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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 31, 2022 10:07:59 GMT -8
I get what you are saying, but I don't see anyone else that needs to portal out this year. The team is down to 10, all who have something to contribute, and all (except maybe Noelle), have enough skills that they may play major roles the next few years. In my mind though, portaling (using your word) in this year is a necessity if SR wants to get back to a top 20 team this fall. If the Beavs bring in players with similar abilities as Adams and Codding (whom I very much appreciate their help to the team this year), the chances of the Beavs being top 20 are remote. That would mean you are relying on player development, and your freshman (particularly Adlee and Lily to be better than expected). The fact that the freshman this year didn't contribute enough, hurt the Beavs top 20 opportunities this past season. If the Beavs don't return to the top 20 this year, it only makes it more difficult to return in future years. Again, this is the way I see it, but apparently SR doesn't give a flying 'f' what I think. I can't believe he doesn't value my opinion! Oh well, I'm going to go on a world wide search to find someone, anyone, who does care enough to give a flying 'f". Wish me luck! My opinion of Noelle as a Pac-12 caliber player has raised significantly this season. Is she a starter or a potential All-Pac-12 HM candidate? Probably not. But can she come in and play reliably and shoot with confidence and accuracy? Yes. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about her ability to fill a "major role" on the team since that's a pretty broad term. But she's a capable off-the-bench player and contributor at this level. And I might not have said that at the start of the season. One thing I noticed this season about Noelle is that as the season went on and she got playing she definitely improved to the point that during the wnit she gave solid minutes. Her passing was much improved to where she was an asset on the court.
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Post by hoopheritic on Mar 31, 2022 10:30:14 GMT -8
I get what you are saying, but I don't see anyone else that needs to portal out this year. The team is down to 10, all who have something to contribute, and all (except maybe Noelle), have enough skills that they may play major roles the next few years. In my mind though, portaling (using your word) in this year is a necessity if SR wants to get back to a top 20 team this fall. If the Beavs bring in players with similar abilities as Adams and Codding (whom I very much appreciate their help to the team this year), the chances of the Beavs being top 20 are remote. That would mean you are relying on player development, and your freshman (particularly Adlee and Lily to be better than expected). The fact that the freshman this year didn't contribute enough, hurt the Beavs top 20 opportunities this past season. If the Beavs don't return to the top 20 this year, it only makes it more difficult to return in future years. Again, this is the way I see it, but apparently SR doesn't give a flying 'f' what I think. I can't believe he doesn't value my opinion! Oh well, I'm going to go on a world wide search to find someone, anyone, who does care enough to give a flying 'f". Wish me luck! My opinion of Noelle as a Pac-12 caliber player has raised significantly this season. Is she a starter or a potential All-Pac-12 HM candidate? Probably not. But can she come in and play reliably and shoot with confidence and accuracy? Yes. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about her ability to fill a "major role" on the team since that's a pretty broad term. But she's a capable off-the-bench player and contributor at this level. And I might not have said that at the start of the season. You can only play what you can defend. As soon as she is playing enough to register on a scouting report for a team she will quickly be exploited.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 31, 2022 10:51:38 GMT -8
My opinion of Noelle as a Pac-12 caliber player has raised significantly this season. Is she a starter or a potential All-Pac-12 HM candidate? Probably not. But can she come in and play reliably and shoot with confidence and accuracy? Yes. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about her ability to fill a "major role" on the team since that's a pretty broad term. But she's a capable off-the-bench player and contributor at this level. And I might not have said that at the start of the season. You can only play what you can defend. As soon as she is playing enough to register on a scouting report for a team she will quickly be exploited. "You can only play what you can defend". Can you expand on that?
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Post by hoopheritic on Mar 31, 2022 12:19:19 GMT -8
You can only play what you can defend. As soon as she is playing enough to register on a scouting report for a team she will quickly be exploited. "You can only play what you can defend". Can you expand on that? It's a timeless basketball axiom. It means the limiting factor for any player for level or position is whether or not they can defend at that level and/or position. Jelena can't play the 4 through1 because she can't defend in space as an example. Add to that the fact that you can't learn to be more genetically gifted (taller/stronger/faster) there's always going to be a ceiling and that ceiling surfaces on the defensive end. Whereas on offense you can hide weaknesses and play to strengths both as a team and as an individual.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 31, 2022 13:14:10 GMT -8
Maybe should give it another season or two, but to my eye it's becoming obvious that Rueck is one of those coaches who was more successful with unheralded recruits than he was once his recruiting profile started improving. It's paradoxical, but he's certainly not the first this has happened to.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 31, 2022 14:10:44 GMT -8
"You can only play what you can defend". Can you expand on that? It's a timeless basketball axiom. It means the limiting factor for any player for level or position is whether or not they can defend at that level and/or position. Jelena can't play the 4 through1 because she can't defend in space as an example. Add to that the fact that you can't learn to be more genetically gifted (taller/stronger/faster) there's always going to be a ceiling and that ceiling surfaces on the defensive end. Whereas on offense you can hide weaknesses and play to strengths both as a team and as an individual. Thanks.
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Post by sparty on Mar 31, 2022 14:15:10 GMT -8
Maybe should give it another season or two, but to my eye it's becoming obvious that Rueck is one of those coaches who was more successful with unheralded recruits than he was once his recruiting profile started improving. It's paradoxical, but he's certainly not the first this has happened to. Or maybe everyone has gotten better and closed the gap?
