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Post by lotrader on Jan 14, 2022 14:33:57 GMT -8
I am still mad about how the game played out. From the get go they attacked our Achilles heel: back court pressure. For Rueck's entire tenure, we have done one thing that frustrates me and it is: "Only player "A" shall inbound the ball...ever!" You see the pressure. You know it is coming. Instead of grabbing the ball, inbounding and breaking the press before it starts...we wait. Many times you will see player B C D or E bend or lean to grab the ball and get things going, then stop and move away to their rote position. The inbounder finally arrives, grabs the ball, steps over the end line and waits for the defense to get set. WHY! We also take too damn long to get over the time line--that leads directly to the traps at mid-court where we risk over and back too often. We were crossing mid-court almost every time with 21 seconds on the shot clock--even when we inbounded from the side on an errant pass or travel call. I know that it is part of the plan to shorten the game with ball control, patient offensive sets and passing for the best shot. It is great when it works and you look up to see us up 15; but it is painful to watch when we are behind...or in a close game where it seems no one wants to take the shot. I am not calling out players, this is all coaching. That said, Scott Rueck is still the best basketball coach I have seen at OSU since Ralph Miller (and may well have done more with less). It is just very frustrating to watch games like last night where you not only had a chance, but should have won the game. You raise a point I had not considered, but you are accurate that we are very deliberate and somewhat slow on inbounding under our basket after an opponent makes a basket. I will say, all things considered, we did manage to get the ball over half-court nearly all the time even when under tremendous defensive pressure. However, it would have been interesting if we mixed up it up and made attempts to be lightening fast to inbound after opponent's made basket and try and fast break AZ (like a DePaul, South Carolina, Iowa, WNBA teams, etc.). Might have kept AZ off balance. We didn't have as many turnovers in the backcourt as I was anticipating, but I thought Tea Adams was the reason for that improvement. Remember Tea took the ball all the way to the basket on our first possession and scored. Tea's ball handling was pretty darn good last night.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 14, 2022 14:44:09 GMT -8
Been thinking more about the game vs AZ, and after looking at the stats, Taya Corosdale was a beast last night. She kept Cate Reese from getting going like Cate Reese has nearly every AZ game this season. Taya had 2 blocks (I counted 3), 1 steal, 8 boards, and only 1 turnover. 1 turnover for all the times the ball goes through Taya on offense was impressive. Made all her free throws and played all but 2 minutes of the game. In my view, Taya is the best defensive 3/4 in the PAC-12. And if she continues her improvement on the offensive end, Taya can will OSU into the NCAA tournament.
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Post by beav74 on Jan 14, 2022 15:11:14 GMT -8
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 14, 2022 15:16:54 GMT -8
Taya certainly had a very good game last night. She's gotta prove she can deliver like that consistently. For her career (2 full seasons + parts of 3 other seasons now) she's averaging a little over 6 ppg. After last night, she bumped her average for this season up to 7.4 ppg. She's capable of scoring more, but she has to go out and do it on a regular basis before I get too excited. Monday against Hollingshed (and Miller off the bench) will be another good chance for her to match up with a quality front court opponent.
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Post by beav74 on Jan 14, 2022 15:22:16 GMT -8
4 starters go 4 for 22. Backcourt just too young and Adia Barnes knew that and exploited that!
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 14, 2022 15:25:57 GMT -8
4 starters go 4 for 22. Backcourt just too young and Adia Barnes knew that and exploited that! Our PG is a "young" RS Senior?
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Post by beav74 on Jan 14, 2022 16:10:25 GMT -8
And she played 22 minutes….and not all at the PG
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Post by norm on Jan 14, 2022 16:24:48 GMT -8
Beavs played well for 35 mins, then UA defense locked down and completely dictated the last 5 mins of the game. Taya didn’t touch the ball, Talia turned it over several times, and the only person to get open shots was Jelena. All of that was intentional by a really good defensive team.
As my old coach used to say; “you are open for a reason.”
Oh, and why Kennedy was on the bench for all of that was a coaching error.
Otherwise it’s was a really good game that we could have won.
