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Post by rgeorge on Feb 18, 2022 11:49:51 GMT -8
The fact that people are somewhat encouraged by a game where they are blown out in the second half says a lot about the state of the program. Very true. But I’ve pretty much closed the book on this season, and I’m more curious about who might be left here next year from this team. So I was encouraged that with an undermanned team, the Beavers did show some fight. Well, the guys who have decided to leave or are even contemplating it, this and other games toward the tail end aren't really going to be a factor. An E8 run wasn't even a factor for some. Kids will be kids, and most over value their talent and abilities to get more minutes at a more successful program. Although this season makes it far easier to find "more successful" programs!! So, players are actually very level headed and leave because the program and/or coaching staff "fit" wasn't what they expected. Plus JC kids still have the one-time transfer/play right away option so why not utilize it. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 18, 2022 17:08:51 GMT -8
It would be a lot easier to suffer through this season if the future looked bright for next season and beyond. Unfortunately, I see nothing but darkness...
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Post by ag87 on Feb 18, 2022 20:14:42 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle is an enigma to me. They say teams take on the personalities of the head coach, but OSU teams sometimes have enormous differences year to year. I always supported WT when others thought he should be gone. But then I changed my mind after the 2020 season. I thought if he couldn't get us into the top four of league and an NCAA berth with that group, it wasn't going to happen. But then last year happened and I was gratefully wrong. It was not a fluke. On the three NCAA tournament games only the OkSU game was a bit in doubt in the last four minutes. And now this lost season along with the lost 2017 (?) season. I don't know what to make of it. I would not be surpised to see us a game over 500 in conference play next year.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 18, 2022 20:32:27 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle is an enigma to me. They say teams take on the personalities of the head coach, but OSU teams sometimes have enormous differences year to year. I always supported WT when others thought he should be gone. But then I changed my mind after the 2020 season. I thought if he couldn't get us into the top four of league and an NCAA berth with that group, it wasn't going to happen. But then last year happened and I was gratefully wrong. It was not a fluke. On the three NCAA tournament games only the OkSU game was a bit in doubt in the last four minutes. And now this lost season along with the lost 2017 (?) season. I don't know what to make of it. I would not be surpised to see us a game over 500 in conference play next year. I agree with you re: last year's games not being as flukey as some on here like to claim. I rewatched some bits and pieces of those games recently and the amount of solid team basketball being played is night and day compared to this season. Ball movement was great, guys were moving without the ball and getting open, very seldom was a shot taken that was rushed or a "bad" shot. While defensively we flew around the court and displayed some of the best 3 point D I've seen at the college level. Guys talked and rotated when needed, and free throw shooting was lights out and put games away. Except for the first half of the UH game it was some of the best basketball I've seen at OSU.
This year is 100% on Tinkle. It's his team, his guys, he's had 8 years. How this team made a complete 180 in such dramatic fashion is beyond me, and the only two players that I would say are stepping up with any sort of consistency from last year's squad are Lucas and Silva (Andela too before his injury). I don't know what the answer is but for Tinkle's sake he bought himself a year with last year's run to figure it out.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 18, 2022 20:47:43 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 18, 2022 20:50:06 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. And how many of said coaches with that record made the Elite 8? I’ll be anxiously awaiting your response. Yes, that’s why he’s still here. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 18, 2022 20:55:19 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. The Washington Generals coach has a worse record. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 18, 2022 20:56:15 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. The Washington Generals coach has a worse record. Exaggerate much? |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 18, 2022 21:27:33 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. And how many of said coaches with that record made the Elite 8? I’ll be anxiously awaiting your response. Yes, that’s why he’s still here. None. I hope that relieves you of your anxiety. No one has argued that he didn't deserve this season. The question is does he deserve next season... |
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Post by irimi on Feb 18, 2022 22:18:09 GMT -8
