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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 3, 2022 18:27:02 GMT -8
I think a fair number of religiously affiliated people in the US always feel persecuted no matter how big their numbers are.  "I'm finding paranoia keeps me alive."--Sayid Jarrah  |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 3, 2022 20:34:28 GMT -8
Some are getting dangerously close to the precipice. I hope they don’t fall off.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 3, 2022 21:12:23 GMT -8
Has anyone heard how Utah QB Cam Rising is doing? I assume he suffered at least a concussion. He was unconscious for an extended period. Hope he's all right.
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 3, 2022 22:02:18 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2022 14:44:07 GMT -8
"I'm finding paranoia keeps me alive."--Sayid Jarrah Emerson is talking about criticism of his work. His point is a great one about not taking criticism personally. But it is a non sequitur in this context. Zubik v. Burwell, 578 U.S. 403 (2016) (per curium). Persecution, not contradiction/criticism. Persecution, though. Respectfully, the Supreme Court should not have to police the executive branch to ensure that they are not trampling the religious liberty of a group of nuns, East Texas Baptist University, Southern Nazarene University and Geneva College. Contradiction and criticism are not persecution, but they can support active persecution. And sometimes, contradiction and criticism reveal the intention to persecute. "Mein Kampf" was, at one time, merely contradiction/criticism of a group of religious adherents. And then, it was put into action. I disagree with your repurposing of Emerson's quote into something, which he did not mean. But, to bring this thread back to the OP, Rose Bowel?  Nobody commented on it, so I thought that I would. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 4, 2022 15:00:07 GMT -8
Emerson is talking about criticism of his work. His point is a great one about not taking criticism personally. But it is a non sequitur in this context. Zubik v. Burwell, 578 U.S. 403 (2016) (per curium). Persecution, not contradiction/criticism. Persecution, though. Respectfully, the Supreme Court should not have to police the executive branch to ensure that they are not trampling the religious liberty of a group of nuns, East Texas Baptist University, Southern Nazarene University and Geneva College. Contradiction and criticism are not persecution, but they can support active persecution. And sometimes, contradiction and criticism reveal the intention to persecute. "Mein Kampf" was, at one time, merely contradiction/criticism of a group of religious adherents. And then, it was put into action. I disagree with your repurposing of Emerson's quote into something, which he did not mean. But, to bring this thread back to the OP, Rose Bowel? Nobody commented on it, so I thought that I would. You went Hitler/Mein Kampf on a sports message board. Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards, loss of down.  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 4, 2022 15:55:13 GMT -8
Emerson is talking about criticism of his work. His point is a great one about not taking criticism personally. But it is a non sequitur in this context. Zubik v. Burwell, 578 U.S. 403 (2016) (per curium). Persecution, not contradiction/criticism. Persecution, though. Respectfully, the Supreme Court should not have to police the executive branch to ensure that they are not trampling the religious liberty of a group of nuns, East Texas Baptist University, Southern Nazarene University and Geneva College. Contradiction and criticism are not persecution, but they can support active persecution. And sometimes, contradiction and criticism reveal the intention to persecute. "Mein Kampf" was, at one time, merely contradiction/criticism of a group of religious adherents. And then, it was put into action. I disagree with your repurposing of Emerson's quote into something, which he did not mean. But, to bring this thread back to the OP, Rose Bowel? Nobody commented on it, so I thought that I would. You went Hitler/Mein Kampf on a sports message board. Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards, loss of down. A lot of people dismissed the Nazis as all hat and no cattle. And then were genuinely surprised that they were going to act on their insane anti-religious beliefs. That was the example that jumped out to me. I thought about an example that was less inflammatory, but none immediately came to mind. The Nazis broadcasted criticism of a religion and then got in power and acted on that criticism. Dismissing religious criticism out of hand is a mistake IMO. I am not Mormon, but I work with a lot of Mormons. The anti-Mormon bigotry that this thread devolved into was a little much. I felt like someone had to say something.  As an aside, Martin Niemöller was a Nazi that supported the party until January 1934. (That was after the November 12, 1933 election, where the Nazis "won" 95.2% of the vote and after the Gestapo moved out of Prussia to the rest of Germany but before the Night of Long Knives.) Niemöller began to speak out in May 1934 and was arrested several times from 1934-1937 before finally being arrested for good in July 1937. He was convicted under the Law for the Prevention of Treacherous Attacks on State and Party and sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being moved to Dachau concentration camp. In April 1945, Niemöller and 140 high-ranking prisoners were transported to the south Tyrol region, where he was subsequently liberated by the American Seventh Army. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 4, 2022 16:40:18 GMT -8
