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Post by chinmusic on Jan 6, 2022 15:57:35 GMT -8
Baseball America echos the voice of college coaches - they look back to judge the quality and rankings of recruiting classes. Of course player development plays a part in the revision of class rankings. Today they looked back and re-evaluated the recruiting classes of 2016. They came correct this time.
"Ultimately, 16 of 2016’s Top 25 classes made the revised list. Oregon State, ranked No. 20 in 2016, moves to the top of the rankings. That class featured Adley Rutschman, BA’s 2019 Player of the Year and No. 1 overall pick, who helped the Beavers win the 2018 national championship. In the revised 2015 recruiting class rankings, Oregon State’s class—which included Cadyn Grenier, Trevor Larnach and Nick Madrigal—ranked No. 2."
These rankings aim to line up the classes based on the impact the players provided over the last four years. Classes that produced stars and major building blocks are looked upon more favorably than those filled mostly with role players. Draft results help inform the rankings because elite prospects tend to perform well in college, but they are not paramount. The best classes combine on-field success with professional prospects.
1. Oregon State
2016 rank: No. 20
Recruiting coordinator: Pat Bailey and Nate Yeskie
BA All-Americans: C Adley Rutschman (2019 first team, 2018 second team), RP Brandon Eisert (2019 third team)
Other key players: SS Andy Armstrong, SP Grant Gambrell, OF Tyler Malone, RP Jake Mulholland, RP Mitchell Verburg
The Beavers hit the jackpot with Rutschman, who turned out to be the best player nationally in the 2016 class. He was named the 2019 Player of the Year and the 2018 College World Series Most Outstanding Player after leading Oregon State to the national championship. A three-year starter behind the plate, Rutschman finished his career as the No. 1 overall pick. Malone homered three times in the 2018 College World Series, tying a record, while Armstrong eventually became the Beavers’ starting shortstop and a standout defender. The class ran especially deep on the mound. Eisert joined Rutschman on the All-America team in 2019 and played a big role on the pitching staff for three seasons. Gambrell was a member of the Beavers’ rotation for two seasons and was a third-round pick in 2019. Mulholland appeared in 121 games and piled up 43 saves (a program record and the ninth most in Division I history) over five seasons, establishing himself as one of the best relievers in the country. Verburg is back for a sixth year in 2022 and could take over as closer for Mulholland.
For those Beaver fans that are of the opinion that OSU recruiting classes tend to be a tad bit underrated
this is your talking point - look back 5 years and reset your ranking.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 6, 2022 16:07:37 GMT -8
Baseball America echos the voice of college coaches - they look back to judge the quality and rankings of recruiting classes. Of course player development plays a part in the revision of class rankings. Today they looked back and re-evaluated the recruiting classes of 2016. They came correct this time. "Ultimately, 16 of 2016’s Top 25 classes made the revised list. Oregon State, ranked No. 20 in 2016, moves to the top of the rankings. That class featured Adley Rutschman, BA’s 2019 Player of the Year and No. 1 overall pick, who helped the Beavers win the 2018 national championship. In the revised 2015 recruiting class rankings, Oregon State’s class—which included Cadyn Grenier, Trevor Larnach and Nick Madrigal—ranked No. 2."These rankings aim to line up the classes based on the impact the players provided over the last four years. Classes that produced stars and major building blocks are looked upon more favorably than those filled mostly with role players. Draft results help inform the rankings because elite prospects tend to perform well in college, but they are not paramount. The best classes combine on-field success with professional prospects. 1. Oregon State
2016 rank: No. 20 Recruiting coordinator: Pat Bailey and Nate Yeskie BA All-Americans: C Adley Rutschman (2019 first team, 2018 second team), RP Brandon Eisert (2019 third team) Other key players: SS Andy Armstrong, SP Grant Gambrell, OF Tyler Malone, RP Jake Mulholland, RP Mitchell Verburg The Beavers hit the jackpot with Rutschman, who turned out to be the best player nationally in the 2016 class. He was named the 2019 Player of the Year and the 2018 College World Series Most Outstanding Player after leading Oregon State to the national championship. A three-year starter behind the plate, Rutschman finished his career as the No. 1 overall pick. Malone homered three times in the 2018 College World Series, tying a record, while Armstrong eventually became the Beavers’ starting shortstop and a standout defender. The class ran especially deep on the mound. Eisert joined Rutschman on the All-America team in 2019 and played a big role on the pitching staff for three seasons. Gambrell was a member of the Beavers’ rotation for two seasons and was a third-round pick in 2019. Mulholland appeared in 121 games and piled up 43 saves (a program record and the ninth most in Division I history) over five seasons, establishing himself as one of the best relievers in the country. Verburg is back for a sixth year in 2022 and could take over as closer for Mulholland. For those Beaver fans that are of the opinion that OSU recruiting classes tend to be a tad bit underrated
this is your talking point - look back 5 years and reset your ranking. This really has nothing to do with our recruiting classes the last few years under a completely different coaching staff. |
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Post by chinmusic on Jan 6, 2022 20:54:45 GMT -8
I think it has everything to do with the classes of last four years. Every class is an Oregon State University class - student-athletes are recruited to the University by University representitives whoever that happens to be at the time.
