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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 7, 2021 12:07:07 GMT -8
Really? Because I haven't seen Reichle play this year. I know people didn't always like his game, but he was a glue guy and he had some basketball IQ on the floor, something lacking this year. Oh come on, REICHLE was the key?!?! If anything he was a liability most of teh time last year. Watch that video again, I saw him ONCE in teh video and it was a bad dribble drive late in the shot clock, he somehow shovelled the ball to Ethan and Ethan bailed out teh possesion with a great, but high difficulty mid range shot. I get it, I understand Basketball is a game were flow, coordination, "glue guys", and repetition matters. Which is why teh constant lineup shuffle game Tinkle has played in all eight games so far this year is so frustrating to watch! How can the team find the glue guy when no one gets a chance to settle down and any missed shot means you might be looking over at teh scorers table for your replacement? The starters aren't immune. Tinkle yanks Lucas with a single bad shot, but thats what colume scorers do, that take a bunch of shots, many of them only so-so, but they get hot and make enough of them to make up for it. Sigh, even in 2016-17 we won 4 non conference games, smh.... Reichle was very much underappreciated. I'm glad that you can form a complete opinion off of one 7 minute video. Maybe we should hire you as an analyst for the team? Reichle and Ethan were the two communicators for the team on both the offensive and defensive ends. If you watch the team now, the communication is terrible and people are not in the right spots on both ends. I've been to every home game this year in person and the lack of communication shows. That being said, we are really in trouble now with Andela out, leaving only 2 big men (Calloo plays like his 6'4"). Silva being dinged up is going to leave Rand with a lot of minutes and he doesn't have the bulk to be playing effectively for 30+ minutes a game without getting into foul trouble.
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Post by obf on Dec 7, 2021 12:12:09 GMT -8
Oh come on, REICHLE was the key?!?! If anything he was a liability most of teh time last year. Watch that video again, I saw him ONCE in teh video and it was a bad dribble drive late in the shot clock, he somehow shovelled the ball to Ethan and Ethan bailed out teh possesion with a great, but high difficulty mid range shot. I get it, I understand Basketball is a game were flow, coordination, "glue guys", and repetition matters. Which is why teh constant lineup shuffle game Tinkle has played in all eight games so far this year is so frustrating to watch! How can the team find the glue guy when no one gets a chance to settle down and any missed shot means you might be looking over at teh scorers table for your replacement? The starters aren't immune. Tinkle yanks Lucas with a single bad shot, but thats what colume scorers do, that take a bunch of shots, many of them only so-so, but they get hot and make enough of them to make up for it. Sigh, even in 2016-17 we won 4 non conference games, smh.... Reichle was very much underappreciated. I'm glad that you can form a complete opinion off of one 7 minute video. Maybe we should hire you as an analyst for the team? Reichle and Ethan were the two communicators for the team on both the offensive and defensive ends. If you watch the team now, the communication is terrible and people are not in the right spots on both ends. I've been to every home game this year in person and the lack of communication shows. That being said, we are really in trouble now with Andela out, leaving only 2 big men (Calloo plays like his 6'4"). Silva being dinged up is going to leave Rand with a lot of minutes and he doesn't have the bulk to be playing effectively for 30+ minutes a game without getting into foul trouble. My point was not to denigrate Reichle. I appreciated what Zach brought to the court night in and night out. My point is that Tinkle's complete mismanagment of this team so far in 2021 is the reason we don't have glue guys like ZR stepping up and is why we are 1-7, look listless on both ends of the court and are having a terribly embarassing and spirit crushing follow up to our cinderella year last year. Granted not many folks outside of Corvallis and the rest of Oregon will notice much or be phased, but it sure is a kick in the pants to see this as the follow up / build off a great streak and good feelings from last year.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 7, 2021 13:35:22 GMT -8
WT seems to be the type of coach that just when you think he is in trouble, he will do just enough to buy himself some more time. He benefits from the fact that after 30 years of futility OSU has extremely low expectations for its basketball program.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 7, 2021 15:08:34 GMT -8
WT seems to be the type of coach that just when you think he is in trouble, he will do just enough to buy himself some more time. He benefits from the fact that after 30 years of futility OSU has extremely low expectations for its basketball program. WT is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. Some think that's good and the record and his coaching shouldn't be questioned. Sad.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Dec 7, 2021 15:09:57 GMT -8
Ethan was the type of player who would will us to a win when it looked like we could be in trouble.
