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Post by beaverstever on Jan 1, 2022 16:34:08 GMT -8
Wonder if this team has really figured itself out, as it seems to be playing up to it's potential, or is it just the temporary upswing that comes from overall inconsistency?
I'd sure like to believe it's the former, but hard to grasp hope that this is the case given the horrendous start. So I'm wondering if there's a view that does make sense.
Looking back, they ended up playing a very good team their second game of the season in ISU, who has finally lost their first game of the season to #1 Baylor by 5 points. That started a subsequent stretch of 4 games lost by 6 points or less. The 15 point loss to PSU came the next day after an overtime loss to what currently looks like a good Wake Forrest team (currently a Quad 1 top 50 NET). So looking back, that stretch, while disappointing, doesn't seem that odd in terms of a stretch that can happen, if things just go badly.
The Dec games, where we lost 4 more that were generally not competitive were to some even better teams in some cases (zona is the #1 Net team, A&M is #61), and not so great teams in Cal (#118) and UC Davis (#194) - that stretch felt like a team just losing grip overall.
Since then, blasting Nichols State (#151), at team that was more competitive @purdue and @wisconsin than @osu, and Utah (#91) would suggest OSU is able to play at a top 100 NET level team, which then suggests they should be competitive against the conference games outside of USC, UCLA and UA. Their current NET is #218, which is well deserved with their record, and is also worse than anybody on their schedule outside of Portland State. Tulsa at #206 is the only sub-200 team they've lost to.
Given the Covid mess, it might be a while before we know if this is fools gold or not, but I have to laugh that this team suddenly now looks like it can compete for 4th place in the Pac-12 (which looks like the first team left out of the Dance).
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Post by speakthetruth on Jan 1, 2022 18:14:25 GMT -8
Trick question. Its a circle There are no corners.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 1, 2022 20:33:14 GMT -8
So weird. I know 1-10 lowers expectations, but...
Beat a far lower echelon team in Nichols and a Utah team picked 10th by almost every Pac12 predictor... and OSU now may have turned a corner? Will battle for 4th in Pac12?
A league win... good. But, at home vs a team picked near the bottom of the league. I'm going with offensive anomaly until proven otherwise.
The real positive seems to be that the Pac12 is basically very very average after the top 3.
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 1, 2022 23:27:16 GMT -8
LOL
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 2, 2022 8:02:44 GMT -8
Still too early to tell if they’ve turned a corner, though they are definitely player better. I do get a kick out of trying to elevate the Beavers last two wins. OSU beat a NET 150 team at home. Trying to draw any comparison to WI and Purdue based on each team’s game against Nichols St. is a bit humorous, but if you’re going to do it maybe dig a bit deeper than just looking at final scores. Wisconsin was without by far its best player — likely 1st team all conference Johnny Davis — while Nichols St. had its second best player Devante Carter, who didn’t play against Beavs. As to the Purdue game, I watched a good portion of that game and while the final score was closer, the game wasn’t more competitive. Purdue was up by 19 at half and up 21 with two minutes left. The closest Nichols St got in second half was the final score.
The Utah game was encouraging given the Beavers record, but really all they did was win at home against a team that at best will be mid-pack in the conference. But if you want to say the Beavers have turned the corner based on those two games then the key question is where does their change of direction take them. Not sure I’ve seen anything yet to indicate they can compete for 4th in conference, but maybe they don’t finish last as their noncon record would suggest. Anyway, hope they can continue getting better and WT gives playing time to those who can positively impact this season and beyond.
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Post by seastape on Jan 2, 2022 13:12:08 GMT -8
I don't know if the Beavs have turned a corner but they are at least playing a better brand of basketball. Maybe that can give us hope moving forward, if not for this season then for next. Davis is emerging as a true PG (when's the last time we had that?), Lucas and Alatishe are starting to look like their old selves (probably because of Davis' emergence) and Silva, despite tendinitis, is filling up the middle like we need. Some of the other new guys are showing flashes of potential as well.
OSU lost a lot of minutes from last year's squad and they've been slow to adjust. Ethan was obviously a big blow, but we can't discount the loss of minutes from guys who were not all-stars last year but still contributed, like Reichle, Hunt, Calloo, and especially Andela. For a big chunk of this season, we've only had two guys (Lucas and Alatishe) from last year's team play the regular minutes they had last year. It's tough to build a team on such a low level of consistency. Only just now are the Beavs possibly starting to emerge.
That's unfortunate because although the team shows improvement, the biggest question we have now is the same dam "biggest question" we have every year: does Tinkle have the ability to adjust to the loss of his best player(s)? Every season is the same: start out crappy, try to figure out what pieces fit, and then by the middle of conference play (or even later!) the team finally gels. Are we ever going to have a season with Tinkle as head coach in which the team is ready to go out of the gate? Or are we doomed to watch the team lose to the UC Davis' of the world for the rest of Tinkle's tenure in the desperate hope that he'll win the Pac 12 tourney and get us to the NCAAs?
