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Greta
May 3, 2022 11:01:20 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on May 3, 2022 11:01:20 GMT -8
Some folks get it, some folks don't. Society will somehow carry on. Peace and love. Some people also get society may have changed just a bit since the 40's. But, you're correct... some get that, some don't. Lord, please protect us from Pearl Bailey. LOL.
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Greta
May 3, 2022 11:18:47 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on May 3, 2022 11:18:47 GMT -8
Some people also get society may have changed just a bit since the 40's. But, you're correct... some get that, some don't. Lord, please protect us from Pearl Bailey. LOL. LOL... first post/reply wasn't good enough and this was your edited "topper"? Now that's funny.
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Greta
May 3, 2022 11:22:25 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on May 3, 2022 11:22:25 GMT -8
Lord, please protect us from Pearl Bailey. LOL. LOL... first post/reply wasn't good enough and this was your edited "topper"? Now that's funny. You're welcome.
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Greta
May 3, 2022 15:34:42 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on May 3, 2022 15:34:42 GMT -8
I suppose our lack of transition offense explains her 26% 3 pt shooting in conference 🙄 About that 26%. You think moving the 3-pt shot line had something to do with that?
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Greta
May 3, 2022 16:36:56 GMT -8
Post by hoopheritic on May 3, 2022 16:36:56 GMT -8
I suppose our lack of transition offense explains her 26% 3 pt shooting in conference 🙄 About that 26%. You think moving the 3-pt shot line had something to do with that? This year's freshman class shot 3% below the last freshman class in a normal regular season (C/O '19) at the old 3 pt line with foreign players, who already were shooting from the FIBA line, are removed.
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Greta
May 3, 2022 20:31:16 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on May 3, 2022 20:31:16 GMT -8
About that 26%. You think moving the 3-pt shot line had something to do with that? This year's freshman class shot 3% below the last freshman class in a normal regular season (C/O '19) at the old 3 pt line with foreign players, who already were shooting from the FIBA line, are removed. Is the data national, Pac 12, or Osu?
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Post by beaverstever on May 3, 2022 22:08:11 GMT -8
About that 26%. You think moving the 3-pt shot line had something to do with that? This year's freshman class shot 3% below the last freshman class in a normal regular season (C/O '19) at the old 3 pt line with foreign players, who already were shooting from the FIBA line, are removed. I suspect it had more to do with Pac-12 defenses. She shot a solid 37% from 3 in non-conference.
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Greta
May 4, 2022 5:19:28 GMT -8
Post by hoopheritic on May 4, 2022 5:19:28 GMT -8
This year's freshman class shot 3% below the last freshman class in a normal regular season (C/O '19) at the old 3 pt line with foreign players, who already were shooting from the FIBA line, are removed. Is the data national, Pac 12, or Osu? That's national data
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Greta
May 4, 2022 6:24:34 GMT -8
Post by beaversrock on May 4, 2022 6:24:34 GMT -8
Also if you know basketball in a transition offense you get many more open looks versus the half court the Beavs play.
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Post by beaverstever on May 4, 2022 9:23:49 GMT -8
Also if you know basketball in a transition offense you get many more open looks versus the half court the Beavs play. Possibly, but she said “easy” buckets. OSU’s inside-out offense also produces open looks at 3s, so I read into her statement that she thinks her game will improve with more break-away and 3-on-two layup opportunities. This is true for every guard in the history of basketball. I personally think she’s fooling herself if she thinks it’s going to be easier to improve her average playing at Michigan. Sasha’s scoring average actually went slightly down at Arkansas, where they have a relatively wide-open offense. Her overall shooting average went up slightly there, but her 3pt shooting dropped 6%. So we will see, but IMO, a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game.
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Greta
May 4, 2022 10:08:18 GMT -8
Post by beaversrock on May 4, 2022 10:08:18 GMT -8
Open looks are not all 3s. Transition lay ins, mid-range, etc
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Greta
May 4, 2022 10:58:25 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on May 4, 2022 10:58:25 GMT -8
Also if you know basketball in a transition offense you get many more open looks versus the half court the Beavs play. Possibly, but she said “easy” buckets. OSU’s inside-out offense also produces open looks at 3s, so I read into her statement that she thinks her game will improve with more break-away and 3-on-two layup opportunities. This is true for every guard in the history of basketball. I personally think she’s fooling herself if she thinks it’s going to be easier to improve her average playing at Michigan. Sasha’s scoring average actually went slightly down at Arkansas, where they have a relatively wide-open offense. Her overall shooting average went up slightly there, but her 3pt shooting dropped 6%. So we will see, but IMO, a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game. Funny, so what's wrong with Greta's game that consistent playing time in a more open system will not solve? SR's team this was stagnant, predicable, and quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury. It's funny to me that several posters lauded her as a recruit and then when she leaves disparage her game. Funny, she shot the 3 better than TC!! She plays better D than TVO by a long shot. But, she was on a revolving door regarding playing time even though she was much more talented than two of the grad transfers. She and AJ deserved much more PT. And, I guess a team coming off a S16 and E8 runs, averaging 22 Ws over the last 10 years doesn't find she's lacking too badly.
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Post by 411500 on May 4, 2022 11:26:08 GMT -8
I'm one of those observers who have trouble assessing Greta's overall game and her down the line prospects. All things considered I wish she had stayed with the Beavs.
She has many plusses to her game, and I think she is a player who will get better with maturity, and as she compensates for her limitations and maximizes her strengths. Rueck was demanding of her in a way a coach is demanding of someone he sees playing an important role in the years ahead.