That's what I saw in him, and it was definitely great.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 7, 2021 15:13:11 GMT -8
WT seems to be the type of coach that just when you think he is in trouble, he will do just enough to buy himself some more time. He benefits from the fact that after 30 years of futility OSU has extremely low expectations for its basketball program. WT is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. Some think that's good and the record and his coaching shouldn't be questioned. Sad. I don't think anyone said you can't question his coaching. But, no matter what you say, he's going to be around for at least 2 more years after this one. If you don't pace yourself, your head is going to explode.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 7, 2021 15:42:46 GMT -8
WT seems to be the type of coach that just when you think he is in trouble, he will do just enough to buy himself some more time. He benefits from the fact that after 30 years of futility OSU has extremely low expectations for its basketball program. WT is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. Some think that's good and the record and his coaching shouldn't be questioned. Sad. For some on this board there is always an excuse for WT's teams, recruiting, etc. Sadly the only positive most can say in his support revolves around the ineptitude of past coaches. Wow, setting a pretty high bar there! WT is simply a TERRIBLE recruiter. That's why there is no guy(s) ton step into leadership roles. Only two players that have been here 3 seasons that started as frosh. Neither is a respected leader nor has the on-the-court skills to provide that "go to" leader. The x's & o's of hoops just isn't rocket science. They're really isn't much new coaches can do. It's talent, teaching a system, getting players to buy in to your team concept, and some in-game adjustments. WT can't recruit talent. His teams have consistently been inconsistent especially on offense (I've never seem a team that goes thru 3,4,5,8 minute droughts). Players are not overly sound on fundamentals. And, other than an inbounds play executed well WT doesn't really excel at in-game adjustments. So, other than being better than a bunch of poor coaches, what he's a tad better than poor? But, far below "average"? I mean if somehow a miracle happened and he averaged 12-8 in Pac12 play, what? In 7 plus seasons he may have a chance to be .500 in conference play. Of course counting this season's outlook, more like 9 or 10 more. How great... 17, 18 seasons in OSU is a .500 Pac12 team! 👎
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Post by beaver94 on Dec 7, 2021 16:00:29 GMT -8
WT is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. Some think that's good and the record and his coaching shouldn't be questioned. Sad. (I've never seem a team that goes thru 3,4,5,8 minute droughts) You must not watch much basketball then.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 7, 2021 18:37:03 GMT -8
(I've never seem a team that goes thru 3,4,5,8 minute droughts) You must not watch much basketball then. Too busy watching rocket science?
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Dec 7, 2021 21:07:21 GMT -8
I have come to the conclusion that what we watched play out last year, as enjoyable as it was, was a blind squirrel finding the proverbial once-in-forty years nut. So not clear that the tradeoff is only 3 years of "bad" hoops in the current state. And the problem is not the talent level of the players - we showed we had the talent to beat Cade Cunningham's team, which would basically make us 1990's Ball State (though GP was the second pick in the NBA draft and Cade was the #1 pick), except we also beat Sister Jean's team and some other talented teams.... It is making the talent mesh, motivating the talent, understanding how to deploy the talent, making the talent understand how they are being deployed. Adjusting to the strengths of your team, and the weaknesses. And building a program, an atmosphere in which players are defining success the right way. Players being added to the program, not just that year's team. And the program has some inherent rolling momentum to it, and can be built upon. Not linearly, necessarily, but at least "up and to the right" for the most part. Soccer has it, Gymnastics has it, Baseball has it, WBB has it, football is getting it, so its not a foreign concept to us Beaver fans. In MBB, we don't even have an effective inbounds play, even when the other team gives us more than a couple shots at running one. That is all coaching. An earlier post pointed out that Tinkle has basically earned himself 2-3 seasons worth of mulligans. I think the poster is correct. I just fear we might be reminiscing about the Elite 8 run a decade (or two) from now if we are not careful. I have seen electric Gill, thankfully. I have even seen electric Gill ramps with students camped out for days before ticket distribution circa 1987. And now I have also seen the blind wanderings in the barren wastelands of basketball futility. We didn't arrive here thanks to Tinkle, and thanks (in part) to Tinkle, we caught glimpse of the oasis of winning basketball. Just don't know that we will *wander* back there any time soon. We might need to be more intentional about getting there. In the meanwhile, I remain spring loaded to tune in for our next run (the way we lose right now is too depressing to watch all the time) .......though I am almost positive that I can look beyond March of 2022 for tuning back in.