You went Hitler/Mein Kampf on a sports message board. Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards, loss of down. A lot of people dismissed the Nazis as all hat and no cattle. And then were genuinely surprised that they were going to act on their insane anti-religious beliefs. That was the example that jumped out to me. I thought about an example that was less inflammatory, but none immediately came to mind. The Nazis broadcasted criticism of a religion and then got in power and acted on that criticism. Dismissing religious criticism out of hand is a mistake IMO. I am not Mormon, but I work with a lot of Mormons. The anti-Mormon bigotry that this thread devolved into was a little much. I felt like someone had to say something. As an aside, Martin Niemöller was a Nazi that supported the party until January 1934. (That was after the November 12, 1933 election, where the Nazis "won" 95.2% of the vote and after the Gestapo moved out of Prussia to the rest of Germany but before the Night of Long Knives.) Niemöller began to speak out in May 1934 and was arrested several times from 1934-1937 before finally being arrested for good in July 1937. He was convicted under the Law for the Prevention of Treacherous Attacks on State and Party and sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being moved to Dachau concentration camp. In April 1945, Niemöller and 140 high-ranking prisoners were transported to the south Tyrol region, where he was subsequently liberated by the American Seventh Army. I don’t think I was being anti-Mormon in any of my posts so I’ll consider the above as not directed to or against me. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 4, 2022 17:10:19 GMT -8
Thanks. No specifics but when someone gets KO'd like that I'd be surprised if he didn't suffer a concussion. |
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Post by seastape on Jan 4, 2022 20:44:01 GMT -8
Some are getting dangerously close to the precipice. I hope they don’t fall off. Sorry about that! |
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Post by seastape on Jan 4, 2022 20:48:52 GMT -8
You went Hitler/Mein Kampf on a sports message board. Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards, loss of down. A lot of people dismissed the Nazis as all hat and no cattle. And then were genuinely surprised that they were going to act on their insane anti-religious beliefs. That was the example that jumped out to me. I thought about an example that was less inflammatory, but none immediately came to mind. The Nazis broadcasted criticism of a religion and then got in power and acted on that criticism. Dismissing religious criticism out of hand is a mistake IMO. I am not Mormon, but I work with a lot of Mormons. The anti-Mormon bigotry that this thread devolved into was a little much. I felt like someone had to say something. As an aside, Martin Niemöller was a Nazi that supported the party until January 1934. (That was after the November 12, 1933 election, where the Nazis "won" 95.2% of the vote and after the Gestapo moved out of Prussia to the rest of Germany but before the Night of Long Knives.) Niemöller began to speak out in May 1934 and was arrested several times from 1934-1937 before finally being arrested for good in July 1937. He was convicted under the Law for the Prevention of Treacherous Attacks on State and Party and sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being moved to Dachau concentration camp. In April 1945, Niemöller and 140 high-ranking prisoners were transported to the south Tyrol region, where he was subsequently liberated by the American Seventh Army. I'm probably going to regret this but... What part of this thread shows anti-Mormon bigotry? |
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 4, 2022 21:44:20 GMT -8
A lot of people dismissed the Nazis as all hat and no cattle. And then were genuinely surprised that they were going to act on their insane anti-religious beliefs. That was the example that jumped out to me. I thought about an example that was less inflammatory, but none immediately came to mind. The Nazis broadcasted criticism of a religion and then got in power and acted on that criticism. Dismissing religious criticism out of hand is a mistake IMO. I am not Mormon, but I work with a lot of Mormons. The anti-Mormon bigotry that this thread devolved into was a little much. I felt like someone had to say something. As an aside, Martin Niemöller was a Nazi that supported the party until January 1934. (That was after the November 12, 1933 election, where the Nazis "won" 95.2% of the vote and after the Gestapo moved out of Prussia to the rest of Germany but before the Night of Long Knives.) Niemöller began to speak out in May 1934 and was arrested several times from 1934-1937 before finally being arrested for good in July 1937. He was convicted under the Law for the Prevention of Treacherous Attacks on State and Party and sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being moved to Dachau concentration camp. In April 1945, Niemöller and 140 high-ranking prisoners were transported to the south Tyrol region, where he was subsequently liberated by the American Seventh Army. I'm probably going to regret this but... What part of this thread shows anti-Mormon bigotry? I'm wondering is "anti-Mormon bigotry" like a double negative? 🤔 |
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