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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 11, 2022 14:09:59 GMT -8
They need to issue a correction. The 293 yard game was at USC, not vs the donks. We lost but Mike kept it competitive and interesting. The 293-yard game was on the Smurf Turf in Boise. Mike Hass caught 12 passes for 293 yards and 3 touchdowns, breaking Robb Thomas' single game receiving yardage record (9 receptions for 230 yards and four touchdowns) in Parker in 1987. In 2004, Hass had three receptions for 74 yards and two touchdowns on the first two drives. Boise State then made adjustments, holding Hass to two catches for 51 yards over the next 27 minutes. In the meantime, the Broncos scored 34 straight points half to go up 34-14. 168 of Mike Hass' 293 yards (57.34%) came in the final 23 minutes, as Boise State went into prevent defense and Oregon State almost completely abandoned the run to try an fruitlessly come back on the Broncos. 5 receptions for 125 yards in the first 37 minutes and 7 receptions for 168 yards in the final 23 minutes. You are probably thinking about Mike Hass' 8 reception for 208 yard and no touchdown performance in the Coliseum in 2003. Derek Anderson set the single game passing record in the game, which stood until Sean Mannion's 493-yard performance against Wazzu in 2013. On the second play from scrimmage, Derek Anderson hit Mike Hass for a 90 yard pass, Hass being caught from behind by Jason Leach at the one. The game was the longest pass that Anderson ever threw and the longest pass that Hass ever caught. Hass otherwise never caught a pass of 75 yards or more for the rest of his career. Other than the 90-yard pass, Hass caught 7 passes for 118 yards. Hass had 3 career games over 200 yards and 1 that was 199. Robb Thomas along with Carlos Santana later referred to Hass as "smooth"
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Post by wetrodentia on Jan 11, 2022 22:18:56 GMT -8
They need to issue a correction. The 293 yard game was at USC, not vs the donks. We lost but Mike kept it competitive and interesting. The 293-yard game was on the Smurf Turf in Boise. Mike Hass caught 12 passes for 293 yards and 3 touchdowns, breaking Robb Thomas' single game receiving yardage record (9 receptions for 230 yards and four touchdowns) in Parker in 1987. In 2004, Hass had three receptions for 74 yards and two touchdowns on the first two drives. Boise State then made adjustments, holding Hass to two catches for 51 yards over the next 27 minutes. In the meantime, the Broncos scored 34 straight points half to go up 34-14. 168 of Mike Hass' 293 yards (57.34%) came in the final 23 minutes, as Boise State went into prevent defense and Oregon State almost completely abandoned the run to try an fruitlessly come back on the Broncos. 5 receptions for 125 yards in the first 37 minutes and 7 receptions for 168 yards in the final 23 minutes. You are probably thinking about Mike Hass' 8 reception for 208 yard and no touchdown performance in the Coliseum in 2003. Derek Anderson set the single game passing record in the game, which stood until Sean Mannion's 493-yard performance against Wazzu in 2013. On the second play from scrimmage, Derek Anderson hit Mike Hass for a 90 yard pass, Hass being caught from behind by Jason Leach at the one. The game was the longest pass that Anderson ever threw and the longest pass that Hass ever caught. Hass otherwise never caught a pass of 75 yards or more for the rest of his career. Other than the 90-yard pass, Hass caught 7 passes for 118 yards. Ah geez I was at both games. Thanks for the correction. I was thinking about Anderson’s 493 yard game and confused it with Mike’s stellar performance, in particular the long pass aforementioned I should look this stuff up since my memory is failing.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 12, 2022 11:49:04 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas.
But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches.
Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 12, 2022 13:57:34 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) My long and the short of it is that Robb Thomas was faster, a better jumper, was more aerobatic and was generally more athletic. All of that made him more versatile. He was a kick and punt returner and he held on kicks. He played everywhere, because there was almost no one else on those teams that you could count on to do that stuff. Mike Hass had hands and concentration and was taught route-running by one of the best route-running staffs that Oregon State has ever seen. He was better coached and surrounded with a team that did not require him to do almost literally everything at all times. If I put Robb Thomas on the 2003-2005 teams, I have little doubt that he would put up better numbers than Hass, or that teams would have had to scheme harder to make sure that Thomas did not burn them. If I put Hass on the 1986-1988 teams, I have little doubt that we don't know who the heck Hass is. And the end all and be all of which one is better is that Thomas played a decade in the NFL. And there are still NFL fans that talk about the heart that he played with. You could play with Robb Thomas on Tecmo Super Bowl and John Madden Football '92. Robb Thomas was probably the best offensive skill position player that played at Oregon State between Bob Grim back in the '60s and T.J. in the '90s. Both Chad and T.J. were playing in the NFL before, during and after Hass' four-year NFL career or his five-year college career, for that matter. I do not get all of the Hass love. He was coached up to the hilt and was a surefire target for Anderson and Moore, while he was in Corvallis. Sure. Put up monster numbers. Sure. Hass is a great story. The fact that he was a walk-on. Great story. But I just cannot get around the fact that he was slow, smallish and not very athletic. Robb Thomas once almost beat Gustavo Envela Mahua (Gus Envela, Jr.) in the 100m, and Envela went on to race at four separate Olympics. I do not know. Maybe I am missing something. But in my mind, Mike Hass was great. But Robb Thomas was greater.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 12, 2022 14:09:19 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) It's so weird. But - hear me out - when you think about it, if you take away his 20 touchdowns, Mike Hass NEVER SCORED.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 12, 2022 14:15:01 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) Robb Thomas once almost beat Gustavo Envela Mahua (Gus Envela, Jr.) in the 100m, and Envela went on to race at four separate Olympics. I do not know. Maybe I am missing something. But in my mind, Mike Hass was great. But Robb Thomas was greater. I'm not sure an "almost beat" is the argument you think it is.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2022 14:31:17 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) My long and the short of it is that Robb Thomas was faster, a better jumper, was more aerobatic and was generally more athletic. All of that made him more versatile. He was a kick and punt returner and he held on kicks. He played everywhere, because there was almost no one else on those teams that you could count on to do that stuff. Mike Hass had hands and concentration and was taught route-running by one of the best route-running staffs that Oregon State has ever seen. He was better coached and surrounded with a team that did not require him to do almost literally everything at all times. If I put Robb Thomas on the 2003-2005 teams, I have little doubt that he would put up better numbers than Hass, or that teams would have had to scheme harder to make sure that Thomas did not burn them. If I put Hass on the 1986-1988 teams, I have little doubt that we don't know who the heck Hass is. And the end all and be all of which one is better is that Thomas played a decade in the NFL. And there are still NFL fans that talk about the heart that he played with. You could play with Robb Thomas on Tecmo Super Bowl and John Madden Football '92. Robb Thomas was probably the best offensive skill position player that played at Oregon State between Bob Grim back in the '60s and T.J. in the '90s. Both Chad and T.J. were playing in the NFL before, during and after Hass' four-year NFL career or his five-year college career, for that matter. I do not get all of the Hass love. He was coached up to the hilt and was a surefire target for Anderson and Moore, while he was in Corvallis. Sure. Put up monster numbers. Sure. Hass is a great story. The fact that he was a walk-on. Great story. But I just cannot get around the fact that he was slow, smallish and not very athletic. Robb Thomas once almost beat Gustavo Envela Mahua (Gus Envela, Jr.) in the 100m, and Envela went on to race at four separate Olympics. I do not know. Maybe I am missing something. But