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Post by chinmusic on Apr 7, 2022 20:20:54 GMT -8
In revisiting the productiviy issue with the bottom of the Beaver's batting order, I was hoping to see some progress. I was not sucessful. Our 7-8-9 hole hitters continue to struggle with contributing much to to our offense. I looked at the 3 game series with Stanford and the mid week game with Portland. In those 4 games the bottom of the order generated this slash line;
,087/ .152/ .174
Those are dismal numbers, well south of the Mendoza line. In the 4 games mentioned, the Beavs used 8 players in the bottom of the batting order. McDowell, Dukhart, Derneddee, Guerra, Trosky, Fuchs, Gretler, and Kasper. Some stats; BOG = Bottom of Order Group.
BOG made 51 plate appearances. They had 2 BB, 1 HBP, 1 Sac Fly, and 1 Sac bunt, hence 46 official ABs.
OSU put 68.6% of batted balls in their their AB's in play (BBIP), their BABBIP was .114.
In 46 official AB, the Beavs had 4 hits, a single, 2 doubles and a triple.
In the 46 official ABs, the BOG struck out 13 times - 8 swinging, 5 called.
The BOG struck out once every 3.92 appearances at the plate
The BOG walked or was HBP every 17.0 appearances at the plate.
The BB:K ratio was 4.3:1
Of the 33 BBIP, 2 were pop ups, 12 were fly outs, 15 were ground outs and 4 were base hits.
The BOG left 18 runners on base.
That will have to improve dramatically if the Beavers are to meet their season goals - Region-Super-Omaha. Pitching improves in the post season, starting with the PAC-12 tournament.
What options do we have? Is there a turn key solution waiting to to be activated? We miss Wheeler, I wish we knew more about his healing progress. Will one bat get hot and lift the BOG like Tanner Smith did earlier?
Speak!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 8, 2022 7:13:29 GMT -8
Dernedde has actually been decent outa that bunch, and his glove is just so good at SS, he's a no-brainer. Trosky and Guerra are the future, but they play like true freshman. Gretler, oh Gretler.....he was sposed to be a better hitter than his bro....so far he's not living up to it. Dukart is a ground out machine with the occasional drive. McDowell has improved a bit, but I just dont see him developing into a consistent hitter at this level. Kasper, I dunno....has had limited opps and had a couple big hits, and also looked out-matched.
As the season goes on I'd like to see Gretler establish himself at 3rd cuz he's the best defender. I still hold out hope he can harness some of the Gretler magic that we saw with Michael. Next season I'd bet on Guerra at 3rd, and Trosky at SS.
Wheeler is a wildcard. He started off hot, but with the eye injury, could his playing days be done? At least this season?
Fuchs has moments, and he may continue to platoon in left and DH.....like to see more consistency though.
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 8, 2022 7:41:39 GMT -8
Will be interesting if Canham willing to DH either Logan or Smith if the other is catching....that could help a lot
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Post by Bodhisattva on Apr 8, 2022 8:40:48 GMT -8
Will be interesting if Canham willing to DH either Logan or Smith if the other is catching....that could help a lot I think that is definitely on the table. Hopefully Logan gets better soon. Personally I would DH Logan or Smith and sometimes Fuchs, then have Guerra at 3rd with Dernedde at short. Guerra was having a great stretch and then had a horrid game. It's just so hard for those bottom guys to get anytime type of rhythm when you play once a week or less. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 8, 2022 10:46:13 GMT -8
Will be interesting if Canham willing to DH either Logan or Smith if the other is catching....that could help a lot Yea I think it's a no-brainer to get both these guys bats in the lineup once Logan's ankle is good to go. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 8, 2022 10:56:00 GMT -8
Will be interesting if Canham willing to DH either Logan or Smith if the other is catching....that could help a lot Yea I think it's a no-brainer to get both these guys bats in the lineup once Logan's ankle is good to go. It is, IF you have a 3rd catching option. If one or the other gets hurt as the C, then the DH moves to C, OSU loses the DH role and it becomes a 9 player lineup, with their pitcher(s) having to hit in the spot of the injured catcher. That could be risky when Logan is recovering from the ankle. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 8, 2022 11:00:19 GMT -8
Yea I think it's a no-brainer to get both these guys bats in the lineup once Logan's ankle is good to go. It is, IF you have a 3rd catching option. If one or the other gets hurt as the C, then the DH moves to C, OSU loses the DH role and it becomes a 9 player lineup, with their pitcher(s) having to hit in the spot of the injured catcher. That could be risky when Logan is recovering from the ankle. Risk it for the biscuit! |
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 8, 2022 11:48:44 GMT -8
