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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 4, 2022 14:23:52 GMT -8
My thoughts.
Kliavkoff just displayed putrid leadership. Absolutely putrid, bulls%#t, facepalming indescribably stupid, braindead chickens%#t leadership. He just showed going outside the box isn't necessarily the answer. he just showed his corporate roots, and how he has zero experience with football and conference leadership. This was him covering his own ass, because I now have the very real sneaking suspicion he has done a tremendously s%#tty job in securing future TV contracts and is getting on his blame issuing PR tour about why he couldn't get the job done.
This isn't f%#*ing dominos... you don't do the "yes, we admit we suck, but now we are better" marketing routine with college football. You DON'T play directly INTO the dialogue.
You don't accept that 0-5 is your albatross and go, yeah, we are terrible.
you promote, like f%#*ing mad, the positives even if the net was 0-5. Your job is to pump sunshine up every single human ass and sell the conference. Jesus.
Utah lost... but it was one helluva game. probably the best Rose Bowl in years. You talk about just how f%#*ing entertaining that game was. Because even though Utah lost, it was a great game. You talk about how the back up QB came in after Rising was concussed and drove them down the field after previously not throwing a pass in a game before!
you talk about how the Cougs came out and gave CMU a hard second half and nearly pulled that one off.
You job is to promote. Yes, the hard truth is the Pac-12 sucked on the bottom line. but we know it. we all know it. You don't have to say it... you have to PROMOTE what was great. Pac-12 plays exciting football. Pac-12 did provide some damn good games. Get your ass on Reddit sometime and look at all the "Pac-12 after dark chaos" memes. Fans love it. Honest to god the craziness of the dog eat dog nature of the Pac-12 is something people like to watch.
play to what you got. at the end of the day, people want to watch good games. Pac-12 still gives you good games. they still give you excitement and chaos and unpredictability.
Jesus. Fire this asshat already. Mark my words, when any future details come out about Pac-12 media deals, and they are utter garbage... remember this day. the Day Kliavkoff admitted he is a f%#*ing loser.
All we are going to get for the next few years is the Pac-12 selling USC hand over fist and shoving them down our throats. f%#*.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2022 15:20:01 GMT -8
My thoughts. Kliavkoff just displayed putrid leadership. Absolutely putrid, bulls%#t, facepalming indescribably stupid, braindead chickens%#t leadership. He just showed going outside the box isn't necessarily the answer. he just showed his corporate roots, and how he has zero experience with football and conference leadership. This was him covering his own ass, because I now have the very real sneaking suspicion he has done a tremendously s%#tty job in securing future TV contracts and is getting on his blame issuing PR tour about why he couldn't get the job done. This isn't f%#*ing dominos... you don't do the "yes, we admit we suck, but now we are better" marketing routine with college football. You DON'T play directly INTO the dialogue. You don't accept that 0-5 is your albatross and go, yeah, we are terrible. you promote, like f%#*ing mad, the positives even if the net was 0-5. Your job is to pump sunshine up every single human ass and sell the conference. Jesus. Utah lost... but it was one helluva game. probably the best Rose Bowl in years. You talk about just how f%#*ing entertaining that game was. Because even though Utah lost, it was a great game. You talk about how the back up QB came in after Rising was concussed and drove them down the field after previously not throwing a pass in a game before! you talk about how the Cougs came out and gave CMU a hard second half and nearly pulled that one off. You job is to promote. Yes, the hard truth is the Pac-12 sucked on the bottom line. but we know it. we all know it. You don't have to say it... you have to PROMOTE what was great. Pac-12 plays exciting football. Pac-12 did provide some damn good games. Get your ass on Reddit sometime and look at all the "Pac-12 after dark chaos" memes. Fans love it. Honest to god the craziness of the dog eat dog nature of the Pac-12 is something people like to watch. play to what you got. at the end of the day, people want to watch good games. Pac-12 still gives you good games. they still give you excitement and chaos and unpredictability. Jesus. Fire this asshat already. Mark my words, when any future details come out about Pac-12 media deals, and they are utter garbage... remember this day. the Day Kliavkoff admitted he is a f%#*ing loser. All we are going to get for the next few years is the Pac-12 selling USC hand over fist and shoving them down our throats. f%#*. This is a great take! You're 100% right. You sell by talking up the positives. You don't say how much things suck. That is softening us up for something bad to happen.