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Post by mrazz on Jan 14, 2022 16:29:54 GMT -8
Another observation that may have had an affect on the game: at the opening tip we had 5 subs on the bench in uniform while AZ had 10. They may have suited up their injured...but it was not lost on me that they had three teams worth of players.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 14, 2022 17:41:29 GMT -8
Beavs played well for 35 mins, then UA defense locked down and completely dictated the last 5 mins of the game. Taya didn’t touch the ball, Talia turned it over several times, and the only person to get open shots was Jelena. All of that was intentional by a really good defensive team. As my old coach used to say; “you are open for a reason.” Oh, and why Kennedy was on the bench for all of that was a coaching error. Otherwise it’s was a really good game that we could have won. I think that Scott answered (in post-game presser) why Mitrovic was in the game: defensive intimidation (and btw rebounding). Kennedy had gathered 2 rebounds in 20 minutes and scored only twice (including a 3 PT). Mitrovic grabbed 7 boards in 13 minutes and had made some good passes. What Scott didn't answer (and in fact was "duh duh duh" in regard to) was why the Beavs didn't foul with 7 or 9 or 11 seconds to go, since they had a foul to give, which would have caused UA to start all over again. Agreed, Taya should have been given more of a chance down the stretch, but I don't put that on having Mitrovich on the court vs. having Brown. I believe that the real mistake was not having Adams on the floor in the 4th Q.
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Post by jimbob on Jan 14, 2022 17:51:37 GMT -8
4 starters go 4 for 22. Backcourt just too young and Adia Barnes knew that and exploited that! Exactly my thoughts and every team the rest of the way will exploit this, so to combat this we need to see more of Adams especially at crunch time....in my opinion she is a solid veteran good ball-handling facilitating pg which is why she is here so let's start using her more. I think the coach was a little rusty after this break also....no KB in there at crunch time especially with JM's shooting woes??.....and with fouls to give no fouls on AZ's last possession to disrupt them----just let them run their designed play and score??
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Post by norm on Jan 14, 2022 18:19:35 GMT -8
Beavs played well for 35 mins, then UA defense locked down and completely dictated the last 5 mins of the game. Taya didn’t touch the ball, Talia turned it over several times, and the only person to get open shots was Jelena. All of that was intentional by a really good defensive team. As my old coach used to say; “you are open for a reason.” Oh, and why Kennedy was on the bench for all of that was a coaching error. Otherwise it’s was a really good game that we could have won. I think that Scott answered (in post-game presser) why Mitrovic was in the game: defensive intimidation (and btw rebounding). Kennedy had gathered 2 rebounds in 20 minutes and scored only twice (including a 3 PT). Mitrovic grabbed 7 boards in 13 minutes and had made some good passes. What Scott didn't answer (and in fact was "duh duh duh" in regard to) was why the Beavs didn't foul with 7 or 9 or 11 seconds to go, since they had a foul to give, which would have caused UA to start all over again. Agreed, Taya should have been given more of a chance down the stretch, but I don't put that on having Mitrovich on the court vs. having Brown. I believe that the real mistake was not having Adams on the floor in the 4th Q. Great point on having a foul to give at the end, but not use it. Mistake for sure. If I had the choice of Jelena or Kennedy, I take Kennedy 100% of the time. Any situation against any player. It’s not even a question in my mind, but respect other opinions. And I am not yet convinced Tea is the best option, but she sure couldn’t have done worse than Talia did down the stretch last night.