Baseball America, Collegiate Baseball, Perfet Game, etc. do not differentiate classes by "Coaching Regimes".
You will see "OSU's class of 2014", never "Pat Casey's class of 2014" when researching a class.
It's fine to credit or associate a Coach with a particular class-they facillitated it. Fundamentally, it is an Oregon State University class regardless of who is on the coaching staff.
Considering that our revered Head Coach retired, we played a season with an interim Head Coach, went through the transition again with the change to Canham, had a season destroyed by Covid and finally settled in somewhat with a 37 win season and a were a Regional finalist in 2021, our recruiting power never waivered.
Baseball America recently ranked OSU's 2021 Class the 6th best in the country. Rawlings-Perfect Game has ranked our 2022 class the best in the PAC-12 and number 17 nationally on the Top-25. That will improve post season.
Oregon State's strong baseball tradition, the Unversity's reputation and locale, all contribute to the talented classes recruited year after year to OSU
FWIW: The 2016 class was originally ranked #14-#17 nationally by the Recruiting Services.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 7, 2022 5:52:45 GMT -8
I think it has everything to do with the classes of last four years. Every class is an Oregon State University class - student-athletes are recruited to the University by University representitives whoever that happens to be at the time. Baseball America, Collegiate Baseball, Perfet Game, etc. do not differentiate classes by "Coaching Regimes". You will see "OSU's class of 2014", never "Pat Casey's class of 2014" when researching a class. It's fine to credit or associate a Coach with a particular class-they facillitated it. Fundamentally, it is an Oregon State University class regardless of who is on the coaching staff. Considering that our revered Head Coach retired, we played a season with an interim Head Coach, went through the transition again with the change to Canham, had a season destroyed by Covid and finally settled in somewhat with a 37 win season and a were a Regional finalist in 2021, our recruiting power never waivered. Baseball America recently ranked OSU's 2021 Class the 6th best in the country. Rawlings-Perfect Game has ranked our 2022 class the best in the PAC-12 and number 17 nationally on the Top-25. That will improve post season. Oregon State's strong baseball tradition, the Unversity's reputation and locale, all contribute to the talented classes recruited year after year to OSU FWIW: The 2016 class was originally ranked #14-#17 nationally by the Recruiting Services. A new coaching staff has everything to do with the development of a class. That’s what you look at when you re-rank classes years down the road. That was my point. |
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Post by chinmusic on Jan 7, 2022 9:37:24 GMT -8
You commented on player development but that’s obviously the case with every class. Using BA’s “5 year out” criteria in re-ranking a class, OSU’s 2017 class would be the only other class to be considered. So, why even mention the Bailey/Canham classes (the new coaching staff)? They will be re-ranking Casey's classes for the next 3 years.
