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Post by Werebeaver on May 4, 2022 12:34:17 GMT -8
I’m not sure what I said was disparaging. I wanted her back and better next year. She didn’t play up to what most expected of her, and that certainly includes herself. The only thing I’m questioning is that she will blossom at Michigan vs OSU. She won’t find the basket any bigger, and likely the defenders any easier to get around or shoot over. Taya - and most of the team in general - shot terribly this year. Taya’s 3pt stats in conference were red light territory. Was that due to a stagnant offense? Maybe, but a lot of open looks were missed in my recollection. Rueck’s system has previously really gotten the best out of somewhat limited players, and optimized good ones. It turned Maria and Aleah into WNBA picks that came out if nowhere based on where they started. So I have trouble grasping why it now muffles the skill of other talent. Both Destiny and then Sasha thought they’d do better in a different system, and their subsequent stats were virtually identical at Ark. So I just think blaming Rueck’s system lacks any merit. Even lacking more merit... stating Greta's game suddenly is the issue... that's SR's system is not at issue whatsoever. Blaming underperforming on a true Frosh coming into D1 ball, then stating her game is lacking ( a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game) and it will not be solved at UM isn't disparaging? OK. When the entire surrounding cast also underperformed, OSU being on a steady downhill slope, having lost 4 of it's last 5 elite recruits... that's on Greta's game lacking?? Hmmm... losing multiple top tier recruits may be the norm at schools with a roster FULL of such players, but OSU is not that school. Whatever reasoning some fans want to use, SR needs to adjust to the landscape and quickly. Lower echelon Pac12 teams have surpassed OSU. None of the top tier teams are falling off. The current state of the roster is highly dependent on several true frosh excelling in D1 ball or OSU stays in the bottom half of the Pac12. For Greta's sake, I hope you're right. We'll find out soon enough.
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May 4, 2022 13:17:52 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on May 4, 2022 13:17:52 GMT -8
Even lacking more merit... stating Greta's game suddenly is the issue... that's SR's system is not at issue whatsoever. Blaming underperforming on a true Frosh coming into D1 ball, then stating her game is lacking ( a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game) and it will not be solved at UM isn't disparaging? OK. When the entire surrounding cast also underperformed, OSU being on a steady downhill slope, having lost 4 of it's last 5 elite recruits... that's on Greta's game lacking?? Hmmm... losing multiple top tier recruits may be the norm at schools with a roster FULL of such players, but OSU is not that school. Whatever reasoning some fans want to use, SR needs to adjust to the landscape and quickly. Lower echelon Pac12 teams have surpassed OSU. None of the top tier teams are falling off. The current state of the roster is highly dependent on several true frosh excelling in D1 ball or OSU stays in the bottom half of the Pac12. For Greta's sake, I hope you're right. We'll find out soon enough. And, the good news is the her "stats" will not necessarily be an indication of her happiness or improvement as a player as some tend to imply. Identical or similar stats in a new situation can be for many reasons. Being happy and a better overall player is the goal. I'd like to believe that most in the portal (~23% are P5) are running "toward" not away from a situation.
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May 4, 2022 16:14:12 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on May 4, 2022 16:14:12 GMT -8
Here’s her quote again: “I kind of realized the way Oregon State plays basketball was not something I’m super comfortable playing in,” Kampschroeder said. “There’s nothing wrong with the way they play.
“But I’m used to balance of run and transition — get easy buckets, and if we have to, slow it down.”
She very clearly states that the issue is her comfort playing within OSU’s system, and not the system itself. Taking that at face value, she sees her game specifically not fitting the system, and that’s the reason she moved on, and why things didn’t go as well as she hoped for her specific performance (that last bit inferred). Obviously I’m not blaming her for the whole team underachieving. Clearly you see that as part of the broader critique of SR’s failing this last season, and I agree with that. I just don’t agree with her assessment of UM’s style being a better fit for her game; I think its actually a worse fit. But she may indeed be happier there, and if so, good for her.
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Post by bvrbooster on May 4, 2022 20:01:07 GMT -8
Me, I'm not going to spend 2 seconds following Greta's career at Michigan. While I'm certainly not going to root against her or hope she falls flat on her ass, she is no longer a part of our team or even in our conference. So I have no more interest in her career than I do the starter at her position at the University of Central Florida.
If she puts up similar numbers at Michigan next year as at OSU this year, I'm not going to proclaim this as vindication for Scott, and if she averages 16, I'm not going to start pointing fingers at Scott. She wound up not liking it here, and she left; end of her story at OSU. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing the sequel.