Yea I think it's a no-brainer to get both these guys bats in the lineup once Logan's ankle is good to go. It is, IF you have a 3rd catching option. If one or the other gets hurt as the C, then the DH moves to C, OSU loses the DH role and it becomes a 9 player lineup, with their pitcher(s) having to hit in the spot of the injured catcher. That could be risky when Logan is recovering from the ankle. Yeah, I hear you, it's a bit risky....but we have plenty of hitters to pinch hit with on the bench and it only usually takes 1 (maybe 2 at the most) double switches to get you through a game if you had that happen anyway....and we've been doing whatever we are doing now with Logan hurt anyway. Feels worth the risk to get the bat in the lineup |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 8, 2022 12:00:15 GMT -8
It is, IF you have a 3rd catching option. If one or the other gets hurt as the C, then the DH moves to C, OSU loses the DH role and it becomes a 9 player lineup, with their pitcher(s) having to hit in the spot of the injured catcher. That could be risky when Logan is recovering from the ankle. Yeah, I hear you, it's a bit risky....but we have plenty of hitters to pinch hit with on the bench and it only usually takes 1 (maybe 2 at the most) double switches to get you through a game if you had that happen anyway....and we've been doing whatever we are doing now with Logan hurt anyway. Feels worth the risk to get the bat in the lineup It's a way to go... but, if you have a guy on the hill that is dealing, in the groove you do not want to have to yank him. Could always waste an out and have them bunt/attempt depending on the situation without having to pull a guy. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 8, 2022 12:04:55 GMT -8
I like Gretler in the field, but his BA has plummeted. I also like that he has the power to send the long ball, but he also accumulates the Ks.
Guerra needs more patience at the plate. He strikes out about half of the time. So he's not the answer, yet.
Trosky has more hits than strikeouts right now, so maybe playing him and Dernedde together is the way to go for a stretch. Dernedde has the same number of hits as he does strikeouts. And he showed a little improvement a few games back. Plus, we're better with him in the field.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 8, 2022 13:18:16 GMT -8
I like Gretler in the field, but his BA has plummeted. I also like that he has the power to send the long ball, but he also accumulates the Ks. Guerra needs more patience at the plate. He strikes out about half of the time. So he's not the answer, yet. Trosky has more hits than strikeouts right now, so maybe playing him and Dernedde together is the way to go for a stretch. Dernedde has the same number of hits as he does strikeouts. And he showed a little improvement a few games back. Plus, we're better with him in the field. I'd agree even more if Trosky could play 3B. His arm a fielding at SS aren't what I'd like vs KD. Plus he needs to get rid of his glove pump habit. He's made several routine plays close. Overall OSU is back to striking out too often. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 8, 2022 13:37:39 GMT -8
I like Gretler in the field, but his BA has plummeted. I also like that he has the power to send the long ball, but he also accumulates the Ks. Guerra needs more patience at the plate. He strikes out about half of the time. So he's not the answer, yet. Trosky has more hits than strikeouts right now, so maybe playing him and Dernedde together is the way to go for a stretch. Dernedde has the same number of hits as he does strikeouts. And he showed a little improvement a few games back. Plus, we're better with him in the field. I'd agree even more if Trosky could play 3B. His arm a fielding at SS aren't what I'd like vs KD. Plus he needs to get rid of his glove pump habit. He's made several routine plays close. Overall OSU is back to striking out too often. I agree, mostly. Trosky is a bit of a drop off at short, unfortunately. I also wonder if he'd be good at third. I'd like the third baseman to have a little power, though. It's why I favor Gretler in that position. He's good with the glove and can connect, though not so much recently. |
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 8, 2022 13:47:12 GMT -8
Trosky at 2B, Bazzana at 3B?
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 8, 2022 15:52:19 GMT -8
I like Gretler in the field, but his BA has plummeted. I also like that he has the power to send the long ball, but he also accumulates the Ks. Guerra needs more patience at the plate. He strikes out about half of the time. So he's not the answer, yet. Trosky has more hits than strikeouts right now, so maybe playing him and Dernedde together is the way to go for a stretch. Dernedde has the same number of hits as he does strikeouts. And he showed a little improvement a few games back. Plus, we're better with him in the field. I'd agree even more if Trosky could play 3B. His arm a fielding at SS aren't what I'd like vs KD. Plus he needs to get rid of his glove pump habit. He's made several routine plays close. Overall OSU is back to striking out too often. It looks to me that all have some sort of double clutch. Hard grounder to short and the throw gets there a half step before the runner. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 8, 2022 16:19:59 GMT -8
I saw 100* forecast for parts of LA today, that ought to heat up the bats at both ends of the order.
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