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Post by beaverstever on Apr 21, 2022 21:45:49 GMT -8
Last four in for 2023: www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30423107/ncaa-women-bracketology-2023-women-college-basketball-projections. Timing-wise, his prediction would have come after Bindu's commitment. I was just thinking that without Bindu, we'd have exactly two player (TvO and Jelena) on the roster next year who has played in the NCAA tourney - without looking, that has to be by far the least experience on a roster that Rueck's had for a long time. Mannen played a few garbage minutes vs. FSU, but I'm not counting that. It makes getting a player with Bindu's experience a lot more critical should next years team get that far. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 21, 2022 21:58:40 GMT -8
Did Charlie post who would be the vice presidential nominee of the Republican party next election? How about the winner of the 2023 Kentucky Derby? His opinions on those today would be just as valuable and meaningful as are his hoops picks for 11 months from now.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Apr 22, 2022 6:12:59 GMT -8
I think Charlie Creme is like a weather forecaster - paid to prognosticate not get it right. He can guess for the next 10 months -every week- and still get his paycheck. During the Pac-12 tournament is when his guesses are a bit more 'valuable'.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 22, 2022 8:06:39 GMT -8
I think Charlie Creme is like a weather forecaster - paid to prognosticate not get it right. He can guess for the next 10 months -every week- and still get his paycheck. During the Pac-12 tournament is when his guesses are a bit more 'valuable'. I certainly recognize that and agree with what you say. And if somebody's willing to pay Charlie in April for his predictions about what will happen in March - and then pay him again in May, and June, and July... - then good for Charlie. I'd take the money too. The weather forecaster, however, deals in the here and now, not on what the weather will be on March 5, 2023. The Farmer's Almanac might try to do that. Those are the pages in the almanac most likely to be put to other purposes in the little building with the crescent moon on the door. |
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Post by sparty on Apr 22, 2022 8:49:49 GMT -8
Did Charlie post who would be the vice presidential nominee of the Republican party next election? How about the winner of the 2023 Kentucky Derby? His opinions on those today would be just as valuable and meaningful as are his hoops picks for 11 months from now. I did use his megabucks numbers in Saturdays drawing |
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 22, 2022 9:37:23 GMT -8
Charlie Creme is the best known prognosticator for WBB's postseason at-large bids. The fact that he sees OSU being in the mix next year is a big deal, since we're actively recruiting players with one year of eligibility left. Had OSU not been listed would lend credence to those recruiting against OSU and pointing to our NIT postseason. At least now a player can see their addition our rosters as enabling moving us off the bubble and safely into a good seed - I understand it's just one man's opinion, but it's the one most listened to on this topic.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 22, 2022 12:10:33 GMT -8
I enjoy these prognosticators (and fans) who make early predictions, so if you have them, I'd love to hear them. I also have respect for Charlie Creme, but the current 9 players the Beavs have does not equal an NCAA tourney team. There is time to add talent to the Beavs roster. I expect a minimum of 2 more and hope the team has around 13 players going into fall. When we find out who those additions are, we will know much better how good the chances are for the NCAA tournament.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 22, 2022 13:53:31 GMT -8
I enjoy these prognosticators (and fans) who make early predictions, so if you have them, I'd love to hear them. I also have respect for Charlie Creme, but the current 9 players the Beavs have does not equal an NCAA tourney team. There is time to add talent to the Beavs roster. I expect a minimum of 2 more and hope the team has around 13 players going into fall. When we find out who those additions are, we will know much better how good the chances are for the NCAA tournament. As a fan prognosticator  , I do think the roster as-is will be a tourney team. The main reason I believe that is because a lot of WBB players who are good enough to start as freshman have typical career years as freshman - especially for players that come in with fully developed skills and bodies. In fact, I'd argue (based on what's in my memory) that it's less common for all-Pac players to see huge development during the college years like we saw with Marie and Ruth vs. those that come in playing near that level. This is actually largely what we've seen of late at OSU; Taya, Taylor and Kennedy all kept putting up very similar numbers to their freshman years. It's pretty common to see that with players who come in good enough to start as freshman stay around that level, and even regress later in their career (i.e. Prince, Pili some examples of the latter). So my point is that I believe our two bigs coming in are good enough to start on a Pac-12 team, and could very well be playing at their career level right out of the gate (maybe even likely to be). If they indeed do that, we add them to two proven Pac-12 starters on the roster (one being all-Pac-12). The two bigs coming in that are are considered top 20 in the nation in what looks to be a very strong class. I believe both of them will be all-Pac-12 players at some point in their career, and the aforementioned trend would say that if they do, they are likely to be playing at that level right away. With those assumptions, we'd need 3-4 more players at minimum to provide quality minutes. We already know AJ and Jelena can provide some of that, and even Mannen to a lesser degree. And while I think Hansford is going to need time to develop physically before she'd see significant minutes, I could see Adlee being able to handle some load right away, assuming fully healthy. So while I don't think the roster with no additions can challenge the upper 1/3rd of the Pac-12, I do not think it's a stretch at all that it's a bubble team. |
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Post by jefframp on Apr 23, 2022 6:30:37 GMT -8
Whenever I hear the name Charlie Creme mentioned I get hungry for doughnuts. I have no idea why that is so.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 23, 2022 8:36:27 GMT -8
