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Post by nabeav on Oct 26, 2016 7:55:16 GMT -8
Also, I didn't bring this thread back to the top to talk about Riley. I brought it up to talk about the comment that Oregon would be Pac-12 champs if they had Garretson running the show.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 26, 2016 8:05:53 GMT -8
Didn't OSU start out at 7-0 under Riley one year? I know 6-1 in 2013, don't recall a 7-0. cough cough cough Eastern Washington cough cough 2012 and 2013 really stick out in my mind as lost opportunities. 2012- a hurricane postpones the Nichols St. game to after the civil war. Had this game happened, it would have been a 7-0 start and maybe, just maybe Mediocre Mike could surpass that 4 loss threshold. 2013- EWU. Win a game you could and are supposed to, and your 7-0 going into consecutive home games. But no, Riley mimics the Bellotti Fade (tm) with a nice 5 loss streak ending up a very mediocre 7-6 with a embarrassment v. UW at home. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 26, 2016 9:02:28 GMT -8
Also, I didn't bring this thread back to the top to talk about Riley. I brought it up to talk about the comment that Oregon would be Pac-12 champs if they had Garretson running the show. Unfortunately someone decided 7-0 is mediocre and opened the floodgates. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 9:10:06 GMT -8
that game kind of exposes NU for being mediocre at best this year (and way overated in rankings). their fans know it too after last weeks game. Mediocre by what measure...worst or second worst of remaining undefeated teams? I'm gonna die laughing if Nebraska wins this week and moves into the upper echelon of mediocre. Gotta give Riley credit for winning the games he's supposed to win. I figured they would be 5-2 right now with at least one boneheaded loss. But not yet. Nebraska 2016 may go down like OS 2013, and if that's the case you can slap the mediocre tag on them. But they are ranked in the top 10, that's pretty awesome considering this wasn't supposed to be a great year for them. The thing that sticks out to me, despite some maybe unimpressive final scores is how absolutely dominate Nebraska has been in the second half of games. It is like every game they are poking around at the team figuring it out. They go in the locker room at half and say "Okay, this is what we are gonna go" and come out and destroy them. So, sure, 27-22 against Indiana, 27-14 against Purdue. Close scores against mediocre teams. you watch the first half and you are like "yikes, here we go with Medicore Mike again" and then the come out in the second half and simple close the door and it isn't even close. at no point does the other team ever look like it is going to score. So far, Nebraska has scored 19 TDs in the second half of games out of 31 total TDs. 13 of those have come in the 4th quarter. Opponents have scored 6 total TDs in 7 games in the second half, and 2 total TDs in the 4th quarter. Nebraska has 11 of their 13 interceptions in the second half and 7 in the 4th quarter. It will be an interesting game this weekend for sure. One thing is for sure, it will like answer the question of if Nebraska is legit or not. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2016 9:16:39 GMT -8
Mediocre by what measure...worst or second worst of remaining undefeated teams? I'm gonna die laughing if Nebraska wins this week and moves into the upper echelon of mediocre. Gotta give Riley credit for winning the games he's supposed to win. I figured they would be 5-2 right now with at least one boneheaded loss. But not yet. Nebraska 2016 may go down like OS 2013, and if that's the case you can slap the mediocre tag on them. But they are ranked in the top 10, that's pretty awesome considering this wasn't supposed to be a great year for them. The thing that sticks out to me, despite some maybe unimpressive final scores is how absolutely dominate Nebraska has been in the second half of games. It is like every game they are poking around at the team figuring it out. They go in the locker room at half and say "Okay, this is what we are gonna go" and come out and destroy them. So, sure, 27-22 against Indiana, 27-14 against Purdue. Close scores against mediocre teams. you watch the first half and you are like "yikes, here we go with Medicore Mike again" and then the come out in the second half and simple close the door and it isn't even close. at no point does the other team ever look like it is going to score. So far, Nebraska has scored 19 TDs in the second half of games out of 31 total TDs. 13 of those have come in the 4th quarter. Opponents have scored 6 total TDs in 7 games in the second half, and 2 total TDs in the 4th quarter. Nebraska has 11 of their 13 interceptions in the second half and 7 in the 4th quarter. It will be an interesting game this weekend for sure. One thing is for sure, it will like answer the question of if Nebraska is legit or not. Not sure what "legit" means anymore... 7-0 is 7-0... you only can play the teams scheduled. Even a loss to Wisky is a good loss if close/good game. But if legit is meaning Top 5-10... again by who's standard? The freaking poll that only drops tOSU to #6 losing to a PennSt team Michigam throttled and looked terrible in losing a lead late. |