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Post by shelby on Jan 4, 2022 17:52:24 GMT -8
This is no different from any business, and leadership is defined by creating positive change and momentum for shareholders ( fans ). The guys who do not, are initially hailed as heroes, then they do nothing to fix the predecessors mistakes . You need a guy that ‘creates’ a new business model - where everyone else sits back and says ; ‘ why didn’t I think of that?’ He seems to be wasting opportunities by having to learn on the job. Truth is; we cannot wait - or the obvious windows for any fixes will disappear. What I am most disheartened about, is that it appears ( until further notice’, that we have hired an amateur to compete against Professionals! I am really not too upset by the bowl fiasco’s; the Covid impact, the opt out impact and the high profile coaching changes and other turmoil - is, impacting everyone’s performance in every sport - at every level ! I would give this guy 6 months to drive some positive change , and if he fails , go get someone with a track record. The good guys pay for themselves - they are not just a sunk cost like Scott and this guy ! In any event - Go Beavers !
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 4, 2022 20:04:06 GMT -8
I knew you'd eventually come around There is more to this than just no bowl wins since 2019. The Pac 12 elitist mentality, the fact football simply isn't that important on the west coast, so mainly a fair weather sport rather than diehard addiction (see Nebraska). Many other reasons. But the talent is here, and the marketability on a national recruiting scale is here. So what's the story morning glory? All of which is somewhat resolvable. And its refreshing to see a guy running the conference that seems to counter the mindset of the typical Pac 12 president or board and even too many fans. Conference of Champions? Really? GTFO, in the big business that is NCAA sports, there is football, and then there is football. And way behind that is hoops. So pick your poison Pac 12 fan. If you want to be the Ivy league of the west coast, so be it. If you want to be remotely relevant in the national discussion of College Football, better reset your priorities and open your minds...and wallets. The MWC should never...ever...make a mockery of the Pac 12. That's how far this conference has fallen. I see ur point. That said, I'm not interested in helping prop up USC, hole, and u dub. I honestly don't give a rats ass about the rest of the conference other than I root for whoever plays the above mentioned teams......is that an antiquated approach to today's big biz college football? Maybe, but I don't care. Im fine with a down pac 12 because we are building something that can last with Smith......and let's be honest, we will never be part of the "football" discussion when ur talkin big biz. I've said it over and over......we want to be Utah....consistency in our program......the opposite of what hole does. If we have consistently good seasons, the money, and better tv times will take care of itself. So you are saying the Pac 12 is comprised of 3 teams? OSU has proven in past years it can compete for a Pac 12 championship. As has WSU, Stanford, ASU, AZ, Utah. I get the three you mentioned are the perceived top tier (Waahington hmmmmm) but I think the Pac 12 might be the least top heavy P5 conference there is. I agree with your general assessment about Smitty and OSU. Just not sure how it relates to the article
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 4, 2022 20:27:52 GMT -8
You have to remember who this guy works for and is really talking to. Twelve people who started school in kindergarten and never left. These "corporate strategies" you speak of are a foreign language to them.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by rob85 on Jan 4, 2022 23:50:53 GMT -8