The second biggest question we have every year is always the same, as well, and is a follow-up to the biggest question: once the team finally does gel and emerges from a spate of losing to RPI-250 teams, will they be good like 2020-21 or will they never move forward like 2016-17? So far, the average is to be a mid-tier Pac 12 team that is not quite tournament-worthy.
I like Tinkle. He is easily the best coach we have had since Miller and may even have the potential to surpass Miller. He seems to be a good man who involves himself with and supports the OSU and Corvallis community. He is the coach I want to see succeed at OSU and last year he did, even beyond the expectations of the last 30 years. I just want to see him get ahead of the constant pre-season mediocrity. That is the corner he needs to turn and it is now impossible to do so this year. Like always: maybe next year.
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Post by mountainbeaver on Jan 2, 2022 17:02:29 GMT -8
Hmmm. Horrible early season losses have been a Tinkle trademark, often followed
by wins where we think we’ve turned the corner. It’s been a depressingly
consistent pattern. On the other hand, you don’t make the elite 8 by fluke
or luck. Last years run including beating a very good UCLA team in the pac 12
tournament was built on great team defense. I’m often surprised how fine the
margin often is between pretty good or really lousy in D1 bball. We’ve had
2 Tinkle teams make the dance which has been great, and some depressingly
mediocre or bad teams as well. This team kind of baffles me. Last years team
was offensively pretty limited, but played great team defense. I’m kind of surprised
we’ve looked so lost defensively this year. If, we can at least get it together there,
we might win some games, bit I’m more inclined to think the pattern we’ve showed
so far is likely to continue. Would be fun to be wrong.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jan 2, 2022 19:50:08 GMT -8
Short answer…. Ummm, no.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 2, 2022 20:27:15 GMT -8
I don't think we'll know the answer to that for quite awhile. It's been such a quirky, jumbled up, virused up, f___ed up, cancelled up, postponed up, new-rostered up mess of a season, I can't make heads or tails of it. We are talking about the men's basketball team, RIGHT??
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 2, 2022 20:51:53 GMT -8
Has this team turned the corner? Who knows?
I'm wondering if there will be anyone in the stands to see it.
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Post by irimi on Jan 2, 2022 21:15:32 GMT -8
So weird. I know 1-10 lowers expectations, but... Beat a far lower echelon team in Nichols and a Utah team picked 10th by almost every Pac12 predictor... and OSU now may have turned a corner? Will battle for 4th in Pac12? A league win... good. But, at home vs a team picked near the bottom of the league. I'm going with offensive anomaly until proven otherwise. The real positive seems to be that the Pac12 is basically very very average after the top 3. I think we can see whether the team is turning the corner or gelling or just playing better together without analyzing the opponents. I know that you're responding to Beaverstever's post and that he tried to make a case for Nichols being strong. But I don't know if it is really necessary. The hallmarks are the leadership on the floor, the flow of the game, and the teamwork/trust. At least that's what I look at. And though I haven't seen many games, it sure looks like the team is finally coming together in these ways. The question remains as to whether it will stick, and whether we can build upon it. My thinking is that the team finally has a sense of direction. If it continues, it may be a bumpy ride, but it could be a lot of fun. |
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Post by ee1990 on Jan 4, 2022 2:09:58 GMT -8
So weird. I know 1-10 lowers expectations, but... Beat a far lower echelon team in Nichols and a Utah team picked 10th by almost every Pac12 predictor... and OSU now may have turned a corner? Will battle for 4th in Pac12? A league win... good. But, at home vs a team picked near the bottom of the league. I'm going with offensive anomaly until proven otherwise. The real positive seems to be that the Pac12 is basically very very average after the top 3. I think we can see whether the team is turning the corner or gelling or just playing better together without analyzing the opponents. I know that you're responding to Beaverstever's post and that he tried to make a case for Nichols being strong. But I don't know if it is really necessary. The hallmarks are the leadership on the floor, the flow of the game, and the teamwork/trust. At least that's what I look at. And though I haven't seen many games, it sure looks like the team is finally coming together in these ways. The question remains as to whether it will stick, and whether we can build upon it. My thinking is that the team finally has a sense of direction. If it continues, it may be a bumpy ride, but it could be a lot of fun. This s%#t is f%#*ing disgusting. Playing up to our potential is not losing to an "FCS" equivalent team? The hallmark of our program is losing to teams like Nichols, so I guess you're right. We just lost 10 games in a row, but I guess this is where we hear how good Samford is. The performance of this program is unacceptable, we used to be proud. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 4, 2022 11:30:08 GMT -8