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Post by beavermd on Jan 7, 2022 13:36:44 GMT -8
It’ll be interesting to see what they say about the 2017-2019 classes. The quality of those classes slipped mightily which reared it’s head in the subsequent years following the 2018 title.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 7, 2022 13:46:29 GMT -8
It’ll be interesting to see what they say about the 2017-2019 classes. The quality of those classes slipped mightily which reared it’s head in the subsequent years following the 2018 title. That was my point. |
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Post by beavermd on Jan 8, 2022 11:05:09 GMT -8
It’ll be interesting to see what they say about the 2017-2019 classes. The quality of those classes slipped mightily which reared it’s head in the subsequent years following the 2018 title. That was my point. I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I’m a big believer in Canham, and I think the “struggles” the team faced briefly in 2020 and in 2021 were largely due to the lack of talent on the roster. And the lack of talent was direct result from the poor recruiting post 2016. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2022 11:08:49 GMT -8
I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I’m a big believer in Canham, and I think the “struggles” the team faced briefly in 2020 and in 2021 were largely due to the lack of talent on the roster. And the lack of talent was direct result from the poor recruiting post 2016. My reply was in reference to Chinmusic, not you. I think post 2016 classes were partially affected by how good that 2016 class was. Hard to get kids here when your lineup is solidified for 2-3 years with the 2016 class. Not a lot of playing time to be had. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2022 12:35:34 GMT -8
I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I’m a big believer in Canham, and I think the “struggles” the team faced briefly in 2020 and in 2021 were largely due to the lack of talent on the roster. And the lack of talent was direct result from the poor recruiting post 2016. My reply was in reference to Chinmusic, not you. I think post 2016 classes were partially affected by how good that 2016 class was. Hard to get kids here when your lineup is solidified for 2-3 years with the 2016 class. Not a lot of playing time to be had. And, to not start an entire new discussion... PC and staff were unique in many ways. Player development was the key to everything they did. They were incredible at it and had kids who bought in. MC and his various staff members aren't in that rare air in terms of developing talent after they land on campus. And, few coaches are or will be. Folks seem to forget that these rankings... whenever they make them... is pure opinion and created to get clicks. |
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Post by 56chevy on Jan 9, 2022 11:45:45 GMT -8
It is a bit goofy to look 5 years in the rear view mirror and rating recruiting classes accordingly. Hell anyone could do that. Last night I happened to rewatch Coach Casey at his last presser in uniform. He indicated then, as he did several times that he had an idea how good his team was going to be when Nick, Cadyn and the rest of that class showed up in the fall of 2015. It was all about the talent and the potential. We may never see a class like that again in our lifetime. We were soo good we won a National Championship playing at something substantially less than our best. Our top 2 starters went 0 for 6 in quality starts. I think we made 10 errors in Omaha. Who does those things and wins a college world series? One really talented team! We will be good in 2020, we will be competitive, we may get back to Omaha... Let's be fair and realistic though when comparing our current staff and team to previous groups.
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Post by chinmusic on Jan 9, 2022 12:12:23 GMT -8
Many good observations voiced in this discussion. It's a popular topic so I'll stir the pot with a new thread on comparing the last 6 recruiting classes.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 10, 2022 12:57:29 GMT -8
It is a bit goofy to look 5 years in the rear view mirror and rating recruiting classes accordingly. Hell anyone could do that. Last night I happened to rewatch Coach Casey at his last presser in uniform. He indicated then, as he did several times that he had an idea how good his team was going to be when Nick, Cadyn and the rest of that class showed up in the fall of 2015. It was all about the talent and the potential. We may never see a class like that again in our lifetime. We were soo good we won a National Championship playing at something substantially less than our best. Our top 2 starters went 0 for 6 in quality starts. I think we made 10 errors in Omaha. Who does those things and wins a college world series? One really talented team! We will be good in 2020, we will be competitive, we may get back to Omaha... Let's be fair and realistic though when comparing our current staff and team to previous groups. I distinctly remember when the 15' class signed, Coach Casey made a comment about how he couldn't believe they got both Madrigal, and Grenier to come to school. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 10, 2022 14:27:57 GMT -8