It's guesswork on my part, but I'd bet Rueck wishes she would have stayed with the program. She's got quite a bit of upside. She passes the eye test. She's a worker.
Personally, she drove me crazy this year because I was one of those fans who expected much better results from her. I expected her 3 to be stronger and more consistent. I expected her slash game to be stronger and more efficient. I expected her "muscle" game to be more developed.
Rueck shoulders most of the blame for my having high expectations for Greta because he was overly effusive in his praise of her game. Far beyond usual coach-speak praise. He could have been more tempered. No need to hype the hell out of a kid who has already signed and never taken the floor.
Bottom line: I wish Greta would have stayed at OSU; I think she will play better next year whether at Michigan or any other major school because she's got the nuclear ingredients to be a good player.
Since baseball is on our minds, Greta reminds me of a kid about who the batting coach says: "He's not hitting well this year, but he's got a good eye, he's got a good stroke, he's got power. He's gonna be a good hitter down the line." GO BEAVS!!
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Post by beaverstever on May 4, 2022 11:51:04 GMT -8
Possibly, but she said “easy” buckets. OSU’s inside-out offense also produces open looks at 3s, so I read into her statement that she thinks her game will improve with more break-away and 3-on-two layup opportunities. This is true for every guard in the history of basketball. I personally think she’s fooling herself if she thinks it’s going to be easier to improve her average playing at Michigan. Sasha’s scoring average actually went slightly down at Arkansas, where they have a relatively wide-open offense. Her overall shooting average went up slightly there, but her 3pt shooting dropped 6%. So we will see, but IMO, a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game. Funny, so what's wrong with Greta's game that consistent playing time in a more open system will not solve? SR's team this was stagnant, predicable, and quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury. It's funny to me that several posters lauded her as a recruit and then when she leaves disparage her game. Funny, she shot the 3 better than TC!! She plays better D than TVO by a long shot. But, she was on a revolving door regarding playing time even though she was much more talented than two of the grad transfers. She and AJ deserved much more PT. And, I guess a team coming off a S16 and E8 runs, averaging 22 Ws over the last 10 years doesn't find she's lacking too badly. I’m not sure what I said was disparaging. I wanted her back and better next year. She didn’t play up to what most expected of her, and that certainly includes herself. The only thing I’m questioning is that she will blossom at Michigan vs OSU. She won’t find the basket any bigger, and likely the defenders any easier to get around or shoot over. Taya - and most of the team in general - shot terribly this year. Taya’s 3pt stats in conference were red light territory. Was that due to a stagnant offense? Maybe, but a lot of open looks were missed in my recollection. Rueck’s system has previously really gotten the best out of somewhat limited players, and optimized good ones. It turned Maria and Aleah into WNBA picks that came out if nowhere based on where they started. So I have trouble grasping why it now muffles the skill of other talent. Both Destiny and then Sasha thought they’d do better in a different system, and their subsequent stats were virtually identical at Ark. So I just think blaming Rueck’s system lacks any merit.
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Greta
May 4, 2022 12:15:44 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on May 4, 2022 12:15:44 GMT -8
Funny, so what's wrong with Greta's game that consistent playing time in a more open system will not solve? SR's team this was stagnant, predicable, and quite frankly underachieving even with TJ's injury. It's funny to me that several posters lauded her as a recruit and then when she leaves disparage her game. Funny, she shot the 3 better than TC!! She plays better D than TVO by a long shot. But, she was on a revolving door regarding playing time even though she was much more talented than two of the grad transfers. She and AJ deserved much more PT. And, I guess a team coming off a S16 and E8 runs, averaging 22 Ws over the last 10 years doesn't find she's lacking too badly. I’m not sure what I said was disparaging. I wanted her back and better next year. She didn’t play up to what most expected of her, and that certainly includes herself. The only thing I’m questioning is that she will blossom at Michigan vs OSU. She won’t find the basket any bigger, and likely the defenders any easier to get around or shoot over. Taya - and most of the team in general - shot terribly this year. Taya’s 3pt stats in conference were red light territory. Was that due to a stagnant offense? Maybe, but a lot of open looks were missed in my recollection. Rueck’s system has previously really gotten the best out of somewhat limited players, and optimized good ones. It turned Maria and Aleah into WNBA picks that came out if nowhere based on where they started. So I have trouble grasping why it now muffles the skill of other talent. Both Destiny and then Sasha thought they’d do better in a different system, and their subsequent stats were virtually identical at Ark. So I just think blaming Rueck’s system lacks any merit. Even lacking more merit... stating Greta's game suddenly is the issue... that's SR's system is not at issue whatsoever. Blaming underperforming on a true Frosh coming into D1 ball, then stating her game is lacking ( a change of style won’t fix what ails Greta’s game) and it will not be solved at UM isn't disparaging? OK. When the entire surrounding cast also underperformed, OSU being on a steady downhill slope, having lost 4 of it's last 5 elite recruits... that's on Greta's game lacking?? Hmmm... losing multiple top tier recruits may be the norm at schools with a roster FULL of such players, but OSU is not that school. Whatever reasoning some fans want to use, SR needs to adjust to the landscape and quickly. Lower echelon Pac12 teams have surpassed OSU. None of the top tier teams are falling off. The current state of the roster is highly dependent on several true frosh excelling in D1 ball or OSU stays in the bottom half of the Pac12.
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