Wonder if this team has really figured itself out, as it seems to be playing up to it's potential, or is it just the temporary upswing that comes from overall inconsistency? I'd sure like to believe it's the former, but hard to grasp hope that this is the case given the horrendous start. So I'm wondering if there's a view that does make sense. Looking back, they ended up playing a very good team their second game of the season in ISU, who has finally lost their first game of the season to #1 Baylor by 5 points. That started a subsequent stretch of 4 games lost by 6 points or less. The 15 point loss to PSU came the next day after an overtime loss to what currently looks like a good Wake Forrest team (currently a Quad 1 top 50 NET). So looking back, that stretch, while disappointing, doesn't seem that odd in terms of a stretch that can happen, if things just go badly. The Dec games, where we lost 4 more that were generally not competitive were to some even better teams in some cases (zona is the #1 Net team, A&M is #61), and not so great teams in Cal (#118) and UC Davis (#194) - that stretch felt like a team just losing grip overall. Since then, blasting Nichols State (#151), at team that was more competitive @purdue and @wisconsin than @osu, and Utah (#91) would suggest OSU is able to play at a top 100 NET level team, which then suggests they should be competitive against the conference games outside of USC, UCLA and UA. Their current NET is #218, which is well deserved with their record, and is also worse than anybody on their schedule outside of Portland State. Tulsa at #206 is the only sub-200 team they've lost to. Given the Covid mess, it might be a while before we know if this is fools gold or not, but I have to laugh that this team suddenly now looks like it can compete for 4th place in the Pac-12 (which looks like the first team left out of the Dance).  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2022 14:02:59 GMT -8
I think we can see whether the team is turning the corner or gelling or just playing better together without analyzing the opponents. I know that you're responding to Beaverstever's post and that he tried to make a case for Nichols being strong. But I don't know if it is really necessary. The hallmarks are the leadership on the floor, the flow of the game, and the teamwork/trust. At least that's what I look at. And though I haven't seen many games, it sure looks like the team is finally coming together in these ways. The question remains as to whether it will stick, and whether we can build upon it. My thinking is that the team finally has a sense of direction. If it continues, it may be a bumpy ride, but it could be a lot of fun. This s%#t is f%#*ing disgusting. Playing up to our potential is not losing to an "FCS" equivalent team? The hallmark of our program is losing to teams like Nichols, so I guess you're right. We just lost 10 games in a row, but I guess this is where we hear how good Samford is. The performance of this program is unacceptable, we used to be proud. ![]()  If the last 32 years have taught me anything, it is to be humble. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 4, 2022 18:09:01 GMT -8
Wonder if this team has really figured itself out, as it seems to be playing up to it's potential, or is it just the temporary upswing that comes from overall inconsistency? I'd sure like to believe it's the former, but hard to grasp hope that this is the case given the horrendous start. So I'm wondering if there's a view that does make sense. Looking back, they ended up playing a very good team their second game of the season in ISU, who has finally lost their first game of the season to #1 Baylor by 5 points. That started a subsequent stretch of 4 games lost by 6 points or less. The 15 point loss to PSU came the next day after an overtime loss to what currently looks like a good Wake Forrest team (currently a Quad 1 top 50 NET). So looking back, that stretch, while disappointing, doesn't seem that odd in terms of a stretch that can happen, if things just go badly. The Dec games, where we lost 4 more that were generally not competitive were to some even better teams in some cases (zona is the #1 Net team, A&M is #61), and not so great teams in Cal (#118) and UC Davis (#194) - that stretch felt like a team just losing grip overall. Since then, blasting Nichols State (#151), at team that was more competitive @purdue and @wisconsin than @osu, and Utah (#91) would suggest OSU is able to play at a top 100 NET level team, which then suggests they should be competitive against the conference games outside of USC, UCLA and UA. Their current NET is #218, which is well deserved with their record, and is also worse than anybody on their schedule outside of Portland State. Tulsa at #206 is the only sub-200 team they've lost to. Given the Covid mess, it might be a while before we know if this is fools gold or not, but I have to laugh that this team suddenly now looks like it can compete for 4th place in the Pac-12 (which looks like the first team left out of the Dance). All I know is we will probably win a bunch of games we should not and lose a bunch of games we should not and go limping into the Pac-12 tourney like, 10-19 or whatever where we then proceed to flat dominate everyone, get another automatic seed, this time as like a #12 or somes%#t, make the final four this time, have ESPN all elbow deep in our Cinderella story and Tinkle will get a lifetime extension. It is probably the thing that will most people simultaneously the happiest and angriest. |
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