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 31, 2022 15:15:44 GMT -8
Maybe should give it another season or two, but to my eye it's becoming obvious that Rueck is one of those coaches who was more successful with unheralded recruits than he was once his recruiting profile started improving. It's paradoxical, but he's certainly not the first this has happened to. Or maybe everyone has gotten better and closed the gap? Some have gotten better, some have gotten worse, some have stayed about the same. Since OSU's best years, Stanford is obviously resurgent. Arizona has come from nowhere. Washington fell off a cliff. Cal went from mediocre to terrible. Utah and Colorado a bit better? Oregon surged past OSU w/ Ionescu and company, but have fallen quite a bit since then. UCLA certainly hasn't been better than they were when they had Canada and Billings. USC just keeps stumbling along like they always do, although they just had their worst year in forever.. Arizona St. has been downtrending even sharper than OSU. So 'everyone has gotten better" isn't even slightly close to true for the Pac 12 teams.
If you look at the player development w/ players earlier in Rueck's tenure, then the development since he started getting McD AAs regularly...something changed.
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Post by sparty on Mar 31, 2022 19:19:27 GMT -8
Or maybe everyone has gotten better and closed the gap? Some have gotten better, some have gotten worse, some have stayed about the same. Since OSU's best years, Stanford is obviously resurgent. Arizona has come from nowhere. Washington fell off a cliff. Cal went from mediocre to terrible. Utah and Colorado a bit better? Oregon surged past OSU w/ Ionescu and company, but have fallen quite a bit since then. UCLA certainly hasn't been better than they were when they had Canada and Billings. USC just keeps stumbling along like they always do, although they just had their worst year in forever.. Arizona St. has been downtrending even sharper than OSU. So 'everyone has gotten better" isn't even slightly close to true for the Pac 12 teams.
If you look at the player development w/ players earlier in Rueck's tenure, then the development since he started getting McD AAs regularly...something changed.
So we have gotten worse must be the answer because not finishing 1st or 2nd tends to indicate that as well as not making THE ncaa tourney.
As Judge Smails might possibly say the WNIT does not equal the NCAA tourney no matter how hard it is spinned. To say that the conference is not better over all than five or six years ago just feeds into the East coast thinking.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 1, 2022 11:11:48 GMT -8
You solicited responses. You got mine. I’m more than pleased to have that thing call me wrong. Thanks.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Apr 1, 2022 15:07:11 GMT -8
I bet he has a much better chance to get it done than any of us.
The last two seasons have been totally screwed up, first by covid and then by the ncaa. I'm not sure when we will get over the covid issues and I'm not sure we will ever get over the ncaa problems.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 2, 2022 4:17:08 GMT -8
With the way the portal is now, I think recruiting classes should all be 3-4 players. Most years we’ll probably have at least 2-3 transfer out, but we’ll have a more full roster and won’t need to depend so heavily on the portal to make up for those losses.
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Post by willtalk on Apr 3, 2022 6:52:14 GMT -8
Maybe should give it another season or two, but to my eye it's becoming obvious that Rueck is one of those coaches who was more successful with unheralded recruits than he was once his recruiting profile started improving. It's paradoxical, but he's certainly not the first this has happened to. I think you are spot on. I certainly looked like Rueck was running his rotations to keep potential transfers happy more than putting the best combinations of players on the court. One player that he had a real quick hook with was JM. She would make one error and he would pull her out. He would not do that to certain other post players. While her conditioning improved this season, I think it was less her abilities that improved and more the confidence she gained when she knew she would not be pulled out at any minute. I think Taylor getting injured might have kept JM on this team. I felt that she more than anyone else would have been justified into transferring out. I suspect that Scott thought she was the least likely to transfer out so he gave her the least court time. I personally thought JM had the highest ceiling of any of the post players. The thing is that most highly ranked players are usually the stars of their high school and AAU teams. They expect to come in as starters or at least get a lot of court time. Rueck could easily sit a frosh their first year giving them time to adapt to the college game until this easy transfer system came into play. Now it makes it easy for players to leave with little to no consequences if things do not go as expected. It also means that players are transferred over. No player can just assume that even if the sit now they will play next season if the player they are behind leaves. Some one who transfers in might just push them down. Those days of waiting your turn are over. Coaches often make deals to get the transfers they value. They guarantee them starting positions while a player who has been waiting gets aced out. Frankly the college game will never be the same again. I sort of lost my enthusiasm for WCBB the moment the approved the new transfer rule. I knew what the consequences would be. OS is actually the only college team I even half a-$$ follow now.
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 3, 2022 9:55:31 GMT -8
"You can only play what you can defend". Can you expand on that? It's a timeless basketball axiom. It means the limiting factor for any player for level or position is whether or not they can defend at that level and/or position. Jelena can't play the 4 through1 because she can't defend in space as an example. Add to that the fact that you can't learn to be more genetically gifted (taller/stronger/faster) there's always going to be a ceiling and that ceiling surfaces on the defensive end. Whereas on offense you can hide weaknesses and play to strengths both as a team and as an individual. Breathe of fresh air finally!
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Post by 1042 on Apr 4, 2022 15:32:19 GMT -8
Rueck has gotten two successful transfers. Destiny came knocking at his door so he doesn't get much credit for that. I'm not sure about Mack but I believe he did find out about her and convinced her to come through a mutual acquaintance/friend. This past portal recruiting season he got two from adjoining states. We can hope with two more assistants he can go more afield for a transfer. Destiny wanted to play with Mik and Kat.
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