I see ur point. That said, I'm not interested in helping prop up USC, hole, and u dub. I honestly don't give a rats ass about the rest of the conference other than I root for whoever plays the above mentioned teams......is that an antiquated approach to today's big biz college football? Maybe, but I don't care. Im fine with a down pac 12 because we are building something that can last with Smith......and let's be honest, we will never be part of the "football" discussion when ur talkin big biz. I've said it over and over......we want to be Utah....consistency in our program......the opposite of what hole does. If we have consistently good seasons, the money, and better tv times will take care of itself. So you are saying the Pac 12 is comprised of 3 teams? OSU has proven in past years it can compete for a Pac 12 championship. As has WSU, Stanford, ASU, AZ, Utah. I get the three you mentioned are the perceived top tier (Waahington hmmmmm) but I think the Pac 12 might be the least top heavy P5 conference there is. I agree with your general assessment about Smitty and OSU. Just not sure how it relates to the article I don't think flyfishinbeav is saying the Pac-12 is comprised of three teams. I think he is saying that Commissioner K has implied that the Pac-12 is comprised of a few top tier teams and that the conference's focus should be on getting those teams the greatest chance to succeed. I think Comm K has implied this more than once and it's a bad idea. I think the amount of time he spends talking in the press about USC should make the other 11 schools wonder for whom he is working. Another of Comm K's comments that I thought was ridiculous was the stuff about needing to improve recruiting. Um, duh. I think every coach in the country works to improve their recruiting. What does the commissioner have to do with that? Nothing, so why bring it up? Foolish.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 5, 2022 6:13:01 GMT -8
What the pac12 needed and needs is a guy like Mitch Barnhart.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2022 7:12:54 GMT -8
So you are saying the Pac 12 is comprised of 3 teams? OSU has proven in past years it can compete for a Pac 12 championship. As has WSU, Stanford, ASU, AZ, Utah. I get the three you mentioned are the perceived top tier (Waahington hmmmmm) but I think the Pac 12 might be the least top heavy P5 conference there is. I agree with your general assessment about Smitty and OSU. Just not sure how it relates to the article I don't think flyfishinbeav is saying the Pac-12 is comprised of three teams. I think he is saying that Commissioner K has implied that the Pac-12 is comprised of a few top tier teams and that the conference's focus should be on getting those teams the greatest chance to succeed. I think Comm K has implied this more than once and it's a bad idea. I think the amount of time he spends talking in the press about USC should make the other 11 schools wonder for whom he is working. Another of Comm K's comments that I thought was ridiculous was the stuff about needing to improve recruiting. Um, duh. I think every coach in the country works to improve their recruiting. What does the commissioner have to do with that? Nothing, so why bring it up? Foolish. Isn't he just saying the quiet part out loud? Isn't this exactly what the other P5 conferences already do? It's not like they are showing Illinois or Rutgers highlights when there is a Big 10 matchup. I totally get what people are saying here and their concerns are legit, but some of these same people bashed Larry Scott for years and now seem to be softpeddling his overseeing the Pac 12 become the college football joke that it is. That's been the strategy for years and it sure hasn't worked so far. I cringe when I hear conference of champions...like that works on some HS RB in Florida or college football fan in Texas. It literally screams "we suck at football, but..." Is this guy the answer? I don't know but his approach is different, and something needs to be done. My feelings don't get hurt because he states the obvious. I don't need a Pac 12 cheerleader to make me feel warm and fuzzy about the conference I root for. Maybe he is a clown and will fail miserably. I have a feeling most would in trying to sell the Pac 12 as some sort of marketable national football product when the teams own fans are as ambivalent amd apathetic as they come and its schools keep losing to the likes of Montana and CMU (on short notice).
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Post by shelby on Jan 5, 2022 12:54:59 GMT -8
Just went back and looked at his ‘hiring announcement ‘, described in a couple of lines ; ‘unorthodox hire’ ( Ed: I will say ) ‘ ‘does not come with any athletics or sports management background’ ( Oh crap ! ).
We are in far more SERIOUS TROUBLE than I imagined …. unless he hires someone else to do the real work - he will flame out .
All of his tweets are based on being a highly paid flying ambassador with an unlimited expense account!
