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Post by thewizard on Mar 3, 2022 9:57:21 GMT -8
It looks like we have some pitching questions emerging after only 8 games. Reportedly Mundt is lost for the year, Frisch is out indefinately, Pfennigs may miss a series or two, Cole Nelson is out for the year, Quinn and Case are freshman that need seasoning, Thorsteinson looks like he's gradually becoming more of a position player, Boisvert doesn't appear ready to pitch, and we have yet to see Hunter Cope or Sam Stuhr. That leaves us with 13 game-ready guys, which should be adequate if we can coax 5-6 good innings from 2 of our 3 starters. Dorman may have to give up the luxury of Pro-Ball's 1 inning relief appearance and stretch some bullpen artists out to 2 or 3 inning appearances. Actually 7 games...  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 3, 2022 10:08:49 GMT -8
If HIPAA has anything to do with it then how and why do we always find out all the details and any injuries in football? I'm more of the thinking the the baseball program is just very tight lipped You don't. There have been several injuries that weren't disclosed on the football team. However, some of them are known because the player tells someone on their own. Same with basketball. You knew what happened with Andela, but several of the other players' injuries were not disclosed. |
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Post by joecool on Mar 3, 2022 10:28:54 GMT -8
If HIPAA has anything to do with it then how and why do we always find out all the details and any injuries in football? I'm more of the thinking the the baseball program is just very tight lipped You don't. There have been several injuries that weren't disclosed on the football team. However, some of them are known because the player tells someone on their own. Same with basketball. You knew what happened with Andela, but several of the other players' injuries were not disclosed. We had a starting linebacker listed #1 on the depth chart all season that didn't play at all, we still haven't heard what was up. |
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 3, 2022 10:41:17 GMT -8
Im not sure what purpose that would serve, other than satisfying fan curiosity and providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Why help opponents prepare when it isn't necessary?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 3, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -8
I don't actually believe HIPAA applies to the university or athletic department?! It's tradition to use HIPAA as sort of a red herring for cover. But, under the definitions the university isn't classified as a "covered entity" by the NIH. Maybe Oregon law specifically has other facets? I'm no lawyer, but HIPAA was included in a few seminars... do's and don'ts.. HIPAA was passed in the mid 90's. Basically it stipulated how personal information had to be maintained via the “Privacy Rule.” The rule, which came into effect in 2003, prevented covered entities from disclosing protected health information (PHI) to others without a patient’s express written consent. But, "covered entities" are spelled out. “(1) health plans, (2) health care clearinghouses, and (3) health care providers who electronically transmit any health information in connection with transactions for which HHS has adopted standards. Generally, these transactions concern billing and payment for services or insurance coverage. “For example, hospitals, academic medical centers, physicians, and other health care providers who electronically transmit claims transaction information directly or through an intermediary to a health plan are covered entities. Covered entities can be institutions, organizations, or persons.” Unless a university also runs a hospital system it's not covered. Using outside medical practitioners allows the university to escape that detail. So, basic medical details that are deemed not harmful to the player would be allowed. But, schools can certainly choose not to. And in my opinion, rightly so. I've never paid that close attention, but can't remember a coach ever stating that HIPAA kept them from sharing. They are bound both by HIPAA and FERPA. This pretty much ties their hands twice. So even if you think HIPAA doesn’t apply (which it does), FERPA certainly does. They both overlap, but FERPA is a parent/student protection of "educational records". These would included student medical records... immunizations, past treatments, etc. Basic medical info that a player has an injury that will be checked out is not included unless the coach goes into actual medical records and treatment issues. HIPAA is generally the "electronic, oral, paper" transfer protection of PHI records by specified health care providers/businesses. Again sharing an injury does not fit that definition. Also, the form may have changed a lot since the late 70's and then again in the mid 2000's but NCAA athletes actually sign a waiver that allows schools to share certain info. But, in the case of injury disclosures that discussion is had and typically not released without full knowledge of exactly what the injury is. And, a coach simply stating, "Joey has an inflamed elbow... he has a knee/ankle... we're day to day on how to proceed." is fine and well within the laws. Coaches comment on injuries all the time without getting consent. Joey is having a MRI and sharing further/past treatments and results without Joey's consent is far different. But, the whole FERPA/HIPAA relationship is very in-depth and confusing. And, compounded by State laws. But, the HIPAA Privacy act is vastly misunderstood by most. During COVID there were cries of HIPAA Privacy violations concerning employers asking about vaccination status. But, not because of law many coaches and institutions just don't want to go down the road to discuss injuries. It just leads to more questions that eventually they not know the answers or can't answer. Personally whether it is medical, academic, or "other" I am glad schools are tight lipped. It's between the athlete, coaches, university. |
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Post by messi on Mar 3, 2022 10:49:15 GMT -8
They can always go the hockey route and just say head injury, upper body injury, or lower body injury.
