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Post by easyheat on Jan 15, 2022 15:57:23 GMT -8
Baltimore has signed two catchers out of Venezuela, Jose Noguero and Andres Nolaya. Smart move - move them through the minor league system and have them prepared to play when their HOF catcher leaves in free agency.  |
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Post by shelby on Jan 15, 2022 22:19:34 GMT -8
That team ownership and management is so poor , it is hard to fathom !
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 15, 2022 22:57:07 GMT -8
Hmmmm... not like a MLB team doesn't have multiple teams that need multiple catchers?!
How dare a team sign multiple players to a position! Cuz, you know, prospects always turn out to be gems.
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Post by shelby on Jan 16, 2022 10:27:14 GMT -8
Hmm- this wonderful line of thinking and player development has led to tremendous success in 2019 ( 108 losses ) , won't count Covid year - but, they did even better in 2021 (110 losses ).
Oh, to be a fan of such a great organization ! My 2022 prediction ( another 100 plus losses ), but at least they are taking care of their minor leaguers !
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 16, 2022 17:09:04 GMT -8
Hmm- this wonderful line of thinking and player development has led to tremendous success in 2019 ( 108 losses ) , won't count Covid year - but, they did even better in 2021 (110 losses ). Oh, to be a fan of such a great organization ! My 2022 prediction ( another 100 plus losses ), but at least they are taking care of their minor leaguers ! I'm pretty sure nothing I mentioned above shows support for the Orioles, or any specific team/management. Nor does signing players to fill rosters imply anything about said team's play development. Every MLB team has multiple teams with rosters that need filled. And, I'm not sure you've noticed those rosters have multiple players at every position, plus those that may not show on official rosters. |
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Post by shelby on Jan 16, 2022 18:21:16 GMT -8
‘43 MiLB teams will lose official affiliation with MLB, including 12 teams that were in A or AA leagues.Feb 13, 2021 ‘
The opportunities for these non MLB guys are drying up. You are going to have to be better at Scouting, signing and developing your entire organization .
Questions for every team. -
a) where will you invest your money ?
b) does this mean you sign 16 year olds from Latin America ( 1 per year @ $5 million ),
c) will you go after Asian players ?
All of this means that there are a lot of ‘backups’ going away, and the selection and retention of MLB talent will be a FIRST priority.
Money talks …but, you have to project and protect every investment - or - lose fans, lose revenue, move the team ( that is Baltimore’s future ) !
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Post by 56chevy on Jan 16, 2022 19:08:06 GMT -8
Money talks …but, you have to project and protect every investment - or - lose fans, lose revenue, move the team ( that is Baltimore’s future ) ![/quote]
Move the team...to Portland!
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Post by shelby on Jan 16, 2022 19:43:10 GMT -8
Great suggestion - we can build that stadium - but can we draw the fans ? I know I would be all in.
I love any kind of baseball, and the PDX Weather during a regular season is much drier than it used to be - plus the playing surfaces can be set up to manage significant rainfall !
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 16, 2022 20:23:40 GMT -8
The Orioles aren't going anywhere. They're talking about spending millions on and upgrades renovations to Camden Yards, beyond reconfiguring left field.
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Post by shelby on Jan 17, 2022 8:54:55 GMT -8
Improving the stadium is just what they DON’T Need to do .
Their attendance figures go from an average of 30,000 in 2014 to 10,000 for 2021 !
There was a decline in every year from 2014 to 2021.
They are not going to ramp up attendance without a plan to win a few games with better talent !