The ‘panel’ that hired this guy should also get the boot, he shouldn’t even have received an interview
Oh well …
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 5, 2022 14:24:15 GMT -8
I don't think flyfishinbeav is saying the Pac-12 is comprised of three teams. I think he is saying that Commissioner K has implied that the Pac-12 is comprised of a few top tier teams and that the conference's focus should be on getting those teams the greatest chance to succeed. I think Comm K has implied this more than once and it's a bad idea. I think the amount of time he spends talking in the press about USC should make the other 11 schools wonder for whom he is working. Another of Comm K's comments that I thought was ridiculous was the stuff about needing to improve recruiting. Um, duh. I think every coach in the country works to improve their recruiting. What does the commissioner have to do with that? Nothing, so why bring it up? Foolish. Isn't he just saying the quiet part out loud? Isn't this exactly what the other P5 conferences already do? It's not like they are showing Illinois or Rutgers highlights when there is a Big 10 matchup. I totally get what people are saying here and their concerns are legit, but some of these same people bashed Larry Scott for years and now seem to be softpeddling his overseeing the Pac 12 become the college football joke that it is. That's been the strategy for years and it sure hasn't worked so far. I cringe when I hear conference of champions...like that works on some HS RB in Florida or college football fan in Texas. It literally screams "we suck at football, but..." Is this guy the answer? I don't know but his approach is different, and something needs to be done. My feelings don't get hurt because he states the obvious. I don't need a Pac 12 cheerleader to make me feel warm and fuzzy about the conference I root for. Maybe he is a clown and will fail miserably. I have a feeling most would in trying to sell the Pac 12 as some sort of marketable national football product when the teams own fans are as ambivalent amd apathetic as they come and its schools keep losing to the likes of Montana and CMU (on short notice). The sins of Larry Scott was that he shifted from being an early innovator, to a guy that gave himself the biggest Salary in the nation then did nothing to earn it after that. He largely ignored our referee crisis that made us a national laughing stock. After building Pac-12 network he failed to adapt and sell it. He failed to get it on the largest satellite provider around. when he couldn't do that, he failed to adequate set it up to stream it. Larry Scott started well and fizzled and ended up simply being a fat cat resting on his laurels and milking an astronomical salary. Klivakoff is coming out of the gate looking like a buffoon and spending more time complaining about how he doesn't have an SEC level product to work with, instead of playing with the hand he is dealt. He should of known what was at stake before he took the job, it is clear he likely didn't.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 5, 2022 16:10:12 GMT -8
Refreshing to hear leadership calling a spade a spade, not tip toeing on egg shells, or dancing with word salads in fear of offending. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear for some, but until you face the problems head on not much will happen to remove those problems.
He calls some key points out:
P12 is among the most restrictive covid states
Youth football participation is and has been down in west compared to rest of country
TV contracts agreed to which are long term binding with little to no way to renegotiate or get out
Need bigger faster players on our lines across the conference to compete nationally
To be perfectly straight, over the past several years I find the MWC plays a more entertaining brand of football and their results vs the P12 suggest they are simply better period. Their teams don't seem to have any problem playing bowl games with passion or having player sit out of games. They play physical, passionate, team football, and it's entertaining to watch whether it be Air Force, Fresno St., Boise, SDSU, Wyoming or......
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 5, 2022 16:43:59 GMT -8
Refreshing to hear leadership calling a spade a spade, not tip toeing on egg shells, or dancing with word salads in fear of offending. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear for some, but until you face the problems head on not much will happen to remove those problems. He calls some key points out: P12 is among the most restrictive covid states
Youth football participation is and has been down in west compared to rest of country
TV contracts agreed to which are long term binding with little to no way to renegotiate or get out
Need bigger faster players on our lines across the conference to compete nationally