in my mind, Mike Hass was great. But Robb Thomas was greater. And I almost slept with a super model. Robb Thomas had to do everything on his team? Hmmmmm. I seem to remember a guy named Wilhelm that was throwing to him that was pretty good (Pac 10 all-time leading passer at the time). He also had Chaffey, Phil Ross, Reggie Bynum and Dave Montagne. He did not have to do everything for those teams. And again, this discussion is about college careers (college hall of fame careers), not how they did in the NFL. And 6'1 205 is not "small". I can't figure out how more slow, unathletic guys can't catch for almost 4,000 yards in our league in 3 seasons, if it's that easy. You argument is ridiculous. There's a reason that Mike is going into the college football hall of fame.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 12, 2022 14:48:43 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) It's so weird. But - hear me out - when you think about it, if you take away his 20 touchdowns, Mike Hass NEVER SCORED. That was my other point in my post that I forgot to include. Robb Thomas scored two fewer touchdowns in five fewer games. Two fewer touchdowns in 84 fewer touches than Mike Hass. If you eliminate the bowl games (Mike Hass scored touchdown #2 against New Mexico in the 2003 Las Vegas Bowl), you get down to one fewer touchdown in three fewer games. One fewer touchdowns in 73 fewer touches than Mike Hass. Or how about touchdowns at Parker/Reser: Thomas 12. Hass 9.Hass was great at chewing up yards, but he usually disappeared in the red zone. Thomas found a way to score from pretty much everywhere on the field.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2022 14:51:48 GMT -8
It's so weird. But - hear me out - when you think about it, if you take away his 20 touchdowns, Mike Hass NEVER SCORED. That was my other point in my post that I forgot to include. Robb Thomas scored two fewer touchdowns in five fewer games. Two fewer touchdowns in 84 fewer touches than Mike Hass. If you eliminate the bowl games (Mike Hass scored touchdown #2 against New Mexico in the 2003 Las Vegas Bowl), you get down to one fewer touchdown in three fewer games. One fewer touchdowns in 73 fewer touches than Mike Hass. Or how about touchdowns at Parker/Reser: Thomas 12. Hass 9.Hass was great at chewing up yards, but he usually disappeared in the red zone. Thomas found a way to score from pretty much everywhere on the field.So did Joe Avezzano.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 12, 2022 16:53:27 GMT -8
That was my other point in my post that I forgot to include. Robb Thomas scored two fewer touchdowns in five fewer games. Two fewer touchdowns in 84 fewer touches than Mike Hass. If you eliminate the bowl games (Mike Hass scored touchdown #2 against New Mexico in the 2003 Las Vegas Bowl), you get down to one fewer touchdown in three fewer games. One fewer touchdowns in 73 fewer touches than Mike Hass. Or how about touchdowns at Parker/Reser: Thomas 12. Hass 9.Hass was great at chewing up yards, but he usually disappeared in the red zone. Thomas found a way to score from pretty much everywhere on the field.So did Joe Avezzano. And off it, as well.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 12, 2022 17:14:40 GMT -8
slow, smallish and not very athletic and yet has the third most receiving yards in conference history. Isn't that a feather in the cap for him being a phenomenal WR? Able to outplay his physical talents?
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 12, 2022 18:05:56 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 12, 2022 18:31:43 GMT -8
Lol... simply put dude picks some weird weird "hills to die on"!!
All those folks picking All- League, National awards, and HOF must have effed up?! Either on MH or in RT's exclusion.
🤔🤔🤔🍻
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 12, 2022 21:01:20 GMT -8
FYI, wilky’s registration email is robb.thomas@gmail.com
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Post by seastape on Jan 12, 2022 23:01:25 GMT -8
Wilky my guy, I appreciate the Thomas is better than Hass argument you're making. You are obviously passionate about this, and I will not tell you that you are wrong, because I was in elementary school when Robb Thomas was doing his thing, so I cannot speak to his greatness. I remember him being good, don't remember any specific memories of Robb Thomas. But.....the constant downplaying or excuse making for every Hass accomplishment is just petty and weird. "If you take out his 90 yard pass (which he didn't even score on, the slowpoke!)