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Post by orangeattack on Jan 21, 2022 9:44:36 GMT -8
The offseason always makes my mind wander a little away from current goings-on with the team because stories are developing pretty slowly at this time of year. I spent my formative years watching Jerry Pettibone run the wishbone at Oregon State, but what I don't remember ANY of was Kragthorpe's offense.
Sure I know it was a "pass-oriented offense" that put up good numbers and had Erik Wilhelm at the controls of the offense. I know Kragthorpe spent some time under LaVell Edwards in Provo and of course Edwards was influential in Hal Mumme's development of the Air Raid. I would assume that we didn't see any of the wide splits with the offensive line that is kind of the hallmark of the Air Raid with Kragthorpe's offense, but I was curious about use of the fullback and tight end. Was it a single-back formation or did OSU use the fullback? Mostly single TE sets?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 21, 2022 9:58:34 GMT -8
The offseason always makes my mind wander a little away from current goings-on with the team because stories are developing pretty slowly at this time of year. I spent my formative years watching Jerry Pettibone run the wishbone at Oregon State, but what I don't remember ANY of was Kragthorpe's offense. Sure I know it was a "pass-oriented offense" that put up good numbers and had Erik Wilhelm at the controls of the offense. I know Kragthorpe spent some time under LaVell Edwards in Provo and of course Edwards was influential in Hal Mumme's development of the Air Raid. I would assume that we didn't see any of the wide splits with the offensive line that is kind of the hallmark of the Air Raid with Kragthorpe's offense, but I was curious about use of the fullback and tight end. Was it a single-back formation or did OSU use the fullback? Mostly single TE sets? I remember...4th and inches and needing a 1st down...we HAD to pass..could run a lick Wilhelm became 'Baby Boomer' in Cincinnati if I recall correctly That wasn't necessarily true in 88 and 89 when we had Pat Chaffey. But, that was pretty much true the other years. It was the opposite of the Pettibone years. |
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Post by william44 on Jan 21, 2022 10:18:15 GMT -8
I remember a few games in Portland . One against UCLA. We gab over 400 yards passing and we’re shut out 41 to 0. I also remember a game against California. We had a long run and we won. My creative wife made a copy of the game ticket on a sheet. We won a trip to California , Disneyland and Universal studios. I believe there were two winners. Those were the days.
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 21, 2022 10:21:43 GMT -8
The offense was centered around a short passing game that was supposed to set up a running game. The QB could be under center or in shot-gun. There were multiple formations ranging from split-back (pro-set) with both a TB and FB to a single back in the backfield. The QB could be in shot-gun between the split backs - very much a modern look, or under center with the backs split behind. The single back formation had the QB under center. TE were important in the short passing game as a primary receiver unlike in a run first offense where the TE slips out behind the defense. There were no wide splits in the blocking schemes and there was no zone blocking.
The passing game was effective between the 20s but could not score enough in the red zone. The massive passing yard totals racked up by the offense were all too often the result of garbage time passing between the 20s when game was already decided. Aune and Howe noted on air that OSU won almost all of the time when a back rushed for over 100 yards. This meant that any effort on developing more balance and focus on the rushing game would have garnered more wins, along with a defense that had a pulse. Pat Chaffey seemed to get his yards and contributed to wins despite lack of run blocking and play calling needed to develop a good rushing attack. The program peaked with back to back 4-win seasons but was ultimately hamstrung by lack of balance on offense and lack of talent on defense.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 21, 2022 10:41:27 GMT -8
The offseason always makes my mind wander a little away from current goings-on with the team because stories are developing pretty slowly at this time of year. I spent my formative years watching Jerry Pettibone run the wishbone at Oregon State, but what I don't remember ANY of was Kragthorpe's offense. Sure I know it was a "pass-oriented offense" that put up good numbers and had Erik Wilhelm at the controls of the offense. I know Kragthorpe spent some time under LaVell Edwards in Provo and of course Edwards was influential in Hal Mumme's development of the Air Raid. I would assume that we didn't see any of the wide splits with the offensive line that is kind of the hallmark of the Air Raid with Kragthorpe's offense, but I was curious about use of the fullback and tight end. Was it a single-back formation or did OSU use the fullback? Mostly single TE sets? I try not to think too much about OSU football from 1972-1996. There are too many things I saw that I wish I could unsee. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 21, 2022 10:58:59 GMT -8
Kragthorpe should have played Craig Whelihan as a true freshman in 1990 instead of Matt Booher. Whelihan ended up transferring to UOP after Kragthorpe was fired, and played several years in the NFL with the Chargers as a part-time starter/backup. Booher did not have the arm to be a Pac-10 QB.