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 26, 2016 9:42:55 GMT -8
that game kind of exposes NU for being mediocre at best this year (and way overated in rankings). their fans know it too after last weeks game. Mediocre by what measure...worst or second worst of remaining undefeated teams? mediocre by only beating Oregon in total desperation in 4th quarter (they were very lucky to convert a 4th and long). and by the way they performed against the team they played last week (couldn't run the ball). their own board posters are bringing it up that it was nice while it lasted this season before being exposed. |
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Post by ronatemg on Oct 26, 2016 9:43:59 GMT -8
I know 6-1 in 2013, don't recall a 7-0. cough cough cough Eastern Washington cough cough 2012 and 2013 really stick out in my mind as lost opportunities. 2012- a hurricane postpones the Nichols St. game to after the civil war. Had this game happened, it would have been a 7-0 start and maybe, just maybe Mediocre Mike could surpass that 4 loss threshold. 2013- EWU. Win a game you could and are supposed to, and your 7-0 going into consecutive home games. But no, Riley mimics the Bellotti Fade (tm) with a nice 5 loss streak ending up a very mediocre 7-6 with a embarrassment v. UW at home. I'll disagree with the 2012 game. By not having the Nichols st game #1 we were able to not give Wisconsin any game tape of us. Bielma even didn't send us tape of Wisconsin's first game as we couldn't reciprocate. They went into our game with no idea of what they'd be facing other than 2011 game tape (which as we know 2011 wasn't very good). We then went on to beat UCLA and Zona and those 3 wins to start out the year propelled us to a very high ranking until the UW game. Definitely agree with the EWU game though. We were a top 25 team, a ton of positive press out of the 2012 season, expected to go 7-0 before Stanford and compete for P12 North crown. Then Banker's D did its thing against a mobile QB and we lost all that momentum and I venture we never recovered it after the EWU game, either for the rest of the 2013 and 2014 seasons. We've never been on the national scene since that EWU game.... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 26, 2016 10:05:25 GMT -8
Mediocre by what measure...worst or second worst of remaining undefeated teams? I'm gonna die laughing if Nebraska wins this week and moves into the upper echelon of mediocre. Gotta give Riley credit for winning the games he's supposed to win. I figured they would be 5-2 right now with at least one boneheaded loss. But not yet. Nebraska 2016 may go down like OS 2013, and if that's the case you can slap the mediocre tag on them. But they are ranked in the top 10, that's pretty awesome considering this wasn't supposed to be a great year for them. The thing that sticks out to me, despite some maybe unimpressive final scores is how absolutely dominate Nebraska has been in the second half of games. It is like every game they are poking around at the team figuring it out. They go in the locker room at half and say "Okay, this is what we are gonna go" and come out and destroy them. So, sure, 27-22 against Indiana, 27-14 against Purdue. Close scores against mediocre teams. you watch the first half and you are like "yikes, here we go with Medicore Mike again" and then the come out in the second half and simple close the door and it isn't even close. at no point does the other team ever look like it is going to score. So far, Nebraska has scored 19 TDs in the second half of games out of 31 total TDs. 13 of those have come in the 4th quarter. Opponents have scored 6 total TDs in 7 games in the second half, and 2 total TDs in the 4th quarter. Nebraska has 11 of their 13 interceptions in the second half and 7 in the 4th quarter. It will be an interesting game this weekend for sure. One thing is for sure, it will like answer the question of if Nebraska is legit or not. Reminds me of the game against #3 USC in 2006. 7-0 Oregon State after one. USC outscores Oregon State 10-9 in the second. Oregon State makes halftime adjustments and scores 17 straight in the third quarter. USC scores 21 straight to be a completed pass away from winning the game. #2 Cal in 2007. 7-0 Oregon State after one. California outscores Oregon State 14-6 in the second. Oregon State makes halftime adjustments outscores California 18-7 to start the second half. California scores with 2:31 left. Oregon State cannot run out the clock, and California has a chance to tie late, if not for Kevin Riley's blunder. Banker and Riley generally were good in the first and third quarter. It was the second and fourth quarters that did them in. They each generally could out-script the other team. However, once they got off-script and were forced to improvise--e.g., somebody dropped a catchable ball or someone got hurt--they did not always have the depth to stay ahead. Nebraska has much more depth. The Cornhuskers make halftime adjustments and the game is effectively over. 29-0 over Fresno, 35-10 over Wyoming, 21-12 over Oregon, 14-6 over Northwestern, 21-3 over Illinois, and 17-0 over Purdue. The only team that was able to hang with Nebraska in the second half was Indiana, who runs an Oregonesque spread option offense (they have two four-paneled signs on offense). Indiana still only outscored Nebraska 14-10 and were not able to overcome the Nebraska's 17-8 first half lead. (Banker accused Indiana of stealing defensive signals.) 