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Post by gravelman on May 20, 2022 13:32:25 GMT -8
Arizona State transfer Justin Rochelin (@justin_rochelin) has committed to Oregon State,
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 13:35:58 GMT -8
Arizona State transfer Justin Rochelin (@justin_rochelin) has committed to Oregon State, Was he a walk on? Redshirt?? Ineligible?? He did not see the court as far as I can tell... |
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Post by beaverinohio on May 20, 2022 14:19:48 GMT -8
Arizona State transfer Justin Rochelin (@justin_rochelin) has committed to Oregon State, Was he a walk on? Redshirt?? Ineligible?? He did not see the court as far as I can tell... He red shirted his freshman year. Couldn’t find anything about any kind of injury, though he did miss time because of Covid. He was a high 3-star (#224 on 24/7) and Beavers offered him coming out of high school. Doesn’t appear he’s played much in last 3 years. Had injuries his junior HS, Covid canceled school’s season as a senior, and then the red shirt year. Found this in a 24/7 article: Rochelin is a guy that made waves during the spring and early summer of 2019 because of his size, ability to create a shot and long-distance shooting ability," said 247Sports National Analyst Eric Bossi. "He appeared to be primed for a big junior season but had to deal with injury issues throughout the year that kept him from showing what he could do. So good news is he has 4 years of eligibility and appears to have some talent. But at this point seems to be somewhat of a flyer. From my perspective, Beavs needed a wing/SG. Would have preferred someone with some proven experience. Guess we’ll see. Has good genes as his dad played at UCLA in mid/late 1980s. Though didn’t have much in the way of stats. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2022 14:27:55 GMT -8
Was he a walk on? Redshirt?? Ineligible?? He did not see the court as far as I can tell... He red shirted his freshman year. Couldn’t find anything about any kind of injury, though he did miss time because of Covid. He was a high 3-star (#224 on 24/7) and Beavers offered him coming out of high school. Doesn’t appear he’s played much in last 3 years. Had injuries his junior HS, Covid canceled school’s season as a senior, and then the red shirt year. Found this in a 24/7 article: Rochelin is a guy that made waves during the spring and early summer of 2019 because of his size, ability to create a shot and long-distance shooting ability," said 247Sports National Analyst Eric Bossi. "He appeared to be primed for a big junior season but had to deal with injury issues throughout the year that kept him from showing what he could do. So good news is he has 4 years of eligibility and appears to have some talent. But at this point seems to be somewhat of a flyer. From my perspective, Beavs needed a wing/SG. Would have preferred someone with some proven experience. Guess we’ll see. Has good genes as his dad played at UCLA in mid/late 1980s. Though didn’t have much in the way of stats. Dad was a stud athlete... Athletes welcome. Hoping they all have better work ethic and buy in than the last quick fix group. Hoping ER and Shelton are the assistants from heaven that can really have a positive impact. Sorry, but WT has lost me, so I hope the new players and staff can turn it around. Good news I'll not have to spend $$ for season tix for a long while. You'll be able to spend $6-12 on the secondary and sit almost anywhere for the next 2 seasons at least. |
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Post by beaverinohio on May 20, 2022 14:43:56 GMT -8
Good to know about his dad. Name didn’t strike any kind of chord win me. Hopefully we got a steal with this kid. Being that he lost time last year cuz of Covid, plus the last two abbreviated years of high school, makes some kind of sense that he would red shirt. Like you said, an athletic 6-5 kid would be nice if he pans out. I did find that the injuries in his junior year were a string of sprained ankles. Hopefully not a chronic thing, but better than a serious knee injury.
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Post by bennyinbend on May 21, 2022 6:29:19 GMT -8
Rochelin had offers from Oklahoma, Florida, Houston, TCU, Arizona St, Cal, Wazzu, San Diego St, Tulsa & 20 total offers
He was the 262 ranked recruit in the 2021 class, 51st at the small forward position, and 29th overall in Cali
That's a pretty nice list kids
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on May 21, 2022 10:34:06 GMT -8
Another recruit w/ a lot of potential. Its all about a smart game plan, team work and being disciplined w/ this many youngsters. Hopefully the head coach will make those things a priority. He sure didn't last year and we about lost every game. I gotta believe he's learned from that. (Even though its a lesson that should not have been needed after being a coach that long). But we can hope for the best right?
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Post by skyrider on May 21, 2022 12:52:24 GMT -8
Does anyone really believe that Coach Tinkle is going to change in any significant way? The guy is making millions by just keeping on doing what he has been doing!
Odds are much higher that (a) one of us will be hit and killed by an asteroid or (b) one of us will win the biggest lottery prize of all time.
Coach Tinkle is what he is, and OSU basketball is what it is unless and until significantly more $$$ resources are allocated to it.
Also with the paying of players now the "norm" the fat cats are only going to get more and more of the talent.
Really is a most discouraging and depressing situation. We need a Coach who is able to (a) recruit well and/or (b) lead, inspire, and demand fundamentals, team play, and be an excellent X's and O's guy.
Instead we have a Coach who can done neither of these things.
