience didn't matter. In both cases it does matter. We've got a staff learning on the job. And regular season games are a far different creature than postseason type games. I think some here can admit that from last postseason. And, the last two series have shown some flaws of inexperience also. It's not saying that MC and his staff can't be quality coaches. But, they are very inexperienced and it has shown in key situations. |
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Post by jdogge on May 20, 2022 22:32:15 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. It's a "sin" on this board to speak negatively about certain OSU coaches, and MC is certainly one of those. But, in true sense OSU is an elite program being lead by a group of highly inexperienced college coaches. Without going through each one I'm betting the entire staff has less than a dozen years coaching at the D1 level. Upon the hire of MC and Dorman it was argued that D1 and MiLB coaching was pretty much the same. And in the hiring of inexperienced former OSU players it seemed D1 experience didn't matter. In both cases it does matter. We've got a staff learning on the job. And regular season games are a far different creature than postseason type games. I think some here can admit that from last postseason. And, the last two series have shown some flaws of inexperience also. It's not saying that MC and his staff can't be quality coaches. But, they are very inexperienced and it has shown in key situations. And you have had how much experience coaching at this level? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 21, 2022 5:37:41 GMT -8
I guess there were no key situations in the first 50 games.
Ryan Gipson has been a college coach for almost 10 years. He's not inexperienced. Dorman coached three years at Grand Canyon., now three years here There's more than 15 years of college coaching right there. Those guys got us to a regional final last year with a team that had no upperclassmen leadership (and not much talent, we had guys getting 100 ABs who would not see the field this year, and a supposed ace who forgot how to throw strikes) because of recruiting decisions by the previous coaching staff.
And it looks as if our "inexperienced" college coaches are way ahead of a lot of experienced college coaches in the Pac-12 and in our non-com schedule, even with losing 2/3 of their starting rotation for most of the season.
No coaches are perfect. I'd say our record, even with the last four games, indicates they've done a lot more right than wrong.
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Post by william44 on May 21, 2022 6:36:59 GMT -8
Not too critical of staff. UCLA is just plain good. Their pressure caused our poor execution. Their catchers arm is better and we have not run nor have we executed against them. They impress Me how they execute. Likely under rated. Matchups are what we are dealing with. Arizona pounded us and u of o pounds them. Stanford outplayed us and we can see now why. Maybe we are 3 rd best Team all things being equal. Not blaming staff at all.
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Post by avidbeaver on May 21, 2022 7:01:51 GMT -8
It's all about execution when given the chance to score. UCLA has executed and the Beavers have not executed. I do agree on one thing. Bringing in Carpenter wasn't good considering he has struggled of late.
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Post by badwack on May 21, 2022 7:02:26 GMT -8
UCLA did all the basics well. Get on, get over, score. Timely hits perhaps but they were looking to make contact. Not trying to kill the ball. For some reason the lower half of our order isn't getting better. Watch them swing from their asses. Not making contact. Maybe the pitching speed is overwhelming. Hard to tell. I have noted Donkey is routinely late. Makes me crazy because when he get around he can really drive the ball. I would try getting him to open a bit and try to get that bat to the zone faster. Oh, well we really can't do much but bitch.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 21, 2022 7:03:41 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. Coaching was not sharp in the last two series. I really don’t understand the pitching choices atm, in both series they seem to be saving arms despite no midweek games. This is the time of the year where we need to play whoever is hot and pull guys as soon as they show warts. With most of the bullpen available why run a struggling guy like carpenter for 25+ pitches? I don’t mind the batting order thing. We’re struggling at the plate against good pitching and looking for an answer. Rotating guys and bouncing the order around also helps with long range development. What I don’t get is why are we giving AB to auto out players when we could be developing young guys like Guerra,m and Trosky. Both players have high upside compared to the older players ahead of them and could use the experience. Either take a short range 1 game at a time approach or develop players for the post season. Don’t switch back and forth game to game. Coaching Staff stuff: 1) They are fairly inexperienced but they do learn. Last year vs this year has been a very obvious approach in use of steals/small ball and feel for pitching staff. 2) They are not afraid to try things. This will backfire on a game to game basis bit aslong as they learn from it long range it is a big advantage. 3) They can recruit and recognize ability. Most of our starters are essentially unknowns. Melton is our best player and he spent 2 years at LB. Boyd is our current blue chip and the guy was barely nationally recruited. We have better resumes on some of the frosh and incoming players but overall on paper our recruiting has been pretty meh compared to Stanford, UCLA or Arizona. 4) They know how to develop players. 5) In game management is improving but we are somewhat helpless against teams with equal or better ability. This staff isn’t likely to punch up with their current experience. Hard to argue with the overall arc of the program under Mitch so far. Improved record and play year to year and hasn’t missed the post season yet. |
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Post by seastape on May 21, 2022 7:07:42 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. It's possible we were just a little overrated and our schedule is revealing it. OSU is 5-6 and will finish either 6-6 or 5-7 against the top four teams in the Pac 12 this year. Three of those top four (uo, UA, UCLA) have been our last three opponents and we are currently 4-4 against those three. We're going to finish somewhere between tied for first and third in conference. So we have an good team, maybe an excellent team, but maybe not a great team. We'll have to see how the post-season goes. Suddenly, the Pac 12 tournament matters. |
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Post by beavaristotle on May 21, 2022 7:13:50 GMT -8
The level of any team’s play is in constant flux. You are never as good as you look on your best day and never as bad as you look on your worst day. Beavers are on a down tick right now, let’s hope it turns around before the season ends.