137-45 in the second half. 20-6 on average. Nebraska at Wisconsin will be interesting. A lot of ex-Pac-10 coaches. Last time Chryst squared off against Banker was 2011. Chryst had Russell Wilson and Montee Ball. The result? Wilson throws 17/21 for 189 and three touchdowns with a QBR of 97.8. Ball rushed 18 times for 118 yards and two additional touchdowns. 35-0 Wisconsin. On the other side of the ball, Riley and Langsdorf get to go up against one of the cheapest coaches in the country in Justin Wilcox. Oregon State was 0-4 against Wilcox defenses under Riley. Scored 7 against Boise in 2006 (Stroughter returned a punt 66 yards for a touchdown in the first quarter, 42-14), 17 against Washington in 2012 (20-17), 20 against Washington in 2013 (Bolden returned a punt for 98 yards and a touchdown in the fourth quarter, 69-27), and 3 against USC in 2014 (Murphy returned a kickoff 97 yards and a touchdown in the first quarter, 35-10). Should be interesting. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 26, 2016 10:45:35 GMT -8
2012 and 2013 really stick out in my mind as lost opportunities. 2012- a hurricane postpones the Nichols St. game to after the civil war. Had this game happened, it would have been a 7-0 start and maybe, just maybe Mediocre Mike could surpass that 4 loss threshold. 2013- EWU. Win a game you could and are supposed to, and your 7-0 going into consecutive home games. But no, Riley mimics the Bellotti Fade (tm) with a nice 5 loss streak ending up a very mediocre 7-6 with a embarrassment v. UW at home. I'll disagree with the 2012 game. By not having the Nichols st game #1 we were able to not give Wisconsin any game tape of us. Bielma even didn't send us tape of Wisconsin's first game as we couldn't reciprocate. They went into our game with no idea of what they'd be facing other than 2011 game tape (which as we know 2011 wasn't very good). We then went on to beat UCLA and Zona and those 3 wins to start out the year propelled us to a very high ranking until the UW game. Definitely agree with the EWU game though. We were a top 25 team, a ton of positive press out of the 2012 season, expected to go 7-0 before Stanford and compete for P12 North crown. Then Banker's D did its thing against a mobile QB and we lost all that momentum and I venture we never recovered it after the EWU game, either for the rest of the 2013 and 2014 seasons. We've never been on the national scene since that EWU game.... The cool part was that Riley was such a nice guy that he still got the tape from Northern Iowa. (Wisconsin struggled in a 26-21 home win against #9 in the FCS Northern Iowa.) 6-0 start is still the best start in Oregon State history. (The 1907 team started 6-0, but the first game was against the Astoria Athletic Club, so only 5-0 against college competition.) Mannion got hurt in game 5 and Mike, Langsdorf, and Mannion bungled the whole thing. Add in Wilcox' defense head-hunting Wheaton and some terrible officiating and the Washington game unraveled. Mannion should have started against Stanford. Instead, Vaz fumbled away the game with 8:34 left, allowing a hapless Stanford with Kevin Hogan making his first start to drive 29 yards for the winning score. Mannion also should have started against Texas. Instead, Vaz goes 15-28 for 194 yards and two interceptions (QBR of 6.0) and taking 10 sacks for a loss of 81 yards, 113 net passing yards on 38 passing plays (3.0 yards per passing play). (I really think that Riley was looking forward to the next year, but I think that he totally underestimated how morale-destroying blowing a 10 point lead to the--at one point--ninth-ranked team in the country with 8:18 left was.) We were on the national scene after starting 6-1 in 2013. #6 Stanford came to Corvallis against #25 Oregon State. 20-12. Bad first half coaching on offense, one bad defensive series, and one bad fumble cost Oregon State a win against a very solid Stanford team. Several injuries from the game doomed the second half of the season, which started a slide, which really has never stopped. No depth. Plus, Riley mis-handled the whole Ward-Woods at running back situation. Bad officiating at Arizona State turned the game into a blowout on the scoreboard despite the fact that it was a much closer game. Riley realized that teams were on to his play-calling after the Washington debacle and let Langs start calling plays again. Oregon was a very good team in 2013, but Oregon State could not stop the Ducks, when it counted. Tough five games. A lot of the pieces got healthy for the bowl game and Oregon State dominated Boise State in every facet of the game, up 38-6 with 20 minutes left in the game against a team that was ranked 19th coming into the season. Riley put it in cruise control for the last third. Of course Seumalo got hurt in the game and would not return until 2015 and Crichton inexplicably bolted to the NFL, which helped destroy any forward momentum created by the game. Afterwards BDC started interfering more and more with football operations. With no help in sight from President Ray, Riley started looking to move on. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 10:48:12 GMT -8