To be perfectly straight, over the past several years I find the MWC plays a more entertaining brand of football and their results vs the P12 suggest they are simply better period. Their teams don't seem to have any problem playing bowl games with passion or having player sit out of games. They play physical, passionate, team football, and it's entertaining to watch whether it be Air Force, Fresno St., Boise, SDSU, Wyoming or...... Laughable. No. How's that for calling a spade a spade? The Mountain West went 6-5 against the Pac-12, but the Pac-12 outscored the Mountain West by 61 points. The Pac-12 outscored the Mountain West by 123 points in 10 games in 2019. I mean, if you go back to 2013, the Pac-12 was 12-1, and the only loss was Wazzu blowing a 15-point lead with less than three minutes left to Colorado State at the New Mexico Bowl. This year, Wazzu blew a 23-11 lead with less than six minutes left. Fresno State beat UCLA on a 13-yard touchdown pass with 14 seconds left. San Diego State beat Utah by two in triple overtime courtesy of college football's mind-numbingly stupid overtime rules. The Pac-12 blows out Mountain West teams by and large, and the Mountain West teams that win win in squeakers. San Diego State beat Arizona by 24, and Utah State beat Oregon State by 11. But the other four wins were by a combined 13 points. On the other side of the ledger, only Oregon's win (7) was by less than 18. You can make the case that the Mountain West has closed the gap, but the gap is still there, my friend.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 5, 2022 17:07:06 GMT -8
My thoughts. Kliavkoff just displayed putrid leadership. Absolutely putrid, bulls%#t, facepalming indescribably stupid, braindead chickens%#t leadership. He just showed going outside the box isn't necessarily the answer. he just showed his corporate roots, and how he has zero experience with football and conference leadership. This was him covering his own ass, because I now have the very real sneaking suspicion he has done a tremendously s%#tty job in securing future TV contracts and is getting on his blame issuing PR tour about why he couldn't get the job done. This isn't f%#*ing dominos... you don't do the "yes, we admit we suck, but now we are better" marketing routine with college football. You DON'T play directly INTO the dialogue. You don't accept that 0-5 is your albatross and go, yeah, we are terrible. you promote, like f%#*ing mad, the positives even if the net was 0-5. Your job is to pump sunshine up every single human ass and sell the conference. Jesus. Utah lost... but it was one helluva game. probably the best Rose Bowl in years. You talk about just how f%#*ing entertaining that game was. Because even though Utah lost, it was a great game. You talk about how the back up QB came in after Rising was concussed and drove them down the field after previously not throwing a pass in a game before! you talk about how the Cougs came out and gave CMU a hard second half and nearly pulled that one off. You job is to promote. Yes, the hard truth is the Pac-12 sucked on the bottom line. but we know it. we all know it. You don't have to say it... you have to PROMOTE what was great. Pac-12 plays exciting football. Pac-12 did provide some damn good games. Get your ass on Reddit sometime and look at all the "Pac-12 after dark chaos" memes. Fans love it. Honest to god the craziness of the dog eat dog nature of the Pac-12 is something people like to watch. play to what you got. at the end of the day, people want to watch good games. Pac-12 still gives you good games. they still give you excitement and chaos and unpredictability. Jesus. Fire this asshat already. Mark my words, when any future details come out about Pac-12 media deals, and they are utter garbage... remember this day. the Day Kliavkoff admitted he is a f%#*ing loser. All we are going to get for the next few years is the Pac-12 selling USC hand over fist and shoving them down our throats. f%#*. I challenge you to read the interview again with an open mind. Tell me what you disagree with, because I agree with nearly everything he says. I just don't getcthe negative response here. And really one need be overly sensitive to perceive his comments as overtly negative when they are simply factual, and he lays out sound logic why the Pac 12 has struggled, and what he thinks needs to be done to fix it. In fact, he says many things I have read right here on these boards! I think this guy blows Larry Scott away.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 5, 2022 17:12:51 GMT -8
Refreshing to hear leadership calling a spade a spade, not tip toeing on egg shells, or dancing with word salads in fear of offending. Sometimes the truth is hard to hear for some, but until you face the problems head on not much will happen to remove those problems. He calls some key points out: P12 is among the most restrictive covid states
Youth football participation is and has been down in west compared to rest of country
TV contracts agreed to which are long term binding with little to no way to renegotiate or get out
Need bigger faster players on our lines across the conference to compete nationally