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Post by beaverinohio on May 21, 2022 16:53:09 GMT -8
Do I think Tinkle is going to become great coach all of a sudden? No. But I’m excited to see how the team develops next year. Beavs have added 4 guys who were high 3 star players coming out of HS (2 HS recruits and 2 young transfers) as well as a foreign born player (from Germany I think, but can’t remember for sure). Do the ratings mean these players will be good or better college players? No. But I’m actually more excited about this roster than I was about last year’s team because other than Davis coming in, I wasn’t very high on the transfers at the beginning of last year. Unfortunately, my lack of enthusiasm was warranted.
I get it. Many (most?) on here are not happy that WT will be HC next year (me included). But that won’t stop me from rooting for this team and being hopeful that this incoming class can be the foundation for an improved team.
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Post by babeav on May 21, 2022 17:00:35 GMT -8
Does anyone really believe that Coach Tinkle is going to change in any significant way? The guy is making millions by just keeping on doing what he has been doing!
Odds are much higher that (a) one of us will be hit and killed by an asteroid or (b) one of us will win the biggest lottery prize of all time.
Coach Tinkle is what he is, and OSU basketball is what it is unless and until significantly more $$$ resources are allocated to it.
Also with the paying of players now the "norm" the fat cats are only going to get more and more of the talent.
Really is a most discouraging and depressing situation. We need a Coach who is able to (a) recruit well and/or (b) lead, inspire, and demand fundamentals, team play, and be an excellent X's and O's guy.
Instead we have a Coach who can done neither of these things.
I’d be really interested in the lottery option. If needed I’d buy Wayne out…… |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 21, 2022 22:27:46 GMT -8
Does anyone really believe that Coach Tinkle is going to change in any significant way? The guy is making millions by just keeping on doing what he has been doing!
Odds are much higher that (a) one of us will be hit and killed by an asteroid or (b) one of us will win the biggest lottery prize of all time.
Coach Tinkle is what he is, and OSU basketball is what it is unless and until significantly more $$$ resources are allocated to it.
Also with the paying of players now the "norm" the fat cats are only going to get more and more of the talent.
Really is a most discouraging and depressing situation. We need a Coach who is able to (a) recruit well and/or (b) lead, inspire, and demand fundamentals, team play, and be an excellent X's and O's guy.
Instead we have a Coach who can done neither of these things.
I’d be really interested in the lottery option. If needed I’d buy Wayne out…… On the recruiting front, buying Wayne out will probably do very little. Spending some of that lottery money on our recruiting budget might have more effect. The Beavs spent a whopping 166k on recruiting a couple years ago, highest spent ever apparently. I think that may have been the year uo was accused by a shoe exec of offering an individual player a 6 figure signing bonus. The Pac 12 in general spends less than the other major conferences for some reason, but we perennially spend in the bottom 2 of our league, and yet we have fans thinking we should be in the mix for the top half of our league year in and year out. athleticdirectoru.com/articles/an-analysis-of-college-basketball-recruiting-costs/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in,in%20a%20single%20fiscal%20year. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 21, 2022 22:49:44 GMT -8
I’d be really interested in the lottery option. If needed I’d buy Wayne out…… On the recruiting front, buying Wayne out will probably do very little. Spending some of that lottery money on our recruiting budget might have more effect. The Beavs spent a whopping 166k on recruiting a couple years ago, highest spent ever apparently. I think that may have been the year uo was accused by a shoe exec of offering an individual player a 6 figure signing bonus. The Pac 12 in general spends less than the other major conferences for some reason, but we perennially spend in the bottom 2 of our league, and yet we have fans thinking we should be in the mix for the top half of our league year in and year out. athleticdirectoru.com/articles/an-analysis-of-college-basketball-recruiting-costs/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in,in%20a%20single%20fiscal%20year. So, do you truly think more $$ makes a coach a better recruiter? Your attachment shows it didnt. Cal spent $60k more did it result in a significantly better class? Looking at years I could easily find, 2018, 2019 (your doc) Wisconsin spends half of what OSU did in 2019. But still out recruited OSU. Houston same. Colorado, SD St, Auburn, Memphis the same. UCLA spent $11k more in 2019. The budget is spent on expenses for recruits, staff, and office. More money doesn't attract better players. The coach and his program do that. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 22, 2022 8:43:23 GMT -8
I’d be really interested in the lottery option. If needed I’d buy Wayne out…… On the recruiting front, buying Wayne out will probably do very little. Spending some of that lottery money on our recruiting budget might have more effect. The Beavs spent a whopping 166k on recruiting a couple years ago, highest spent ever apparently. I think that may have been the year uo was accused by a shoe exec of offering an individual player a 6 figure signing bonus. The Pac 12 in general spends less than the other major conferences for some reason, but we perennially spend in the bottom 2 of our league, and yet we have fans thinking we should be in the mix for the top half of our league year in and year out. athleticdirectoru.com/articles/an-analysis-of-college-basketball-recruiting-costs/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in,in%20a%20single%20fiscal%20year.  |
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Post by beaverinohio on May 22, 2022 9:30:32 GMT -8