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 26, 2016 11:07:23 GMT -8
Mediocre by what measure...worst or second worst of remaining undefeated teams? I'm gonna die laughing if Nebraska wins this week and moves into the upper echelon of mediocre. Gotta give Riley credit for winning the games he's supposed to win. I figured they would be 5-2 right now with at least one boneheaded loss. But not yet. Nebraska 2016 may go down like OS 2013, and if that's the case you can slap the mediocre tag on them. But they are ranked in the top 10, that's pretty awesome considering this wasn't supposed to be a great year for them. The thing that sticks out to me, despite some maybe unimpressive final scores is how absolutely dominate Nebraska has been in the second half of games. It is like every game they are poking around at the team figuring it out. They go in the locker room at half and say "Okay, this is what we are gonna go" and come out and destroy them. So, sure, 27-22 against Indiana, 27-14 against Purdue. Close scores against mediocre teams. you watch the first half and you are like "yikes, here we go with Medicore Mike again" and then the come out in the second half and simple close the door and it isn't even close. at no point does the other team ever look like it is going to score. So far, Nebraska has scored 19 TDs in the second half of games out of 31 total TDs. 13 of those have come in the 4th quarter. Opponents have scored 6 total TDs in 7 games in the second half, and 2 total TDs in the 4th quarter. Nebraska has 11 of their 13 interceptions in the second half and 7 in the 4th quarter. It will be an interesting game this weekend for sure. One thing is for sure, it will like answer the question of if Nebraska is legit or not. I think it's just more that Nebraska is legitimately better, deeper, and more talented than every team they beat this year, including Oregon. They are pounding out inferior teams, not making any magical adjustments or motivational speeches to get the troops fired up. OK, against Oregon big balls Riley reared his glorious head and going for it on 4th and 9 or whatever it was probably went against every fiber of his play it safe being telling him to punt. Who knows, maybe he had a Mountain Dew at half time. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 26, 2016 11:33:01 GMT -8
The thing that sticks out to me, despite some maybe unimpressive final scores is how absolutely dominate Nebraska has been in the second half of games. It is like every game they are poking around at the team figuring it out. They go in the locker room at half and say "Okay, this is what we are gonna go" and come out and destroy them. So, sure, 27-22 against Indiana, 27-14 against Purdue. Close scores against mediocre teams. you watch the first half and you are like "yikes, here we go with Medicore Mike again" and then the come out in the second half and simple close the door and it isn't even close. at no point does the other team ever look like it is going to score. So far, Nebraska has scored 19 TDs in the second half of games out of 31 total TDs. 13 of those have come in the 4th quarter. Opponents have scored 6 total TDs in 7 games in the second half, and 2 total TDs in the 4th quarter. Nebraska has 11 of their 13 interceptions in the second half and 7 in the 4th quarter. It will be an interesting game this weekend for sure. One thing is for sure, it will like answer the question of if Nebraska is legit or not. I think it's just more that Nebraska is legitimately better, deeper, and more talented than every team they beat this year, including Oregon. They are pounding out inferior teams, not making any magical adjustments or motivational speeches to get the troops fired up. OK, against Oregon big balls Riley reared his glorious head and going for it on 4th and 9 or whatever it was probably went against every fiber of his play it safe being telling him to punt. Who knows, maybe he had a Mountain Dew at half time. Pretty un-Riley of 2010-2014 yes. Not un-Riley of 1997-1998 and 2004-2009. Riley rolled the dice a lot more in those years. 2010-2014 was a much, much more conservative coaching effort. But all that aside, I will also maintain game 3 Oregon was not current Oregon. Crosby, Allen and Freeman all were injured against Nebraska. Crosby and Allen for the year and Freeman, would miss a game but has never looked like himself since. Crosby was a stud tackle and they really miss him. and since that game, the ducks have been a Mash unit. They have lost key defensive players in nearly every game since... against Colorado the next week and WSU the week after that.. and what was a weak unit in game 3 is now simply outright bad thanks to it. Oregon's season unraveled, but they were not as current state bad there against Nebraska. People want to point to that as an example of Nebraska being bad. "Sneaking past a bad Oregon team on 4th down conversion"... Lets not forget Oregon was ranked 23rd at the time and while it had displayed a questionable D, it wasn't yet cover your eyes terrible. All that aside, this Whiskey-Nebraska game is pretty darn intriguing. A team most people consider pretty solid versus a huge question mark team. could be good, could be bad, or could simply be mediocre. |