...." or somehow suggesting that catching 7 passes for 168 yards (24 YPC) against a team trying to prevent the big play at the end of the game somehow means he didn't earn those catches. Tell me more about how good Thomas was, not why you think Hass wasn't THAT good (because he was, and the Biletnikoff and Hall of Fame back that up) My long and the short of it is that Robb Thomas was faster, a better jumper, was more aerobatic and was generally more athletic. All of that made him more versatile. He was a kick and punt returner and he held on kicks. He played everywhere, because there was almost no one else on those teams that you could count on to do that stuff. Mike Hass had hands and concentration and was taught route-running by one of the best route-running staffs that Oregon State has ever seen. He was better coached and surrounded with a team that did not require him to do almost literally everything at all times. If I put Robb Thomas on the 2003-2005 teams, I have little doubt that he would put up better numbers than Hass, or that teams would have had to scheme harder to make sure that Thomas did not burn them. If I put Hass on the 1986-1988 teams, I have little doubt that we don't know who the heck Hass is. And the end all and be all of which one is better is that Thomas played a decade in the NFL. And there are still NFL fans that talk about the heart that he played with. You could play with Robb Thomas on Tecmo Super Bowl and John Madden Football '92. Robb Thomas was probably the best offensive skill position player that played at Oregon State between Bob Grim back in the '60s and T.J. in the '90s. Both Chad and T.J. were playing in the NFL before, during and after Hass' four-year NFL career or his five-year college career, for that matter. I do not get all of the Hass love. He was coached up to the hilt and was a surefire target for Anderson and Moore, while he was in Corvallis. Sure. Put up monster numbers. Sure. Hass is a great story. The fact that he was a walk-on. Great story. But I just cannot get around the fact that he was slow, smallish and not very athletic. Robb Thomas once almost beat Gustavo Envela Mahua (Gus Envela, Jr.) in the 100m, and Envela went on to race at four separate Olympics. I do not know. Maybe I am missing something. But in my mind, Mike Hass was great. But Robb Thomas was greater. If the HOF, the Belitnikoff Award and nearly 4000 career receiving yards (almost double that of Robb Thomas) aren't enough for you to "get all of the Hass love," you can consider that he did it with two QB's. The second was Matt Moore's first year, which was decent but definitely had its rough spots. Moore threw 11 tds to 19 picks and Hass caught a lot of his errant throws. Hass was not a burner, but he was fast enough and he had the moves to get open. And the jump balls have to be mentioned: If the ball was in the air near Hass, he was going to come down with it. Speed alone does not a great receiver make. There have been a lot of great receivers, at all levels, who were not burners, including...well, you know...Fred Belitnikoff. But also Larry Fitzgerald (4.63) and Chris Carter (4.63). From what I have seen, Hass ran between a 4.61 - 4.63 40 at the combine. To say he was not very athletic is an error. The fastest? No. Jumped the highest? No. But he had great agility and that made him quick. He was a tough receiver to cover, no matter his speed, and he caught everything thrown his way. Hass was great at an early time; his first of three 1000 yard seasons came his sophomore year (23.0 ypc!, #4 in the nation) when he was the second receiver behind James Newson. Get that? OSU had two 1000 yard receivers that year and Hass was one...as a sophomore. By comparison, Robb Thomas had less than 400 yards his sophomore year and peaked at 891 yards his junior year. He took a small step back as a senior with 763 yards, which was less than half of Hass' senior year at 1532 yards. You can argue that the two played in different eras, but Wilhelm broke the Pac 10 career passing record his senior year in 1988 and Oregon State had adopted the "Air Express" moniker to describe its pass-first football team. They threw quite a bit more than Hass' 2005 team. Wilhelm's stats in 1988 (both Thomas' and Wilhelm's senior years): 275/442 att/comp, 62.2%, 2896 yds, 6.6 yds/att, 18 tds/9 ints. Moore's stats in 2005 (Hass's senior and Moore's first year): 211/355 att/comp, 59.4%, 2711 yds, 7.6 yds/att, 11 tds/19 ints. In Thomas' and Hass' senior years: Thomas' senior year: 58 receptions, 763 yards, 13.2 ypc, 6 tds. Thomas caught 21.1% of OSU's receptions and 26.3% of the receiving yards. Hass' senior year: 90 receptions (#4 in the nation), 1532 yds (#1 in the nation), 17.0 ypc, 6 tds. Hass caught 42.7% of OSU's receptions and a huge 56.5% of the receiving yards. OSU was mediocre both in 1988 (4-6-1) and 2005 (5-6). Hass was by far the brightest star when you compare the two years; Moore was lucky to have him on the field. Hass established himself as one of the greatest college receivers ever and earned that Belitnikoff Award with a phenomenal senior year to cap a phenomenal college football career.
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