I enjoy these prognosticators (and fans) who make early predictions, so if you have them, I'd love to hear them. I also have respect for Charlie Creme, but the current 9 players the Beavs have does not equal an NCAA tourney team. There is time to add talent to the Beavs roster. I expect a minimum of 2 more and hope the team has around 13 players going into fall. When we find out who those additions are, we will know much better how good the chances are for the NCAA tournament. As a fan prognosticator , I do think the roster as-is will be a tourney team. The main reason I believe that is because a lot of WBB players who are good enough to start as freshman have typical career years as freshman - especially for players that come in with fully developed skills and bodies. In fact, I'd argue (based on what's in my memory) that it's less common for all-Pac players to see huge development during the college years like we saw with Marie and Ruth vs. those that come in playing near that level. This is actually largely what we've seen of late at OSU; Taya, Taylor and Kennedy all kept putting up very similar numbers to their freshman years. It's pretty common to see that with players who come in good enough to start as freshman stay around that level, and even regress later in their career (i.e. Prince, Pili some examples of the latter). So my point is that I believe our two bigs coming in are good enough to start on a Pac-12 team, and could very well be playing at their career level right out of the gate (maybe even likely to be). If they indeed do that, we add them to two proven Pac-12 starters on the roster (one being all-Pac-12). The two bigs coming in that are are considered top 20 in the nation in what looks to be a very strong class. I believe both of them will be all-Pac-12 players at some point in their career, and the aforementioned trend would say that if they do, they are likely to be playing at that level right away. With those assumptions, we'd need 3-4 more players at minimum to provide quality minutes. We already know AJ and Jelena can provide some of that, and even Mannen to a lesser degree. And while I think Hansford is going to need time to develop physically before she'd see significant minutes, I could see Adlee being able to handle some load right away, assuming fully healthy. So while I don't think the roster with no additions can challenge the upper 1/3rd of the Pac-12, I do not think it's a stretch at all that it's a bubble team. I love your optimism, but for what your you say to come true, every aspect would have to go perfectly. Tamia and Raegan would have to be near perfect from the start. Bendu would need to have her best year. One of the freshman perimeter players would need to play big minutes and be a 3pt threat. Everyone would need to remain healthy (when was the last time that happened?), Jelena and Greta would need to make huge gains, etc. I'd love to see that happen. Truth is, we will never know for sure because the chances of this being the 'roster' this fall are slim. I'd expect a minimum of 2 more additions, and possibly 3-4 more. An addition of one more big and one more guard could really make a difference. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 23, 2022 9:04:09 GMT -8
As a fan prognosticator , I do think the roster as-is will be a tourney team. The main reason I believe that is because a lot of WBB players who are good enough to start as freshman have typical career years as freshman - especially for players that come in with fully developed skills and bodies. In fact, I'd argue (based on what's in my memory) that it's less common for all-Pac players to see huge development during the college years like we saw with Marie and Ruth vs. those that come in playing near that level. This is actually largely what we've seen of late at OSU; Taya, Taylor and Kennedy all kept putting up very similar numbers to their freshman years. It's pretty common to see that with players who come in good enough to start as freshman stay around that level, and even regress later in their career (i.e. Prince, Pili some examples of the latter). So my point is that I believe our two bigs coming in are good enough to start on a Pac-12 team, and could very well be playing at their career level right out of the gate (maybe even likely to be). If they indeed do that, we add them to two proven Pac-12 starters on the roster (one being all-Pac-12). The two bigs coming in that are are considered top 20 in the nation in what looks to be a very strong class. I believe both of them will be all-Pac-12 players at some point in their career, and the aforementioned trend would say that if they do, they are likely to be playing at that level right away. With those assumptions, we'd need 3-4 more players at minimum to provide quality minutes. We already know AJ and Jelena can provide some of that, and even Mannen to a lesser degree. And while I think Hansford is going to need time to develop physically before she'd see significant minutes, I could see Adlee being able to handle some load right away, assuming fully healthy. So while I don't think the roster with no additions can challenge the upper 1/3rd of the Pac-12, I do not think it's a stretch at all that it's a bubble team. I love your optimism, but for what your you say to come true, every aspect would have to go perfectly. Tamia and Raegan would have to be near perfect from the start. Bendu would need to have her best year. One of the freshman perimeter players would need to play big minutes and be a 3pt threat. Everyone would need to remain healthy (when was the last time that happened?), Jelena and Greta would need to make huge gains, etc. I'd love to see that happen. Truth is, we will never know for sure because the chances of this being the 'roster' this fall are slim. I'd expect a minimum of 2 more additions, and possibly 3-4 more. An addition of one more big and one more guard could really make a difference. I don't really care of Greta makes huge gains. I'd much rather that AJ does |
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Post by greybeav on Apr 23, 2022 9:54:39 GMT -8
"I don't really care if Greta makes huge gains. I'd much rather that AJ does" Good point, Rmancarl is usually very accurate, but let's assume it was sleep deprivation Yeah, I wish Greta well, but AJ is what he meant I am sure. At the end of the season she was "cranking it up", I'm hoping for a more of that , fearless, using that athleticism to the max. |
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 23, 2022 10:33:23 GMT -8
I think AJ will have a great career at OSU but right now her greatest asset is the energy she brings off of the bench. She's got some great hops in those legs, if she can just learn to accurately shoot when she's skying she's going to be an unstoppable scorer.
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 23, 2022 16:24:54 GMT -8
I love your optimism, but for what your you say to come true, every aspect would have to go perfectly. Tamia and Raegan would have to be near perfect from the start. Bendu would need to have her best year. One of the freshman perimeter players would need to play big minutes and be a 3pt threat. Everyone would need to remain healthy (when was the last time that happened?), Jelena and Greta would need to make huge gains, etc. I'd love to see that happen. Truth is, we will never know for sure because the chances of this being the 'roster' this fall are slim. I'd expect a minimum of 2 more additions, and possibly 3-4 more. An addition of one more big and one more guard could really make a difference. I don't really care of Greta makes huge gains. I'd much rather that AJ does Sorry, I meant Jelena and AJ, not Greta. |
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 25, 2022 15:36:23 GMT -8
As a fan prognosticator , I do think the roster as-is will be a tourney team. The main reason I believe that is because a lot of WBB players who are good enough to start as freshman have typical career years as freshman - especially for players that come in with fully developed skills and bodies. In fact, I'd argue (based on what's in my memory) that it's less common for all-Pac players to see huge development during the college years like we saw with Marie and Ruth vs. those that come in playing near that level. This is actually largely what we've seen of late at OSU; Taya, Taylor and Kennedy all kept putting up very similar numbers to their freshman years. It's pretty common to see that with players who come in good enough to start as freshman stay around that level, and even regress later in their career (i.e. Prince, Pili some examples of the latter). So my point is that I believe our two bigs coming in are good enough to start on a Pac-12 team, and could very well be playing at their career level right out of the gate (maybe even likely to be). If they indeed do that, we add them to two proven Pac-12 starters on the roster (one being all-Pac-12). The two bigs coming in that are are considered top 20 in the nation in what looks to be a very strong class. I believe both of them will be all-Pac-12 players at some point in their career, and the aforementioned trend would say that if they do, they are likely to be playing at that level right away. With those assumptions, we'd need 3-4 more players at minimum to provide quality minutes. We already know AJ and Jelena can provide some of that, and even Mannen to a lesser degree. And while I think Hansford is going to need time to develop physically before she'd see significant minutes, I could see Adlee being able to handle some load right away, assuming fully healthy. So while I don't think the roster with no additions can challenge the upper 1/3rd of the Pac-12, I do not think it's a stretch at all that it's a bubble team. I love your optimism, but for what your you say to come true, every aspect would have to go perfectly. Tamia and Raegan would have to be near perfect from the start. Bendu would need to have her best year. One of the freshman perimeter players would need to play big minutes and be a 3pt threat. Everyone would need to remain healthy (when was the last time that happened?), Jelena and Greta would need to make huge gains, etc. I'd love to see that happen. Truth is, we will never know for sure because the chances of this being the 'roster' this fall are slim. I'd expect a minimum of 2 more additions, and possibly 3-4 more. An addition of one more big and one more guard could really make a difference. I guess I don't see it as really that optimistic. Some HS players are highly rated based on potential, while others are there because they are dominant now. There's a pretty common belief that Kiki Rice is going to make a lot of noise next year in the Pac-12 (which I agree with). Yet Gardiner was named the MVP for her team when she played together (as was Betts, Nnaji, and others likely to make noise next year in conference). Some highly-righted freshman struggling to adapt to D1 (Greta) but others level their game (TvO). Even some of the nations best (i.e. Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers) could struggle to match their frosh stats the rest of their careers. Bottom line, I will be surprised if either Beers or Gardiner are overwhelmed by the rigors of the Pac-12. |
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, I do think the roster as-is will be a tourney team. The main reason I believe that is because a lot of WBB players who are good enough to start as freshman have typical career years as freshman - especially for players that come in with fully developed skills and bodies. In fact, I'd argue (based on what's in my memory) that it's less common for all-Pac players to see huge development during the college years like we saw with Marie and Ruth vs. those that come in playing near that level. 