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 26, 2016 11:51:08 GMT -8
I think it's just more that Nebraska is legitimately better, deeper, and more talented than every team they beat this year, including Oregon. They are pounding out inferior teams, not making any magical adjustments or motivational speeches to get the troops fired up. OK, against Oregon big balls Riley reared his glorious head and going for it on 4th and 9 or whatever it was probably went against every fiber of his play it safe being telling him to punt. Who knows, maybe he had a Mountain Dew at half time. Pretty un-Riley of 2010-2014 yes. Not un-Riley of 1997-1998 and 2004-2009. Riley rolled the dice a lot more in those years. 2010-2014 was a much, much more conservative coaching effort. But all that aside, I will also maintain game 3 Oregon was not current Oregon. Crosby, Allen and Freeman all were injured against Nebraska. Crosby and Allen for the year and Freeman, would miss a game but has never looked like himself since. Crosby was a stud tackle and they really miss him. and since that game, the ducks have been a Mash unit. They have lost key defensive players in nearly every game since... against Colorado the next week and WSU the week after that.. and what was a weak unit in game 3 is now simply outright bad thanks to it. Oregon's season unraveled, but they were not as current state bad there against Nebraska. People want to point to that as an example of Nebraska being bad. "Sneaking past a bad Oregon team on 4th down conversion"... Lets not forget Oregon was ranked 23rd at the time and while it had displayed a questionable D, it wasn't yet cover your eyes terrible. All that aside, this Whiskey-Nebraska game is pretty darn intriguing. A team most people consider pretty solid versus a huge question mark team. could be good, could be bad, or could simply be mediocre. Wasn't oregon favored against Nebraska? Not only did they suffer the injuries which made them a lessor team in following games, losing that game after having a comfortable lead had to take a toll on them and that's when players start questioning coaching decisions. Once that happens teams usually have all sorts of issues which it looks like they've had. For the most part Nebraska has been able to simply control most aspects of every game they've played since without needing to step on the throttle. You look at how they've played the final minutes of games and get the idea they've been toying with the other team the prior 3 and a half quarters. When the time is right, there's a lot of room left between the gas peddle and the floorboard. |
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Post by nabeav on Oct 26, 2016 12:15:50 GMT -8
I completely regret bringing this thread back to the top now. Sorry folks.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 26, 2016 19:49:40 GMT -8
I think it's just more that Nebraska is legitimately better, deeper, and more talented than every team they beat this year, including Oregon. They are pounding out inferior teams, not making any magical adjustments or motivational speeches to get the troops fired up. OK, against Oregon big balls Riley reared his glorious head and going for it on 4th and 9 or whatever it was probably went against every fiber of his play it safe being telling him to punt. Who knows, maybe he had a Mountain Dew at half time. Pretty un-Riley of 2010-2014 yes. Not un-Riley of 1997-1998 and 2004-2009. Riley rolled the dice a lot more in those years. 2010-2014 was a much, much more conservative coaching effort. But all that aside, I will also maintain game 3 Oregon was not current Oregon. Crosby, Allen and Freeman all were injured against Nebraska. Crosby and Allen for the year and Freeman, would miss a game but has never looked like himself since. Crosby was a stud tackle and they really miss him. and since that game, the ducks have been a Mash unit. They have lost key defensive players in nearly every game since... against Colorado the next week and WSU the week after that.. and what was a weak unit in game 3 is now simply outright bad thanks to it. Oregon's season unraveled, but they were not as current state bad there against Nebraska. People want to point to that as an example of Nebraska being bad. "Sneaking past a bad Oregon team on 4th down conversion"... Lets not forget Oregon was ranked 23rd at the time and while it had displayed a questionable D, it wasn't yet cover your eyes terrible. All that aside, this Whiskey-Nebraska game is pretty darn intriguing. A team most people consider pretty solid versus a huge question mark team. could be good, could be bad, or could simply be mediocre. Riley rolled the dice at the beginning of 2010, and it bit him. He played uber-conservative in the 2010 Civil War, and it bit him. 2012 Alamo Bowl was a conservative fiasco. He rolled the dice during the Utah game, and it worked. He rolled the dice during the Stanford game in 2013, and it bit him. Once Langs took over the offense in 2013, continuing into 2014 under Garrett, the team was a lot more subdued offensively. (The 2014 Utah loss is a good example.) But, up until mid-2013, Riley was a Riverboat gambler. |
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