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Post by blodgettbeaver on Dec 29, 2021 14:36:48 GMT -8
I would add Art Pierce to that list. Solid running back.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 29, 2021 14:58:26 GMT -8
Since 1998: Simonton Jackson Bernard Rodgers Woods Nall Jefferson Baylor Yeah...not gonna worry about it. Next superstar RB step right up! Quizz and his brother rushed for almost 1700 yards in 2008. Not sure why you were even thinking about McCants And Ward was arguably a very good running back. He had a decent NFL career. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 29, 2021 15:26:42 GMT -8
While we've had a slew of great RBs since '98, we have had a couple of single year "lulls" where we were missing a top shelf back.
2004: (after Jackson) Bernard was a frosh and Dwight Wright led the team with fewer than 800 yards and under 4 YPC.
2011: (after Rodgers) a committee of Malcolm Agnew, Jovan Stephenson, and Terron Ward wasn't very effective.
ZERO 1000 yard rushers from 2011-2017, although, the tandem backfields of Woods & Ward (2012-2014) Woods & Nall (2015), and Nall & Pierce (2016-2017) were pretty solid prior to Jefferson's effort in 2018.
It's not a given that the Beavers will not miss a beat on the RB front.
That said, if 2021 is any indication, Coach Smith seems pretty willing to lean heavily on the running game if he perceives it as a strength.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Dec 29, 2021 19:38:57 GMT -8
Do believe BJ has degree.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 29, 2021 20:16:11 GMT -8
Since 1998: Simonton Jackson Bernard Rodgers Woods Nall Jefferson Baylor Yeah...not gonna worry about it. Next superstar RB step right up! Quizz and his brother rushed for almost 1700 yards in 2008. Not sure why you were even thinking about McCants Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 29, 2021 20:22:56 GMT -8
Eventually. But I mean off the top of my head: 2004 2007 USC and Oregon The first game and last three games of 2008 2011 I was chatting with my brother yesterday about how I thought that Baylor might leave. And that got us off on a tangent about how bad Ryan McCants was in 2008. And then we naturally talked about how we would have used Terron Ward and Storm Woods differently in 2013 and 2014. The lack of a real TB is glaring, when it happens. And it has definitely happened several times in the last 20 years alone. Well we know that we've got Trey Lowe and I thought he developed into a very serviceable back. Fenwick so far has been better than McCants from my perspective but does remind me of him a bit. Upright running style, long strides, so far not a great deal of elusiveness or vision showing but then honestly I also thought that of Baylor early on this season and all the sudden he and the OL got on the same page. What's the word on Isaiah Newell? The other thing that worries me about Fenwick is that he got the leg injury against Arizona State. Sometimes, TBs come back better than ever like Quizz in 2009. Other times, they disappear off the face of the Earth like Storm Woods. The fact that Fenwick peaked in week six and then quickly disappeared in the second half of the season also does not fill me with confidence. I like Trey Lowe, but it seems like he would need to put on a ton of muscle to be an every-down back. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 29, 2021 21:55:31 GMT -8
Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. So what you are saying is Riley wasn't very good at evaluating RB talent? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 30, 2021 9:58:48 GMT -8
Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. Back in the day, a kid named Dandridge (I think) was touted to be our next RB.. He got himself suspended and everyone was freaking out because we were going to have to start a true freshman 160 lb running back that wasn't well known named Simonton. That worked out OK. It's tough to predict if "the next man up" is going to pan out, but OSU has had a mostly pretty darned good 22-23 year stretch of success at the RB position. Hopefully that'll continue. As far as Fenwick goes, he was injured those last several weeks. I wouldn't count him out. He may not be "the" guy to carry the bulk of the load, but he proved to be a great change of pace when he was playing healthy. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 30, 2021 10:13:14 GMT -8
Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. Back in the day, a kid named Dandridge (I think) was touted to be our next RB.. He got himself suspended and everyone was freaking out because we were going to have to start a true freshman 160 lb running back that wasn't well known named Simonton. That worked out OK. It's tough to predict if "the next man up" is going to pan out, but OSU has had a mostly pretty darned good 22-23 year stretch of success at the RB position. Hopefully that'll continue. As far as Fenwick goes, he was injured those last several weeks. I wouldn't count him out. He may not be "the" guy to carry the bulk of the load, but he proved to be a great change of pace when he was playing healthy. I'll add... those supposed "down" years in the RB room had more to do with poor OL play and depth. And, not sure of those thinking Storm wasn't a quality guy?! Not flashy, injured some, but #6 all time in yards and TDs with mostly a pass 1st scheme during 3 seasons with Sean. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2021 12:33:48 GMT -8
Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. Back in the day, a kid named Dandridge (I think) was touted to be our next RB.. He got himself suspended and everyone was freaking out because we were going to have to start a true freshman 160 lb running back that wasn't well known named Simonton. That worked out OK. It's tough to predict if "the next man up" is going to pan out, but OSU has had a mostly pretty darned good 22-23 year stretch of success at the RB position. Hopefully that'll continue. As far as Fenwick goes, he was injured those last several weeks. I wouldn't count him out. He may not be "the" guy to carry the bulk of the load, but he proved to be a great change of pace when he was playing healthy. Calvin Carlyle and Jason Dandridge were the two players that got suspended over the Brenda Tracy rape case. Ken Simonton got the start at Nevada and never really looked back, until Steven Jackson showed up on campus after the Fiesta Bowl. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2021 12:58:13 GMT -8
Nothing comes to mind? I remember all of the McCants hype before the season started. And then Quizz came in against Penn State and made those people look stupid. So what you are saying is Riley wasn't very good at evaluating RB talent? He was just as good, if not better, than all the wannabe coaches on the BFC board talking up McCants. How about this? 2007 leading rushers: 1. Yvenson Bernard Graduated
2. Matt Sieverson Graduated
3. Clinton Polk Graduated
4. Patrick Fuller Transferred
After the season ended, I believe that the only running back that was still on the team in 2008 was Ryan McCants, a redshirt freshman. Jeremy Francis was a JuCo transfer. And Keynan Parker, Quizz and Jovan Stevenson were each true freshmen.