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 14, 2022 18:37:25 GMT -8
Beavs played well for 35 mins, then UA defense locked down and completely dictated the last 5 mins of the game. Taya didn’t touch the ball, Talia turned it over several times, and the only person to get open shots was Jelena. All of that was intentional by a really good defensive team. As my old coach used to say; “you are open for a reason.” Oh, and why Kennedy was on the bench for all of that was a coaching error. Otherwise it’s was a really good game that we could have won. I don’t think Arizona dictated the last 5 minutes (actually 3). Talia hit her jumper at the 2:57 mark to go in the game, Beavs up 53-49. Beavs got a stop on Arizona’s next possession, and then we had our issues. The next possession is the over and back call. This was killer for 2 reasons, we didn’t run any clock up 4, and Talia beat Pellington on her move. It was a VERY close call and I am not totally sure what exactly they called. I think she dribbled the ball on the halfcourt line, but I’m not totally sure. She gets 1 foot deeper before she makes this move, then she beats Pellington and we have a 5 on 4. She didn’t, hopefully she’ll learn. Next possession for Az, Pellington is fouled on a drive and makes 1-2. So it’s now 53-50 with about 2 minutes left. Next Beaver possession, Talia makes a great drive and gets into the lane, draws help and just makes a pass Jelena can’t handle. The pass to Jelena is the right read, just not a bounce pass in that situation. I can’t help but think if Taylor is in, maybe she makes that play. Az gets another Pellington free thrown to make it 53-51. Our next possession is good offense, and Mack gets a good look at a 15 footer. It rims out. Sometimes basketball is make or miss. Az then ties it on Yenni’s drive. We get possession in a tie game with a bit more than a minute to go. We don’t get anything right away, and Talia ends up getting fouled by Pennington with 47 seconds left. This reset the shot clock to 20 seconds, and this is where I think we really messed up. You needed a quick scoring play here, so make or miss, you would have the last shot. We run a 1/4 pick and roll, and Arizona just does a really nice job of help and recover. Taya finds Jelena inside, and she whips a pass to Ellie in the corner, Ellie’s defender closes out to her, and she finds Taya who beats Reece off the dribble. Ware meets Taya at the rim and she passes to a wide open Jelena. Ware really recovers nicely and makes her rush the shot. Arizona’s defensive rotation was really really good, in hindsight, maybe putting Greta in the ball side corner instead of Ellie might have worked, and I wish Taya would have just attacked Ware and tried to draw the foul. All in all, some mistakes by us and some good plays by Arizona. The jumpsuit by Ellie rims out, Pellington’s drops down. That’s basketball.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 15, 2022 6:15:31 GMT -8
Beavs played well for 35 mins, then UA defense locked down and completely dictated the last 5 mins of the game. Taya didn’t touch the ball, Talia turned it over several times, and the only person to get open shots was Jelena. All of that was intentional by a really good defensive team. As my old coach used to say; “you are open for a reason.” Oh, and why Kennedy was on the bench for all of that was a coaching error. Otherwise it’s was a really good game that we could have won. I think that Scott answered (in post-game presser) why Mitrovic was in the game: defensive intimidation (and btw rebounding). Kennedy had gathered 2 rebounds in 20 minutes and scored only twice (including a 3 PT). Mitrovic grabbed 7 boards in 13 minutes and had made some good passes. What Scott didn't answer (and in fact was "duh duh duh" in regard to) was why the Beavs didn't foul with 7 or 9 or 11 seconds to go, since they had a foul to give, which would have caused UA to start all over again. Agreed, Taya should have been given more of a chance down the stretch, but I don't put that on having Mitrovich on the court vs. having Brown. I believe that the real mistake was not having Adams on the floor in the 4th Q. Agree, we need to take care of the ball in close games down the stretch. Not getting off a shot in final few possessions is a basketball sin. Doesn't mean we don't have TvO on the floor, but it does mean we need to have the ball in the hands of our best ball handler and distributor in final few minutes of a close game against a great defensive team. And that is without question today, Tea Adams.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 15, 2022 11:05:43 GMT -8
The problem with at least ten points in this game is the ease how our bigs are helpless down in the low post against opposition team posts. The key here is our posts are never taught to deny the pass to begin with. Once the pass gets into their posts we foul or appear to do so. We are not being out quicked by there player we are behind there player. Taking a passive position allowing the pass to be made to their post. I never see from our posts taught to front or deny there post they are guarding, the pass to begin with. This is illustrated in the girls game Michigan played against Louisville earlier this season. Louisville stopped Hillmans ability to get the ball for the most part in the first half. Louisville built a twenty point first half lead disrupting Michigan and Hillman by half time. Held that lead all second half won going away. The key here was louisville second string post, most of the first half fronted hillman, denying her the ability to recieve the pass in the first place! It was a thing of beauty. If Brown had fronted that chubby girl from Arizona there’s no way that Arizona could have passed over Brown to get to the Arizona girl. Our posts need to either stand in front of there post or to the side of there post with one arm blocking the entrance of the ball from passer to post . If we allow the pass we are in a trap behind them which almost always leads to a foul on us. One way is aggresive resistance the other way is passive resistance. Which way would you choose. Our posts are tall. Taylor could easily play the side of who she is guarding and with her long arms put it across there posts ability to grab a pass. Playing behind Taylor more times than not is passively allowing the pass to the person she is guarding by that time it’s 50/50 she will pick up a foul once there player gets the ball. These aggresive techniques could help our posts from getting into foul trouble! I fear particularly with the ducks and Stanford posts we will get burned a lot and lose our posts to fouls and thus lose those games.
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