It is a bit goofy to look 5 years in the rear view mirror and rating recruiting classes accordingly. Hell anyone could do that. Last night I happened to rewatch Coach Casey at his last presser in uniform. He indicated then, as he did several times that he had an idea how good his team was going to be when Nick, Cadyn and the rest of that class showed up in the fall of 2015. It was all about the talent and the potential. We may never see a class like that again in our lifetime. We were soo good we won a National Championship playing at something substantially less than our best. Our top 2 starters went 0 for 6 in quality starts. I think we made 10 errors in Omaha. Who does those things and wins a college world series? One really talented team! We will be good in 2020, we will be competitive, we may get back to Omaha... Let's be fair and realistic though when comparing our current staff and team to previous groups. 10 errors. Three in the loss to North Carolina, two in the win against North Carolina. Otherwise, Oregon State had one each against Washington, the two games against Mississippi State and the two against Arkansas. 10 errors, but they only led to three unearned runs. One was the final North Carolina run in game 1. The final was 8-6, instead of 7-6. The second unearned run was Heimlich's fielding error in the rematch against North Carolina. Heimlich did not field the ball cleanly, which loaded the bases with no outs. After the first run scored on a ground ball to short, Brandon Riley hit that ball down the right field line, which looked foul but was called fair, scoring the unearned run, which tied it at three. North Carolina went on to tack on three more runs to post a 6-3 lead into the eighth, when Oregon State woke up and destroyed them, 11-6. The third was game 1 against Arkansas. The fourth run was unearned after Madrigal booted it. Your point, though, is a good one, though. Just by way of an example, Mississippi State won the National Championship without committing an error at Omaha. The Dogs' last error was in the Super Regional Championship Game against Notre Dame. Vanderbilt, who lost the Championship Game to Mississippi State finished with 13 errors. The Commodores entered the Championship Game with 10 errors and tacked on three more in the loss. Bill Rowe, I think, still holds the record for most chances without an error at the College World Series. 87 put-outs and 4 assists without an error in 2006. Since the Tournament overhaul in 1999, 2018 Oregon State holds the record for most errors in a College World Series by a College World Series Champion. Second place in that time frame is shared by 2002 Texas and 2008 Fresno. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 10, 2022 15:04:32 GMT -8
It is a bit goofy to look 5 years in the rear view mirror and rating recruiting classes accordingly. Hell anyone could do that. Last night I happened to rewatch Coach Casey at his last presser in uniform. He indicated then, as he did several times that he had an idea how good his team was going to be when Nick, Cadyn and the rest of that class showed up in the fall of 2015. It was all about the talent and the potential. We may never see a class like that again in our lifetime. We were soo good we won a National Championship playing at something substantially less than our best. Our top 2 starters went 0 for 6 in quality starts. I think we made 10 errors in Omaha. Who does those things and wins a college world series? One really talented team! We will be good in 2020, we will be competitive, we may get back to Omaha... Let's be fair and realistic though when comparing our current staff and team to previous groups. I distinctly remember when the 15' class signed, Coach Casey made a comment about how he couldn't believe they got both Madrigal, and Grenier to come to school. Cadyn Grenier turned down $1.5 million from St. Louis to play at Oregon State. That was unbelievable. The Cardinals indicated that they would draft Grenier in the first round, if he took the money. Grenier wanted more, so the Cardinals drafted Nick Plummer. There was some chatter that Madrigal could be a first rounder. According to Coach Casey, Madrigal told him that he thought that he could be a first rounder. Casey told him that, if he came to Oregon State, he would be a first rounder. Despite the fact that most teams saw that Madrigal was probably going to go to Oregon State, the Indians still thought enough of Madrigal to pick him in the 17th Round. The Cardinals picked Madrigal in the 21st Round. The Padres picked Larnach in the 40th Round. Everyone knew that those three were going to be great players at the college level. If anything, though, Grenier never really played to potential. Namely, his hitting never really materialized. He was college fast and he was a phenomenal fielder. Fortunately, Casey got Grenier to basically perfect bunting, during his three years, which helped him to become a bit more dangerous at the plate. Madrigal and Larnach developed, though, much like Casey knew that they would. Larnach was more work than Madrigal. Madrigal was basically great from the get-go. They needed to overhaul Larnach's swing to get the most out of it. |
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