I'd much rather focus on the team we'll have next year than continue to beat the dead horse of those who left after this year. That's done. I want to look forward, not behind.
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May 4, 2022 20:01:41 GMT -8
Post by beaveragain on May 4, 2022 20:01:41 GMT -8
Possibly, but she said “easy” buckets. OSU’s inside-out offense also produces open looks at 3s, so I read into her statement that she thinks her game will improve with more break-away and 3-on-two layup opportunities. This is true for every guard in the history of basketball. I personally think she’s fooling herself if she thinks it’s going to be easier to improve her average playing at Michigan. Sasha’s scoring average actually went slightly down at Arkansas, where they have a relatively wide-open offense. Her overall shooting average went up slightly there, but her 3pt shooting dropped 6%. So we will see, but IMO, a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game. Funny, so what's wrong with Greta's game that consistent playing time in a more open system will not solve? SR's team this was stagnant, predicable, and quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury. It's funny to me that several posters lauded her as a recruit and then when she leaves disparage her game. Funny, she shot the 3 better than TC!! She plays better D than TVO by a long shot. But, she was on a revolving door regarding playing time even though she was much more talented than two of the grad transfers. She and AJ deserved much more PT. And, I guess a team coming off a S16 and E8 runs, averaging 22 Ws over the last 10 years doesn't find she's lacking too badly. "Funny, so what's wrong with Greta's game that consistent playing time in a more open system will not solve?" I'm actually a fan of Greta's and think she'd have had a great career here if she'd toughed it out. But more playing time? This season was tossed trying to jump start Greta's play and giving her even more time would have put a bullet through the head for this season. " SR's team this was stagnant, predicable, and quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury" SR's offense runs through the post. Not having a post who can score means the season was never going to be very good until one of the posts was able to put up some points. Buuuttt " quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury"? Sort of like how the Titanic should have been able to make at least one more run? The Hindenburg should have been able to make another cross country run? Really? How many games did the Quackers win without Sabally? They lost to UC Davis, gimme a break. She shot the 3 better than TC? Yeah, but she shot it worse that Mannen so....yeah, both totally irrelevant. " She plays better D than TVO by a long shot." Yeah, you keep talking about how bad a D TVO plays and I'll keep saying you a wrong and the metrics keep saying TVO was in the top three in defense for the team in all but one game. But beyond that, after the first 5 or 6 games learning to play at D1 level Greta was a very good defensive player.
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May 4, 2022 20:50:22 GMT -8
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Post by avidbeaver on May 4, 2022 20:50:22 GMT -8
She didn't think of the style of play before she signed on the dotted line? Due diligence wasn't part of the decision.
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Post by willtalk on May 5, 2022 2:29:49 GMT -8
Some times it's a matter of players complementing each other within the system they are playing. I believe one of the problems was that Greta and TVO were redundant and were not conducive to involving the Post players. Much like Pivec and Slocum were not complementary to team efficiency on the floor together. Moving on from Greta made usage of the post players more effective.
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Post by rgeorge on May 5, 2022 9:47:50 GMT -8
Some times it's a matter of players complementing each other within the system they are playing. I believe one of the problems was that Greta and TVO were redundant and were not conducive to involving the Post players. Much like Pivec and Slocum were not complementary to team efficiency on the floor together. Moving on from Greta made usage of the post players more effective. Hmmm... tell us about this premise. I'm curious what stat or factual data supports this... for either duo mentioned? Especially since Destiny was the "only" offense at times and her ball skills actually opened up Mik's game. I mean there first season together ('18-19) OSU basically had no post... Marie left the season before... it was Grymek, Washington, Morris, Thropay. They both averaged over 15pt/g, both had above average A/TO ratios, team went 26-8/14-4 with no inside presence. Season #2 together, Taylor joined the fold and excelled as a Frosh with both Destiny and Mik on the floor. Destiny and Mik again both averaged almost 15pt/game, Taylor 12.3. And, both improved their A/TO ratios fairly dramatically, both almost 2:1. Again a pretty good season at 23-9/10-8 considering again only true post was Taylor with no depth behind her. As for Greta not meshing with TVO... and post play was more effective "moving away from her". OSU really had no post play for much of the season. KB the reluctant "4" was finally used more at the "5", and less wandering the wings. Was she more effective with Greta off the floor or simply playing the post more minutes? Jelena, who played 12.5 minutes a game was also made more effective somehow without Greta on the floor?? Let's see, Greta's last 20+ min game was LBSt... posts score 26 pts on 11/16 shooting vs small lineup with Greta playing 5 more min than TVO. Then Greta's minutes disappear... vs UP post play at 27 points on maybe a even smaller lineup on 12/21 shooting. Versus NM post play drops to 20 points on 10/16 shooting. Finally vs UCLA it is 18 pts on 9/15 Considering the game logs, the only real difference was the minutes played by Jelena and Kennedy specifically in the post. Plus, over the season only Tea and Taya had even reasonable A/TO ratios I'd say the team was overall very inefficient (458 A / 467 TO). You have to love the unprovable suppositions that justify the "we were better off her not playing".