I’d be really interested in the lottery option. If needed I’d buy Wayne out…… On the recruiting front, buying Wayne out will probably do very little. Spending some of that lottery money on our recruiting budget might have more effect. The Beavs spent a whopping 166k on recruiting a couple years ago, highest spent ever apparently. I think that may have been the year uo was accused by a shoe exec of offering an individual player a 6 figure signing bonus. The Pac 12 in general spends less than the other major conferences for some reason, but we perennially spend in the bottom 2 of our league, and yet we have fans thinking we should be in the mix for the top half of our league year in and year out. athleticdirectoru.com/articles/an-analysis-of-college-basketball-recruiting-costs/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in,in%20a%20single%20fiscal%20year. Beavers under Tinkle have been in top half of league 3 out of 8 years. That’s the same amount of years they’ve finished in the bottom 3 during that time span. And while I think most fans would be ecstatic being in the top 6 of league every year, just as many would be happy with top half 60% of the time and no historically bad seasons — let alone two. Would a larger recruiting budget help? Certainly wouldn’t hurt., but not sure from what we’ve seen from Tinkle thus far that it would help. Sure we’d all love a bunch of 4-star recruits, but those aren’t a necessity for success — especially if you’re defining success as finishing 4-6 in the league 38% of the time. More recruiting money isn’t going to help with projecting the growth and success of high school players at the college level. Nor will it help with recruiting players that fit your system and then developing those players. I’m actually encouraged by this year’s recruiting class as I’ve posted in this thread. Five of the seven look like on paper (and what I’ve been able to gather from some video I’ve seen) that they have some talent. The other two I’m less enthused about, but really haven’t seen any recent video on them, so who knows. I don’t need Tinkle to bring in top 5 recruiting classes in the conference (though it would be nice). I’d be happy with recruiting classes of this level if he is getting players who fit what he wants, and then develops them as individual players and as a team. Based on his track record, I have my doubts that Tinkle can do that. We shall see. I certainly hope he can do it |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 22, 2022 13:06:58 GMT -8
On the recruiting front, buying Wayne out will probably do very little. Spending some of that lottery money on our recruiting budget might have more effect. The Beavs spent a whopping 166k on recruiting a couple years ago, highest spent ever apparently. I think that may have been the year uo was accused by a shoe exec of offering an individual player a 6 figure signing bonus. The Pac 12 in general spends less than the other major conferences for some reason, but we perennially spend in the bottom 2 of our league, and yet we have fans thinking we should be in the mix for the top half of our league year in and year out. athleticdirectoru.com/articles/an-analysis-of-college-basketball-recruiting-costs/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20in,in%20a%20single%20fiscal%20year. So, do you truly think more $$ makes a coach a better recruiter? Your attachment shows it didnt. Cal spent $60k more did it result in a significantly better class? Looking at years I could easily find, 2018, 2019 (your doc) Wisconsin spends half of what OSU did in 2019. But still out recruited OSU. Houston same. Colorado, SD St, Auburn, Memphis the same. UCLA spent $11k more in 2019. The budget is spent on expenses for recruits, staff, and office. More money doesn't attract better players. The coach and his program do that. I'm thinking more in home visits, or more coaches on the same in home visits, can really show a recruit he's wanted. I have seen occasional reports of teams sending entire staffs to players. That takes money. This is just 1 example. Year after year there are articles like this one with the Beavers spending at or near the bottom of the Pac 12 or all Power 5 teams. Do you think that Tinkle's gone to the AD and insisted on doing everything on the cheap? Cal spent 35/40% more and didn't get a better class? Maybe Tinkle IS a better recruiter than you give him credit for. UCLA can show recruits a wall of National Championships and NCAA Tourneys, they have a history we don't have... add to that they are IN a recruiting hotbed. If it were safe their coaches could literally ride their bikes and have access to way more recruits our coaches have to fly to than our coaches can visit locally... UCLA can save tons of travel money. OSU is really out in the boonies when it comes to distance from large numbers of recruits, that costs money. On any given year OSU is close enough to a handful of Power 5 prospects that might be able to attend a game on their own, the big city teams are within dozens to hundreds, that's an advantage. The majority of the teams you mentioned are in huge metropolitan areas, that's an advantage. I am not suggesting giving recruits money. I am not suggesting showing recruits a visible pile of money. I'm suggesting increasing the budget to cover the expenses you mentioned, in many cases our potential expenses are higher than most of those other teams simply because of location. Year after year of a small budget can influence long term success in recruiting. Others have pointed out that OSU's overall basketball budget has been lower than most of our competition long term. It's not just the salary of the head coach, it's everything, and while you are bitching about recruiting perhaps investing enough to put OSU at the same level of the competition (perhaps even a little higher) would be a relatively inexpensive start ... and that's a LOT cheaper than a buyout. The team 40 minutes to our south spent roughly double to what we spent on recruiting in '19 alone. I'd bet that's a yearly thing, and frankly it wouldn't be too expensive to match it. I just don't get how people expect top half of the league results year in and year out when OSU's basketball budget (not just recruiting) is at or near the bottom of the league year in and year out. |
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