And how many of said coaches with that record made the Elite 8? I’ll be anxiously awaiting your response. Yes, that’s why he’s still here. None. I hope that relieves you of your anxiety. No one has argued that he didn't deserve this season. The question is does he deserve next season... I think he does. Something big is the problem this year…something is very wrong. It could be a combination of many factors, but the team doesn’t care. We aren’t losing by twenty each night because of a lack of ability or a lack of coaching. This is because the players don’t give a damn. Why don’t they care? We commoners may never know. But this isn’t typical of his teams. Just as those who want him gone want to look past the Elite Eight trip, we ought to be able to set this season aside. At least until we know the facts about what happened. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 18, 2022 22:39:43 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. Scott Drew started his first eight years at Baylor 44-84 (.344). Drew led Baylor to its first Tournament appearance in 20 years. Two years later, Drew led Baylor to its first Elite Eight in 60 years after being picked to finish 10th in the Big 12 in the preseason poll. Baylor finished seventh in Drew's eighth season and was upset in the first game in the Big 12 Tournament to end the season. Since then? Elite Eight, NIT Championship, four straight Tournament appearances including two Sweet Sixteens, an NIT berth, another Tournament appearance and a National Championship. Leonard Hamilton was 55-84 (.396) at this stage of his career at Miami. He led Miami to its first Tournament berth in 38 years and first Tournament win ever. Two NIT berths, too, back when that meant next-to-nothing. Hamilton came back in season nine to win the Big East and earn a Sweet 16 berth. Doubt away. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 18, 2022 23:30:36 GMT -8
Last year's 5 weeks of great basketball was not a fluke, but it was an aberration. Performance should be judged on a body of work not on a small sample. WTs body of work speaks for itself. I doubt there is another coach in the country who has had anything resembling a 53 - 88 (.376) conference record after 8 seasons and was allowed to return for a 9th. Scott Drew started his first eight years at Baylor 44-84 (.344). Drew led Baylor to its first Tournament appearance in 20 years. Two years later, Drew led Baylor to its first Elite Eight in 60 years after being picked to finish 10th in the Big 12 in the preseason poll. Baylor finished seventh in Drew's eighth season and was upset in the first game in the Big 12 Tournament to end the season. Since then? Elite Eight, NIT Championship, four straight Tournament appearances including two Sweet Sixteens, an NIT berth, another Tournament appearance and a National Championship. Leonard Hamilton was 55-84 (.396) at this stage of his career at Miami. He led Miami to its first Tournament berth in 38 years and first Tournament win ever. Two NIT berths, too, back when that meant next-to-nothing. Hamilton came back in season nine to win the Big East and earn a Sweet 16 berth. Doubt away. Want to compare those examples with the respective recruiting efforts of each. WT isn't/hasn't recruited worth beans. And, next season isn't going to change that unless some miracle portal transfers show. And, that's not even considering who may leave on top of the Srs. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 19, 2022 1:33:03 GMT -8
It is not just the overall record it is how a program is trending. Drew took over a program that was in shambles from the Dave Bliss scandal. When he got to Baylor they were on probation and almost the entire roster had transferred out. The trend after the first 4 seasons was generally upward, like WT he took Baylor to an Elite 8 in year 7, however it was not a case of them getting hot at the end of the season, they were 28 - 8 that season. Year 8 they went 18 - 13. If OSU had a winning record this season, I don't think WT would be under much pressure, unfortunately the season is a disaster at 3 - 21. Year 9 Baylor won 30 games and since then have been to the NCAA tourney 7 times and won a national title.
I admire people's optimism if they think something similar to this may happen at OSU under Tinkle.
With Hamilton, during his 9-year tenure, he had a winning record his last 6 seasons and went to the NCAA Tourney his last 3. Like Drew the program trended upward during his time at Miami.
It doesn't matter what I think, WT will be back next season. Maybe Barnes really thinks he can turn it around or maybe he just can't financially afford to let him go. Or maybe a bit of both. There will probably be significant roster turnover after the season and next year's team will look very different. My guess is that he will have to go at least around .500 next season to keep his job.
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Post by ee1990 on Feb 19, 2022 3:23:30 GMT -8
The fact that people are somewhat encouraged by a game where they are blown out in the second half says a lot about the state of the program. Very true. But I’ve pretty much closed the book on this season, and I’m more curious about who might be left here next year from this team. So I was encouraged that with an undermanned team, the Beavers did show some fight. I'm sorry, I really am, but I can't help myself anymore. This is the dumbest f%#*ing loser talk. You're happy we suck. Think about why the team sucks. Your sentiment is part of the reason why. Our team isn't undermanned. Our team is garbage. They have the same number of men as the opponents. Were you the person asking if the team had "turned the corner" after we beat a D2 team and Utah earlier? Same s%#t, different day. Losers lose and then make excuses. I'm happy you see the bright side, but there's optimism, and then there's promoting failure. Literally any poster on this site could "lead" this team to ANOTHER 1 win conference season. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 19, 2022 6:23:37 GMT -8
Very true. But I’ve pretty much closed the book on this season, and I’m more curious about who might be left here next year from this team. So I was encouraged that with an undermanned team, the Beavers did show some fight. I'm sorry, I really am, but I can't help myself anymore. This is the dumbest f%#*ing loser talk. You're happy we suck. Think about why the team sucks. Your sentiment is part of the reason why. Our team isn't undermanned. Our team is garbage. They have the same number of men as the opponents. Were you the person asking if the team had "turned the corner" after we beat a D2 team and Utah earlier? Same s%#t, different day. Losers lose and then make excuses. I'm happy you see the bright side, but there's optimism, and then there's promoting failure. Literally any poster on this site could "lead" this team to ANOTHER 1 win conference season. Well, there you have it. Fan sentiment is the reason we suck this year. Who knew? |
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