Maybe there was something in Fall Camp that gave Riley pause about starting Quizz over McCants? After McCants' dreadful performance against Stanford, though, the hesitation disappeared and Quizz went in.
Even Smitty started Noyer over Nolan in Week 1. Once you get a chance to see how they perform in true game situations, the decision often becomes much easier. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2021 13:03:21 GMT -8
Back in the day, a kid named Dandridge (I think) was touted to be our next RB.. He got himself suspended and everyone was freaking out because we were going to have to start a true freshman 160 lb running back that wasn't well known named Simonton. That worked out OK. It's tough to predict if "the next man up" is going to pan out, but OSU has had a mostly pretty darned good 22-23 year stretch of success at the RB position. Hopefully that'll continue. As far as Fenwick goes, he was injured those last several weeks. I wouldn't count him out. He may not be "the" guy to carry the bulk of the load, but he proved to be a great change of pace when he was playing healthy. I'll add... those supposed "down" years in the RB room had more to do with poor OL play and depth. And, not sure of those thinking Storm wasn't a quality guy?! Not flashy, injured some, but #6 all time in yards and TDs with mostly a pass 1st scheme during 3 seasons with Sean. Depth sure. But outside of maybe 2004, I don't think that OL play was as big of an issue as just having the wrong back back there. Storm Woods was great, but he was misused IMO. Terron Ward should have handled more of the load. Woods was great with a lead blocker or out in space. I hated to watch him run over and over between the tackles. That just was not where he excelled IMO. If there was more depth at RB, he could have been more of a change-of-pace and third-down back and just racked up the yards and touchdowns. Instead, he was worn down game after game trying to eke out a couple of yards up the gut and then was less explosive out in space. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 2, 2022 12:51:04 GMT -8
I'll add... those supposed "down" years in the RB room had more to do with poor OL play and depth. And, not sure of those thinking Storm wasn't a quality guy?! Not flashy, injured some, but #6 all time in yards and TDs with mostly a pass 1st scheme during 3 seasons with Sean. Depth sure. But outside of maybe 2004, I don't think that OL play was as big of an issue as just having the wrong back back there. Storm Woods was great, but he was misused IMO. Terron Ward should have handled more of the load. Woods was great with a lead blocker or out in space. I hated to watch him run over and over between the tackles. That just was not where he excelled IMO. If there was more depth at RB, he could have been more of a change-of-pace and third-down back and just racked up the yards and touchdowns. Instead, he was worn down game after game trying to eke out a couple of yards up the gut and then was less explosive out in space. If St. Dennis had Storm Woods in his offense, he would have been the slot receiver. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 2, 2022 14:50:15 GMT -8
Eventually. But I mean off the top of my head: 2004 2007 USC and Oregon The first game and last three games of 2008 2011 I was chatting with my brother yesterday about how I thought that Baylor might leave. And that got us off on a tangent about how bad Ryan McCants was in 2008. And then we naturally talked about how we would have used Terron Ward and Storm Woods differently in 2013 and 2014. The lack of a real TB is glaring, when it happens. And it has definitely happened several times in the last 20 years alone. Well we know that we've got Trey Lowe and I thought he developed into a very serviceable back. Fenwick so far has been better than McCants from my perspective but does remind me of him a bit. Upright running style, long strides, so far not a great deal of elusiveness or vision showing but then honestly I also thought that of Baylor early on this season and all the sudden he and the OL got on the same page. What's the word on Isaiah Newell? Newell and it would not surprise me to see a true freshman Martinez get some early carries next year. I think Lowe stays a 3rd down back. Fenwick's job to lose, just not sure he keeps it all season. He was good as a rotation guy, but I think all the things you note about him is what may hold him back as an every down guy. bit too tight of a runner for between the tackle stuff. |
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 3, 2022 19:12:02 GMT -8
I’m looking forward to seeing what D Collins can do.
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