To be perfectly straight, over the past several years I find the MWC plays a more entertaining brand of football and their results vs the P12 suggest they are simply better period. Their teams don't seem to have any problem playing bowl games with passion or having player sit out of games. They play physical, passionate, team football, and it's entertaining to watch whether it be Air Force, Fresno St., Boise, SDSU, Wyoming or...... It isn't about being offended. that is not what is at stake. What is at stake is billion of dollars on the table in media rights and licensing. You don't convince contract negotiators to sign to your terms by telling everybody how s%#tty you are! He was not hired to do an audit of how bad we suck. We didn't put him in place to go sprinkling around "truth bombs" and open everybody's eyes up to how far the Pac-12 is slipping. WE KNOW IT IS! His job is to convince people it isn't what it seems and THEN go off and be the change he wants to see. He is there to raise our national profile not lower it. Somebody else said it. He said the quiet part out loud. That is the s%#t you throw at the 12 presidents behind close doors when you are planning how you are going to right this ship. It is not the things you rant and rave about in an open media session. You didn't help convince Fox they really need to consider more Pac-12 games on the flag ship channel at 1PM, instead of FS1 at 7:30 there, bub... Because, FYI, those contracts expire in two seasons... that is not "long term". but guess what, so does the Big-10 and the Big-12. What is REALLY on the table is after the 23-24 season, CBS loses their exclusive SEC deal to ESPN. one of the more ideal, and lucrative opportunities is for Pac-12 to land a CBS deal. But of course we could be competing with the Big-10 and Big-12 if ESPN/FOX doesn't not up their game. It seems likely one of those two will be left off the ESPN list, given that ESPN is gaining SEC in 2024... for 2024 broadcasting rights on CBS, it is shaping up to be the Pac-12 vs the loser of the Big-10/Big-12 ESPN rights signer. Anyways, publicly ranting about how much we suck does not help establish our case to have CBS broadcast our games. We are currently a second tier FOX league.. the guys that fill in when the Big-12 slate sucks that week. We have the opportunity to be a top tier CBS league. This little piss and moan session isn't the sort of thing that helps you get there.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 5, 2022 17:15:35 GMT -8
My thoughts. Kliavkoff just displayed putrid leadership. Absolutely putrid, bulls%#t, facepalming indescribably stupid, braindead chickens%#t leadership. He just showed going outside the box isn't necessarily the answer. he just showed his corporate roots, and how he has zero experience with football and conference leadership. This was him covering his own ass, because I now have the very real sneaking suspicion he has done a tremendously s%#tty job in securing future TV contracts and is getting on his blame issuing PR tour about why he couldn't get the job done. This isn't f%#*ing dominos... you don't do the "yes, we admit we suck, but now we are better" marketing routine with college football. You DON'T play directly INTO the dialogue. You don't accept that 0-5 is your albatross and go, yeah, we are terrible. you promote, like f%#*ing mad, the positives even if the net was 0-5. Your job is to pump sunshine up every single human ass and sell the conference. Jesus. Utah lost... but it was one helluva game. probably the best Rose Bowl in years. You talk about just how f%#*ing entertaining that game was. Because even though Utah lost, it was a great game. You talk about how the back up QB came in after Rising was concussed and drove them down the field after previously not throwing a pass in a game before! you talk about how the Cougs came out and gave CMU a hard second half and nearly pulled that one off. You job is to promote. Yes, the hard truth is the Pac-12 sucked on the bottom line. but we know it. we all know it. You don't have to say it... you have to PROMOTE what was great. Pac-12 plays exciting football. Pac-12 did provide some damn good games. Get your ass on Reddit sometime and look at all the "Pac-12 after dark chaos" memes. Fans love it. Honest to god the craziness of the dog eat dog nature of the Pac-12 is something people like to watch. play to what you got. at the end of the day, people want to watch good games. Pac-12 still gives you good games. they still give you excitement and chaos and unpredictability. Jesus. Fire this asshat already. Mark my words, when any future details come out about Pac-12 media deals, and they are utter garbage... remember this day. the Day Kliavkoff admitted he is a f%#*ing loser. All we are going to get for the next few years is the Pac-12 selling USC hand over fist and shoving them down our throats. f%#*. I challenge you to read the interview again with an open mind. Tell me what you disagree with, because I agree with nearly everything he says. I just don't getcthe negative response here. And really one need be overly sensitive to perceive his comments as overtly negative when they are simply factual, and he lays out sound logic why the Pac 12 has struggled, and what he thinks needs to be done to fix it. In fact, he says many things I have read right here on these boards! I think this guy blows Larry Scott away. I made a response to this above. It isn't that he is wrong about what he said... it is that he was wrong to say it, in this context in this setting in the manner he delivered it, given where we are and what is at stake in two years.
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