Either way though, we were doomed. Kragthorpe had lost the team by then and was doing too much stop-gap JC recruiting.
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Post by beaverdeputy on Jan 21, 2022 11:02:46 GMT -8
Found a game vs USC from 1988 on Youtube. Will give you an idea of what they ran:
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 21, 2022 11:25:59 GMT -8
Kragthorpe should have played Craig Whelihan as a true freshman in 1990 instead of Matt Booher. Whelihan ended up transferring to UOP after Kragthorpe was fired, and played several years in the NFL with the Chargers as a part-time starter/backup. Booher did not have the arm to be a Pac-10 QB. Either way though, we were doomed. Kragthorpe had lost the team by then and was doing too much stop-gap JC recruiting. They were probably afraid Whelihan would snap in half. Dude was a stick. He came in as a grayshirt in the winter term of 89/90, presumably so he could put on some weight and withstand the punishment he surely would have taken. Even when he made it to the NFL, he was pretty thin for his height, although he was listed at 6'5" 220# by the Chargers. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 21, 2022 11:44:24 GMT -8
Kragthorpe should have played Craig Whelihan as a true freshman in 1990 instead of Matt Booher. Whelihan ended up transferring to UOP after Kragthorpe was fired, and played several years in the NFL with the Chargers as a part-time starter/backup. Booher did not have the arm to be a Pac-10 QB. Either way though, we were doomed. Kragthorpe had lost the team by then and was doing too much stop-gap JC recruiting. They were probably afraid Whelihan would snap in half. Dude was a stick. He came in as a grayshirt in the winter term of 89/90, presumably so he could put on some weight and withstand the punishment he surely would have taken. Even when he made it to the NFL, he was pretty thin for his height, although he was listed at 6'5" 220# by the Chargers. He was 220 if they weighed him in full gear - maybe  |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 21, 2022 12:15:05 GMT -8
It was pass happy for the time.  It wouldn't appear to be very pass happy compared to a modern offense. The early-mid 80s there were a LOT of NCAA teams still running wishbone or just REALLY heavy run-oriented offenses. It was the mid-late 80s that those run offenses fell out of favor pretty quickly. That's also why it was so disappointing that Pettibone came in with his wishbone in the early 90s. It was not only bucking the trend, it was a complete role reversal for OSU football. Honestly, I only followed NFL football in the 80s, NCAA was so boring. |
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Post by fishbeav on Jan 21, 2022 13:59:41 GMT -8
You guys are newbe"s. I go back to Joe Francis as a single wing tailback and Nub Beamer running a fullback spinner series. What people forget is that during the Prothero years Oregon State was the winningest football team west of the Mississippi River!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2022 14:40:02 GMT -8
Found a game vs USC from 1988 on Youtube. Will give you an idea of what they ran: Remember when 3-3-1 was Oregon State's best start since 1968? Oregon State also started 1989 3-3-1. Those were Oregon State's best seven game starts in the 30-year period between 1968 and 1998. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2022 15:00:16 GMT -8
You guys are newbe"s. I go back to Joe Francis as a single wing tailback and Nub Beamer running a fullback spinner series. What people forget is that during the Prothero years Oregon State was the winningest football team west of the Mississippi River! Very Impressive because Joe Francis graduated after the 1957 season. Arizona State was the winningest football team West of the Mississippi River from 1955-1964. Oklahoma was second. Six other teams west of the Mississippi River also won more games than Oregon State from 1955-1964: Arkansas, Fresno State, Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech, Texas and Wyoming. Iowa did not have more wins but had a better winning percentage than Oregon State: .632 v. .627. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 21, 2022 15:27:15 GMT -8
Found a game vs USC from 1988 on Youtube. Will give you an idea of what they ran: I was there. I don't remember it, but I was there. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2022 15:43:46 GMT -8
Found a game vs USC from 1988 on Youtube. Will give you an idea of what they ran: I was there. I don't remember it, but I was there. #3 USC @ Oregon State. The first quarter is mostly unwatchable. The second and third quarters are pretty good. 20-14 game with 14 minutes left. USC wakes up after that. Wilhelm set both the completion and attempt record in the game, throwing 37/62 (both a Pac-10 record for completions and attempts) for 418 yards. 52 yards rushing. Oregon State's 470 yards were 145 yards more than any other offense had put up on USC in 1988. |
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