Go Beavers!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 7, 2021 23:05:21 GMT -8
WT is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. Some think that's good and the record and his coaching shouldn't be questioned. Sad. For some on this board there is always an excuse for WT's teams, recruiting, etc. Sadly the only positive most can say in his support revolves around the ineptitude of past coaches. Wow, setting a pretty high bar there! WT is simply a TERRIBLE recruiter. That's why there is no guy(s) ton step into leadership roles. Only two players that have been here 3 seasons that started as frosh. Neither is a respected leader nor has the on-the-court skills to provide that "go to" leader. The x's & o's of hoops just isn't rocket science. They're really isn't much new coaches can do. It's talent, teaching a system, getting players to buy in to your team concept, and some in-game adjustments. WT can't recruit talent. His teams have consistently been inconsistent especially on offense (I've never seem a team that goes thru 3,4,5,8 minute droughts). Players are not overly sound on fundamentals. And, other than an inbounds play executed well WT doesn't really excel at in-game adjustments. So, other than being better than a bunch of poor coaches, what he's a tad better than poor? But, far below "average"? I mean if somehow a miracle happened and he averaged 12-8 in Pac12 play, what? In 7 plus seasons he may have a chance to be .500 in conference play. Of course counting this season's outlook, more like 9 or 10 more. How great... 17, 18 seasons in OSU is a .500 Pac12 team! 👎 I am such a glutton for punishment, that I come back each basketball season to hear the broken tape deck play its only song year after year after year.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 8, 2021 7:29:27 GMT -8
I got a question for any and all of you. Some have said a coach needs 2,3,4 years left on his contract to be able to recruit. Tinkle I believe has this year and either 2 or 3 years more. So if he is kept through his contract and not extended isn't he a lame duck recruiting wise? At what point do you just pay him to leave?
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 8, 2021 8:39:44 GMT -8
I got a question for any and all of you. Some have said a coach needs 2,3,4 years left on his contract to be able to recruit. Tinkle I believe has this year and either 2 or 3 years more. So if he is kept through his contract and not extended isn't he a lame duck recruiting wise? At what point do you just pay him to leave? Return questions... How long has he been here? How has his recruiting fared? Not sure what remains on his contract, but let's say 3 years. So two years back he had 5 years left. Seems he has been pretty "lame"... with the bulk as transfers. I think two HS players?
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 8, 2021 8:56:35 GMT -8
I don't disagree with you about his recruiting or lack thereof. I really want to know when do you pull the plug? After last year some think or at least thought he was untouchable. Do you keep extending or look for the next coach?
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 8, 2021 9:17:54 GMT -8
I got a question for any and all of you. Some have said a coach needs 2,3,4 years left on his contract to be able to recruit. Tinkle I believe has this year and either 2 or 3 years more. So if he is kept through his contract and not extended isn't he a lame duck recruiting wise? At what point do you just pay him to leave? I think 2 years. Can’t really be recruiting for the next year when you’re not signed for it. And while 2 years may be less than ideal, with transfer rules being much more lax it isn’t like a kid is stuck at a school should the coach be fired. And you also have the transfer portal to find players if HS recruiting is negatively impacted in the short-term by a coach’s contract.
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