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 17, 2022 9:48:06 GMT -8
Improving the stadium is just what they DON’T Need to do . Their attendance figures go from an average of 30,000 in 2014 to 10,000 for 2021 ! There was a decline in every year from 2014 to 2021. They are not going to ramp up attendance without a plan to win a few games with better talent ! That pretty much follows the MLB trend since 2007... 32k to about 18k. And at just over 10k per, the Orioles are 26th out of 30. Tampa, a playoff team the entire season, 27th. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 17, 2022 10:19:52 GMT -8
Improving the stadium is just what they DON’T Need to do . Their attendance figures go from an average of 30,000 in 2014 to 10,000 for 2021 ! There was a decline in every year from 2014 to 2021. They are not going to ramp up attendance without a plan to win a few games with better talent ! The stadium would have to be improved, upgraded and maintained whether they won or not. Camden Yards is 30 years old this season and is starting to show some wear. |
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Post by easyheat on Jan 17, 2022 14:31:51 GMT -8
Gaming the system is a problem in MLB. Service time rules should have any impact on a player's career. The article mentions "a couple of months" - how about delaying a player for a year or two while you wait for other minor league prospects to develop so you can move from the outhouse to the penthouse in one fell swoop. A travesty!
"As part of the Jan. 13 proposal to the MLB Players Association, Major League Baseball owners proposed a new incentive system where a team that kept a rookie on the roster all season could receive a bonus draft pick if that player went on to finish top three in Rookie of the Year, MVP or Cy Young balloting over the first three seasons of their MLB career.
The idea is that the possibility of gaining an extra draft pick would provide an extra incentive for teams to promote their most talented players rather than gaming their service time. Currently many teams hold back top prospects in the minors for a few weeks (to gain an extra year before the player reaches free agency) or sometimes for a couple of months to prevent them from becoming “Super Two” players who are eligible for arbitration after two-plus seasons of service time."
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Post by shelby on Jan 17, 2022 17:15:11 GMT -8
That’s exactly what the O’s are doing with Adley.
I hate, hate, hate the ‘gaming’ part of pro baseball.
Lot’s of talented kids get this same treatment, while the team is withholding this talent from their ‘paying’ fans ! They do not want to build anything - they want to cut payroll and ‘hope’ they can
win their way to a ‘magical’ record.
Maybe, the players can hold out until they get the owners ears and we can all enjoy top to bottom competitive , entertaining baseball !
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 18, 2022 10:38:18 GMT -8
That’s exactly what the O’s are doing with Adley. I hate, hate, hate the ‘gaming’ part of pro baseball. Lot’s of talented kids get this same treatment, while the team is withholding this talent from their ‘paying’ fans ! They do not want to build anything - they want to cut payroll and ‘hope’ they can win their way to a ‘magical’ record. Maybe, the players can hold out until they get the owners ears and we can all enjoy top to bottom competitive , entertaining baseball ! So... do you just hate on the O's because AR is part of the organization or for some other reason? I ask because AR would be in the same situation (or worse in a more talented organization) in almost every organization. I'm pretty sure the AR and other talent is not being withheld as fans at every level pay to see games. Being a "paying" fan doesn't give them the right to certain managerial decisions. If you don't like the way the team is run, change your fandom. As much as some here think AR is a sure MLB star... he simply isn't at this point. Nor is he the answer to the O's seasonal records. If he was called up I'm sure the bitching would just change course. Something along the lines of how much better AR would be if he batted in the ___ spot... or if he was surrounded by better talent, etc etc etc. If he was brought up a season or two ago and failed the bitch would be it was too soon. There is no formula, and MILB stats mean little when projecting MLB success. Baseball is a very very old school, old boy network and will NEVER change drastically. Owners have varying reasons for their investments, they'll never all be on the same page. And, as long as payrolls are so drastically different there will NEVER be "top to bottom competitive" baseball. Teams will make strides and even have break thru seasons, others will slip. But, their will always be several O's, Rangers, Pirates, Dbacks, Marlins, Nats every season. AR is fine. He's developing both mentally and physically at a great rate and will be ready to face MLB competition when he gets his opportunity. He's maybe more important to this board because he's an OSU product, but he's not getting "screwed" and is not getting treated unfairly or any different than 100's of other touted prospects. Team management styles vary, but all in all the call to bring up players is a crapshoot. More players fail and are sent down than stick. |
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