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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 7, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2021 14:53:23 GMT -8
Yes.. the REAL All-Pac-12 selections that took the ABSURD and LUDICROUS step of naming the league leading rusher and tacklers and first team selections... Nice night cap to the rebound year we have all been waiting for since 2014 or so. Next season is going to be fun, I am excited, moreso than I have been in years. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2021 14:57:38 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 7, 2021 18:09:22 GMT -8
Hard to argue with COTY...I hope 9r came in second.. really hate Coach of the year defaulting to the coach that wins the league. Whitt did a great job.. and to be fair, exceeded preseason expectations where USC, was pick to win the South by nearly everybody... But Utah was generally right there at #2 and most people, now rightfully, noted them as the team to really watch. But literally everybody picked OSU either dead last, or second to last. Utah was expected to be a 9+ win team that competed with USC for the South title. OSU was expected to try and be respectable on it's route to 6th in the North and 11th or 12th in the league. I guess it is hard to celebrate the coach that comes in 6th... particularly when he dropped two crucial road games they were favored in... but Smith's overall job this season was exceptional given where most people had us. I can't really argue that hard against Whitt, anybody that smacks around Oregon that badly, twice in one season is a friend of mine... but still, Utah and OSU are not at the same place in the big picture, program-wise, and I think Smith's results show a higher elevation of results relative to expectations. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 7, 2021 23:10:20 GMT -8
Hard to argue with COTY...I hope 9r came in second.. really hate Coach of the year defaulting to the coach that wins the league. Whitt did a great job.. and to be fair, exceeded preseason expectations where USC, was pick to win the South by nearly everybody... But Utah was generally right there at #2 and most people, now rightfully, noted them as the team to really watch. But literally everybody picked OSU either dead last, or second to last. Utah was expected to be a 9+ win team that competed with USC for the South title. OSU was expected to try and be respectable on it's route to 6th in the North and 11th or 12th in the league. I guess it is hard to celebrate the coach that comes in 6th... particularly when he dropped two crucial road games they were favored in... but Smith's overall job this season was exceptional given where most people had us. I can't really argue that hard against Whitt, anybody that smacks around Oregon that badly, twice in one season is a friend of mine... but still, Utah and OSU are not at the same place in the big picture, program-wise, and I think Smith's results show a higher elevation of results relative to expectations. Your post, your opinion. But, really boils down to intelligently phrased sour grapes. IMHO of course. Based on... how was it "defaulted to"? Unless I'm mistaken it's a vote? Did the coaches make an agreement to just vote the champion COY? Evidence? Where is it said COY based on preseason writers and their expectations or a coach's poll? JS's team handled Utah. But, Utah was clearly the best team in the Pac12 the last ½ of the season. Seemingly improving each week. And, after also dealing with so much tragedy. OSU finished 2-3 after the Utah win. Losing to two non bowl teams... badly. Not consistent. Not improving week by week. And, after a 4-1 start prob did not meet "new" expectations to some degree. As expectations do tend to change as a season progresses. KW is a superior coach to JS at this juncture in their careers. KW has done it consistently for a long time. I love a ton about what JS has done here. But, he's in his infancy as a HC. KW is by far and away the COY. *Just FYI... unless mistakenly researched, the last Pac12 champ COY was 2015, Furd/Shaw shared with WSU/Leach. The next was 2012 Furd/Shaw. So 3 times (one was shared) in the last 10 seasons has COY coached the Pac12 champ. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 8, 2021 8:38:12 GMT -8
Great to see Jack recognized / 2nd team special teams. Seems
Like they were considering his overall work here, but a tough player to slot in this type of list.