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 3, 2022 13:48:00 GMT -8
Mike Rooney from D1 baseball strongly hinted that in was Pfennig’s back and they think they got it before it became long term
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 3, 2022 14:02:04 GMT -8
Mike Rooney from D1 baseball strongly hinted that in was Pfennig’s back and they think they got it before it became long term  Rooney.... |
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Post by irimi on Mar 3, 2022 18:08:38 GMT -8
They are bound both by HIPAA and FERPA. This pretty much ties their hands twice. So even if you think HIPAA doesn’t apply (which it does), FERPA certainly does. They both overlap, but FERPA is a parent/student protection of "educational records". These would included student medical records... immunizations, past treatments, etc. Basic medical info that a player has an injury that will be checked out is not included unless the coach goes into actual medical records and treatment issues. HIPAA is generally the "electronic, oral, paper" transfer protection of PHI records by specified health care providers/businesses. Again sharing an injury does not fit that definition. Also, the form may have changed a lot since the late 70's and then again in the mid 2000's but NCAA athletes actually sign a waiver that allows schools to share certain info. But, in the case of injury disclosures that discussion is had and typically not released without full knowledge of exactly what the injury is. And, a coach simply stating, "Joey has an inflamed elbow... he has a knee/ankle... we're day to day on how to proceed." is fine and well within the laws. Coaches comment on injuries all the time without getting consent. Joey is having a MRI and sharing further/past treatments and results without Joey's consent is far different. But, the whole FERPA/HIPAA relationship is very in-depth and confusing. And, compounded by State laws. But, the HIPAA Privacy act is vastly misunderstood by most. During COVID there were cries of HIPAA Privacy violations concerning employers asking about vaccination status. But, not because of law many coaches and institutions just don't want to go down the road to discuss injuries. It just leads to more questions that eventually they not know the answers or can't answer. Personally whether it is medical, academic, or "other" I am glad schools are tight lipped. It's between the athlete, coaches, university. Here's what I understand. HIPAA applies to all the medical professionals involved. FERPA for everyone else. I'm not a lawyer, though. It just makes sense. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Mar 3, 2022 18:57:50 GMT -8
Is it just me (thinking pessimistically) or do the BEAVS seem to suffer injuries to great pitchers every freaking year? Seemingly more so than is normal. Bummer. ****Now, back to the medical information legalities thread****.
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Post by badwack on Mar 3, 2022 19:54:06 GMT -8
Ok, I will show my age. Being old school I just don't remember all the arm injuries. I played a number of years and can think of only 1 major arm issue that ruined a kids career. Sore arms, backs yes but no surgeries. Now, they have all kinds of video and data to follow all the kids. Are they working these kids too hard? Over throwing? What are they doing that so many kids end up with TJ surgery? Just curious what people have to say.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 3, 2022 20:04:14 GMT -8
Ok, I will show my age. Being old school I just don't remember all the arm injuries. I played a number of years and can think of only 1 major arm issue that ruined a kids career. Sore arms, backs yes but no surgeries. Now, they have all kinds of video and data to follow all the kids. Are they working these kids too hard? Over throwing? What are they doing that so many kids end up with TJ surgery? Just curious what people have to say. Yes they are overworked. The play year around, throw way too many innings and start throwing breaking balls at 10 or 11 which is a lot of torque on a still developing arm. Also, a lot of them have private pitching coaches starting in little league. There is no off season for many of these players to rest their arms. I’ve coached kids for years and it’s insane what’s going on now. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 3, 2022 20:47:29 GMT -8
Ok, I will show my age. Being old school I just don't remember all the arm injuries. I played a number of years and can think of only 1 major arm issue that ruined a kids career. Sore arms, backs yes but no surgeries. Now, they have all kinds of video and data to follow all the kids. Are they working these kids too hard? Over throwing? What are they doing that so many kids end up with TJ surgery? Just curious what people have to say. Yes they are overworked. The play year around, throw way too many innings and start throwing breaking balls at 10 or 11 which is a lot of torque on a still developing arm. Also, a lot of them have private pitching coaches starting in little league. There is no off season for many of these players to rest their arms. I’ve coached kids for years and it’s insane what’s going on now. Even worse is that "they" (coaches, parents, etc) start convincing kids to focus on one sport. Year round multiple sports kids are so much better off. Different sports, better all around athletes. Still chances for injuries, but not from over use/training. Young pitchers are typically the best athlete/player. Not only are they pitching, typically with poor mechanics and supervision, they play SS or 3B making lots more long throws. Pitch counts in game situations are only a small part of it. |
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Post by boydo on Mar 4, 2022 22:53:44 GMT -8
Ok, I will show my age. Being old school I just don't remember all the arm injuries. I played a number of years and can think of only 1 major arm issue that ruined a kids career. Sore arms, backs yes but no surgeries. Now, they have all kinds of video and data to follow all the kids. Are they working these kids too hard? Over throwing? What are they doing that so many kids end up with TJ surgery? Just curious what people have to say. My opinion is that kids are throwing all year round. We used to throw a lot more pitches in a game but there were no fall leagues and winter workouts. |
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Post by seastape on Mar 5, 2022 13:13:55 GMT -8
Mike Rooney from D1 baseball strongly hinted that in was Pfennig’s back and they think they got it before it became long term Rooney.... ROONEY EATS IT! |
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