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Post by blodgettbeaver on May 5, 2022 11:11:10 GMT -8
Can't have an assist if people don't make the shot or even worse do not take a shot. 42% shooting on only 1755 shot attempts for the season. During the guard heavy year we shot 47% on 2009 shots.
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Post by jdogge on May 5, 2022 12:24:28 GMT -8
She didn't think of the style of play before she signed on the dotted line? Due diligence wasn't part of the decision. Teenagers are unable to predict the consequences of their actions. She was 17 at the time. Stop putting adult expectations on her. It makes you look foolish.
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Post by beaverstever on May 5, 2022 12:38:57 GMT -8
She didn't think of the style of play before she signed on the dotted line? Due diligence wasn't part of the decision. Teenagers are unable to predict the consequences of their actions. She was 17 at the time. Stop putting adult expectations on her. It makes you look foolish. I hope this is tongue in cheek. If not, by your view teenagers should not be allowed to drive, go hunting, possess a pack of matches, get married, joint the military, or really do or possess anything that used incorrectly will have consequences. My preteen children are capable of this skill already, albeit a work in progress.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 5, 2022 12:41:39 GMT -8
Teenagers are unable to predict the consequences of their actions. She was 17 at the time. Stop putting adult expectations on her. It makes you look foolish. I hope this is tongue in cheek. If not, by your view teenagers should not be allowed to drive, go hunting, possess a pack of matches, get married, joint the military, or really do or possess anything that used incorrectly will have consequences. My preteen children are capable of this skill already, albeit a work in progress. I think the military still frowns on that.
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May 5, 2022 12:57:36 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on May 5, 2022 12:57:36 GMT -8
Teenagers are unable to predict the consequences of their actions. She was 17 at the time. Stop putting adult expectations on her. It makes you look foolish. I hope this is tongue in cheek. If not, by your view teenagers should not be allowed to drive, go hunting, possess a pack of matches, get married, joint the military, or really do or possess anything that used incorrectly will have consequences. My preteen children are capable of this skill already, albeit a work in progress. You have extraordinary children. Because if they were all like yours ... there would be no teen pregnancy; 16-25ers wouldn't be considered "high-risk" drivers and charged higher insurance premiums; they would understand that partying every weekend affects the grades negatively; would understand that committing rape upon a citizen non-combatant is a war crime and could [theoretically] lead to execution ...
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Post by 76spirit on May 5, 2022 15:01:24 GMT -8
Yo jdogge, With the advent of NIL and the portal, athletes and their parents are entering uncharted territories. The once imagined cocoon of the university has been altered dramatically. The new freedoms usher in different expectations. Financial demons are lurking with windfall apples.The NCAA opened gates it’s unable to monitor. If athletes are eager to enter these supposed greener pastures they can’t rest on naïveté to suffice. Time to put on your adult pants. With freedom comes responsibility.
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Post by beaverstever on May 5, 2022 15:12:23 GMT -8
I hope this is tongue in cheek. If not, by your view teenagers should not be allowed to drive, go hunting, possess a pack of matches, get married, joint the military, or really do or possess anything that used incorrectly will have consequences. My preteen children are capable of this skill already, albeit a work in progress. You have extraordinary children. Because if they were all like yours ... there would be no teen pregnancy; 16-25ers wouldn't be considered "high-risk" drivers and charged higher insurance premiums; they would understand that partying every weekend affects the grades negatively; would understand that committing rape upon a citizen non-combatant is a war crime and could [theoretically] lead to execution ... Yet somehow the vast majority of teenagers manage to not get pregnant, not kill somebody with a car, not flunk out of school, or don’t rape anybody. People both live up and down to what’s expected of them. I chose to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are capable of good decisions until proven otherwise.
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