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Post by rafer on May 21, 2022 7:22:11 GMT -8
It's a "sin" on this board to speak negatively about certain OSU coaches, and MC is certainly one of those. But, in true sense OSU is an elite program being lead by a group of highly inexperienced college coaches. Without going through each one I'm betting the entire staff has less than a dozen years coaching at the D1 level. Upon the hire of MC and Dorman it was argued that D1 and MiLB coaching was pretty much the same. And in the hiring of inexperienced former OSU players it seemed D1 experience didn't matter. In both cases it does matter. We've got a staff learning on the job. And regular season games are a far different creature than postseason type games. I think some here can admit that from last postseason. And, the last two series have shown some flaws of inexperience also. It's not saying that MC and his staff can't be quality coaches. But, they are very inexperienced and it has shown in key situations. And you have had how much experience coaching at this level? Oh, shoot the messenger, nice strategy.. plays well.... |
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Post by grackle on May 21, 2022 7:35:00 GMT -8
The whole team is slumping..... Dorman's relief pitching changes are often overdue and more often make no sense; 3rd base coaching is, well, to put it mildly, inconsistent; abrupt lineup changes at season's end absolutely reek of panic; many batters are seriously overswinging; infield/catching defensive play has gone to hell in a handbasket, etc.
And no... I'm not a coach, but I do have eyes. Canham/Dorman are simply not yet adept at getting many college-aged kids to "soldier on" in the face of acute adversity.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 21, 2022 7:42:21 GMT -8
Listening to the latter part of Friday's game, I thought Dorman made a mistake calling for Carpenter to come in. We needed the first game. We needed our best arms. Then what's up with the batting order? Is now the time to experiment? What's going through Canham's mind? Then how about base running? It's almost like we have a bunch of rookie coaches who are feeling pressure and are making poor decisions instead of righting the ship and staying the course. Disappointed in the coaches this weekend as much as the outcomes of the first two games. It's possible we were just a little overrated and our schedule is revealing it. OSU is 5-6 and will finish either 6-6 or 5-7 against the top four teams in the Pac 12 this year. Three of those top four (uo, UA, UCLA) have been our last three opponents and we are currently 4-4 against those three. We're going to finish somewhere between tied for first and third in conference. So we have an good team, maybe an excellent team, but maybe not a great team. We'll have to see how the post-season goes. Suddenly, the Pac 12 tournament matters. Totally, our schedule has been back loaded all year. Everyone knew it but it seemed like the other teams kept making mistakes while we kept rolling. Stanford, UCLA and Arizona are all very talented with good bullpens. We don’t seem to be ready for that challenge in the regular season. We still have 40 wins in the regular season which is a great year, just hard to end on such a sour note. I still think we are built better for a long haul tourney than a 3 game series. Since Casey got us to the post season in 2005 we have had 40 regular season wins in 2005 (41), 2013 (45), 2014 (43), 2017 (49) and 2018 (44). We can skip how most of those ended though. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 21, 2022 7:46:55 GMT -8
The whole team is slumping..... Dorman's relief pitching changes are often overdue and more often make no sense; 3rd base coaching is, well, to put it mildly, inconsistent; abrupt lineup changes at season's end absolutely reek of panic; many batters are seriously overswinging; infield/catching defensive play has gone to hell in a handbasket, etc. And no... I'm not a coach, but I do have eyes. Canham/Dorman are simply not yet adept at getting many college-aged kids to "soldier on" in the face of acute adversity. Totally agree on adversity. I’m not exactly surprised as this is Mitches 2nd real season, can’t expect him to be half as good as a 20 year coach. We really see it when the talent level is equal or better. We don’t punch up at all right now. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 21, 2022 8:40:40 GMT -8
I've enjoyed watching this team play. Baseball is a funny game. Just about anything can happen on any given day. Were our coaches smarter when we swept UW and the ucks? Was Savage a no coaching fool when they got swept by UW and now they are smart because they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Today, headed into the last game of the season, we have the #2 RPI in the Country. Can't give all the credit to those 4 first round draft picks on the roster...coaching has to have something to do with it, right? I think there are about 200 other teams who would love to be in our spot this morning.
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