Also, love to see us having the longest list of honorable mention players, most of whom are returning. Good sign of the program’s trend.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 8, 2021 8:50:55 GMT -8
really hate Coach of the year defaulting to the coach that wins the league. Whitt did a great job.. and to be fair, exceeded preseason expectations where USC, was pick to win the South by nearly everybody... But Utah was generally right there at #2 and most people, now rightfully, noted them as the team to really watch. But literally everybody picked OSU either dead last, or second to last. Utah was expected to be a 9+ win team that competed with USC for the South title. OSU was expected to try and be respectable on it's route to 6th in the North and 11th or 12th in the league. I guess it is hard to celebrate the coach that comes in 6th... particularly when he dropped two crucial road games they were favored in... but Smith's overall job this season was exceptional given where most people had us. I can't really argue that hard against Whitt, anybody that smacks around Oregon that badly, twice in one season is a friend of mine... but still, Utah and OSU are not at the same place in the big picture, program-wise, and I think Smith's results show a higher elevation of results relative to expectations. Your post, your opinion. But, really boils down to intelligently phrased sour grapes. IMHO of course. Based on... how was it "defaulted to"? Unless I'm mistaken it's a vote? Did the coaches make an agreement to just vote the champion COY? Evidence? Where is it said COY based on preseason writers and their expectations or a coach's poll? JS's team handled Utah. But, Utah was clearly the best team in the Pac12 the last ½ of the season. Seemingly improving each week. And, after also dealing with so much tragedy. OSU finished 2-3 after the Utah win. Losing to two non bowl teams... badly. Not consistent. Not improving week by week. And, after a 4-1 start prob did not meet "new" expectations to some degree. As expectations do tend to change as a season progresses. KW is a superior coach to JS at this juncture in their careers. KW has done it consistently for a long time. I love a ton about what JS has done here. But, he's in his infancy as a HC. KW is by far and away the COY. *Just FYI... unless mistakenly researched, the last Pac12 champ COY was 2015, Furd/Shaw shared with WSU/Leach. The next was 2012 Furd/Shaw. So 3 times (one was shared) in the last 10 seasons has COY coached the Pac12 champ. JS was on his way to winning the award until those road losses. Overall he did a nice job for sure, but to get COY after having the team unprepared against several inferior opponents would make the award itself look bad, IMO. I do have issues with Utah losing to BYU and SDSU (good teams but not better teams) and not beginning the season with Rising at QB is partly responsive. But losing to OSU was the poorest performance for Whittingham overall, and everybody else had much uglier losses. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 8, 2021 9:40:29 GMT -8
Hard to argue with COTY...I hope 9r came in second.. really hate Coach of the year defaulting to the coach that wins the league. Whitt did a great job.. and to be fair, exceeded preseason expectations where USC, was pick to win the South by nearly everybody... But Utah was generally right there at #2 and most people, now rightfully, noted them as the team to really watch. But literally everybody picked OSU either dead last, or second to last. Utah was expected to be a 9+ win team that competed with USC for the South title. OSU was expected to try and be respectable on it's route to 6th in the North and 11th or 12th in the league. I guess it is hard to celebrate the coach that comes in 6th... particularly when he dropped two crucial road games they were favored in... but Smith's overall job this season was exceptional given where most people had us. I can't really argue that hard against Whitt, anybody that smacks around Oregon that badly, twice in one season is a friend of mine... but still, Utah and OSU are not at the same place in the big picture, program-wise, and I think Smith's results show a higher elevation of results relative to expectations. We were not predicted to finish 6th in the North to start the year. We were predicted to finish ahead of WSU. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 8, 2021 9:44:13 GMT -8
Your post, your opinion. But, really boils down to intelligently phrased sour grapes. IMHO of course. Based on... how was it "defaulted to"? Unless I'm mistaken it's a vote? Did the coaches make an agreement to just vote the champion COY? Evidence? Where is it said COY based on preseason writers and their expectations or a coach's poll? JS's team handled Utah. But, Utah was clearly the best team in the Pac12 the last ½ of the season. Seemingly improving each week. And, after also dealing with so much tragedy. OSU finished 2-3 after the Utah win. Losing to two non bowl teams... badly. Not consistent. Not improving week by week. And, after a 4-1 start prob did not meet "new" expectations to some degree. As expectations do tend to change as a season progresses. KW is a superior coach to JS at this juncture in their careers. KW has done it consistently for a long time. I love a ton about what JS has done here. But, he's in his infancy as a HC. KW is by far and away the COY. *Just FYI... unless mistakenly researched, the last Pac12 champ COY was 2015, Furd/Shaw shared with WSU/Leach. The next was 2012 Furd/Shaw. So 3 times (one was shared) in the last 10 seasons has COY coached the Pac12 champ. JS was on his way to winning the award until those road losses. Overall he did a nice job for sure, but to get COY after having the team unprepared against several inferior opponents would make the award itself look bad, IMO. I do have issues with Utah losing to BYU and SDSU (good teams but not better teams) and not beginning the season with Rising at QB is partly responsive. But losing to OSU was the poorest performance for Whittingham overall, and everybody else had much uglier losses. Even though I like Utah's team, especially on D, it was obviously a down year for the Pac12. Again. Utah peaked at the end, and beating the Pac12's "anointed" face of the conference twice pretty much assured the COY award. I wonder what the voting would have looked like if Utah loses Pac12 title game? Ucks certainly underachieved, but media would have hyped the great adjustment after getting swamped by Utes 2 weeks earlier. The Pac12 and award would have looked silly if it went MC's way. Although I'm not sure if votes were cast prior to title game or during the coaching move speculation?? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 8, 2021 9:53:12 GMT -8
JS was on his way to winning the award until those road losses. Overall he did a nice job for sure, but to get COY after having the team unprepared against several inferior opponents would make the award itself look bad, IMO. I do have issues with Utah losing to BYU and SDSU (good teams but not better teams) and not beginning the season with Rising at QB is partly responsive. But losing to OSU was the poorest performance for Whittingham overall, and everybody else had much uglier losses. Even though I like Utah's team, especially on D, it was obviously a down year for the Pac12. Again. Utah peaked at the end, and beating the Pac12's "anointed" face of the conference twice pretty much assured the COY award. I wonder what the voting would have looked like if Utah loses Pac12 title game? Ucks certainly underachieved, but media would have hyped the great adjustment after getting swamped by Utes 2 weeks earlier. The Pac12 and award would have looked silly if it went MC's way. Although I'm not sure if votes were cast prior to title game or during the coaching move speculation?? It would have looked silly to give COY to an 11-2 coach? I hope we can someday "underachieve" like that. They only underachieved to their delusional fans. Their QB was never going to lead that team to the playoff. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 8, 2021 9:55:36 GMT -8
really hate Coach of the year defaulting to the coach that wins the league. Whitt did a great job.. and to be fair, exceeded preseason expectations where USC, was pick to win the South by nearly everybody... But Utah was generally right there at #2 and most people, now rightfully, noted them as the team to really watch. But literally everybody picked OSU either dead last, or second to last. Utah was expected to be a 9+ win team that competed with USC for the South title. OSU was expected to try and be respectable on it's route to 6th in the North and 11th or 12th in the league. I guess it is hard to celebrate the coach that comes in 6th... particularly when he dropped two crucial road games they were favored in... but Smith's overall job this season was exceptional given where most people had us. I can't really argue that hard against Whitt, anybody that smacks around Oregon that badly, twice in one season is a friend of mine... but still, Utah and OSU are not at the same place in the big picture, program-wise, and I think Smith's results show a higher elevation of results relative to expectations. We were not predicted to finish 6th in the North to start the year. We were predicted to finish ahead of WSU. Depends on the outfit... I looked at a few prognostications, we alternated with WSU as to which one was going to be the worst. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 8, 2021 9:56:31 GMT -8
We were not predicted to finish 6th in the North to start the year. We were predicted to finish ahead of WSU. Depends on the outfit... I looked at a few prognostications, we alternated with WSU as to which one was going to be the worst. I was going by the PAC 12 poll. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 8, 2021 10:00:15 GMT -8
Even though I like Utah's team, especially on D, it was obviously a down year for the Pac12. Again. Utah peaked at the end, and beating the Pac12's "anointed" face of the conference twice pretty much assured the COY award. I wonder what the voting would have looked like if Utah loses Pac12 title game? Ucks certainly underachieved, but media would have hyped the great adjustment after getting swamped by Utes 2 weeks earlier. The Pac12 and award would have looked silly if it went MC's way. Although I'm not sure if votes were cast prior to title game or during the coaching move speculation?? It would have looked silly to give COY to an 11-2 coach? I hope we can someday "underachieve" like that. They only underachieved to their delusional fans. Their QB was never going to lead that team to the playoff. Actually, the loss to Furd effectively had national folks seeing them as under achievers. Getting thrashed, not just beat, by a 3 loss Utah team just was proof positive. |
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