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Post by rgeorge on Dec 3, 2021 1:48:22 GMT -8
And yet, Tinkle had two NCAA appearances, one with an Elite 8 run. It would have been crazy after a quarter century of futility not to extend. It seems like he may be losing the team this year though. Very bad. Hmmmm... exactly why would it have been crazy again? WT was going to get hired away? Most experts stated that last season was an anomaly. It wasn't normal on any level. Glad OSU made the run, but it just hid the same issues that have always been there. WT can't recruit to the Pac12 level. Hell, I started early on to look at the transfers. All but one barely played or contributed. Other than the coaches sons how many players have been developed over 3-4 seasons? WT wasn't getting hired away. There was no need to extend. A nice set of bonuses were already part if his contract. By season's end WT may be 25+ games under .500 in Pac12 play. There was just zero reason to extend. None.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 3, 2021 1:49:27 GMT -8
Alatishe and Davis were 16 for 22 from rhe field. The rest were 10 for 38. That's bad. That's 26/60, a good % for this team! Lol
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 3, 2021 1:58:44 GMT -8
Some say an extension was required or recruiting would have suffered. It couldn't have been much worse, Lol... when has the recruiting been good other than sons of his and staff. Drew turned out great, but I've heard that he's glad he left. He learned more about post play, footwork, and using his body in 2 months of NBA pre camp workouts than in 3 years at OSU. WT doesn't even get above average JC transfers. Plus why do you need an extension when you only recruit/coach guys with 2 season left? if they hang for that long. Cal? Really? Can't wait for Zona to roll into Gill Sunday! 😖
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Post by finleybandbeav on Dec 3, 2021 5:06:50 GMT -8
What's up with Lucas? 24 minutes last night and almost no stats (except for the misses). Great, just great.
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 3, 2021 7:07:23 GMT -8
Well that was ugly. Really only need to look at two stats to understand what is wrong with this team. As has been pointed out, Beavers were out rebounded 42 to 24. Just as disconcerting is only 7 assists on 26 baskets. Beavs are being out hustled and out toughed, and aren’t playing like a team.
Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m overly surprised about the team. Well, that’s not entirely fair. I didn’t think they’d do much this year — though I was hopeful — but I didn’t think they would be this bad. Is there any returning player who is playing better than last year? Certainly don’t think there are any who are playing better this year than they were down the stretch last year. I think Alatishe has expanded his game, which is a good thing, but now he’s probably trying to do a bit much. But in his defense he has to with this team.
And that brings us to the newcomers. I looked back on my comments when these guys were signed, and the only one I was enthused about was Davis. And I’m still enthused by him. I like what he brings to the team. Of the others, it looked like Rand could play some D and rebound. He has managed to do that in some games, but primarily against the lesser teams on the schedule. Not sure if right now he is a Pac 12 talent. The others hadn’t shown much prior to being here to lead us to believe they’d move the needle much (oh, except that their long and athletic), and that is how it has played out. They’ve shown some brief flashes, but I can’t get to excited about any of them.
That brings us to WT. I’ve read a lot on here of late how WT’s teams get better as season goes on. I’m assuming this is largely based on last year’s run and to a lesser degree on the year before that and a first round tourney win. Last year’s team also won 4 of last 6 regular season games ( though they lost 3 in a row prior to that), but prior two years they had finished regular season 2-4. This year and last the Beavers have relied more on transfers than in years past, and their nonconference performance has been terrible. You can argue whether this dependence on transfers has been because WT hasn’t recruited well at high school level or that WT has just embraced the new transfer portal landscape. Whichever it is, he has proven unable to get the team to gel early in either season. Last year, the team finally came together, won the conf. tourney and when on a great run too. Could that happen again this year? Anything is possible. But if that doesn’t happen, when do you start worrying whether WT has the coaching chops to succeed in the transfer portal era. Is it really sustainable to have no shot at NCAAs other than winning conference tournament?
Overall, I’m not a Tinkle fan. That said, I think the team’s performance last year has earned him some leeway. And if this team wins conf tourney again to go dancing, well long live WT. But if not, WT needs to show he can recruit better — transfers or high schoolers — and make adjustments to get his teams playing better early. I’m all for having one’s team playing its best ball late, but the bar has to be higher early in the season than what we’ve seen last year and this year.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 3, 2021 7:59:43 GMT -8
Zero enthusiasm for the start of the Pac 12 season People have seen this team play. Enthusiasm is not warranted.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 3, 2021 8:26:12 GMT -8
Some have said let's see if WT can recruit. Are there 4* coaches sons out there he can grab? Obvious answer NO. Right now on the roster are the following high school recruits - Taylor a freshman scored one point last night, Johnson a sophomore didn't play, Hunt a junior didn't do much, Lucas a junior was on the floor but invisible. He is in his 8th year my god how many years does he need to show HE CAN'T RECRUIT.
His conference record is now 52-77. Recruiting and coaching suck. Wake up fans.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 3, 2021 10:04:58 GMT -8
Some say an extension was required or recruiting would have suffered. It couldn't have been much worse, Lol... when has the recruiting been good other than sons of his and staff. Drew turned out great, but I've heard that he's glad he left. He learned more about post play, footwork, and using his body in 2 months of NBA pre camp workouts than in 3 years at OSU. WT doesn't even get above average JC transfers. Plus why do you need an extension when you only recruit/coach guys with 2 season left? if they hang for that long. Cal? Really? Can't wait for Zona to roll into Gill Sunday! 😖 This season is looking like a first class cluster f. Saying that, no way is Davis an "average" JC transfer. And in a sense, Alatische is a JC (low-level Southland Conference team) transfer also. Zona wins by more than 30.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 3, 2021 12:30:10 GMT -8
Hard to figure what is going on, honestly. Alatishe has NBA aspirations, and having his team get dominated on the boards is not conducive to him getting there, regardless of his individual numbers.
Rand gets 21 mins and manages 3 rebounds - that's literally the biggest reason he's win the game. Silva has regressed back to a non-factor, after showing ability to be dominant last year. Lucas is going from a pre-season Pac-12 pre-season selection to not even being a starter. Williams was trending as a major factor at Minn last year is playing like he did early in the year for them, which was contributing little. Davis had a game that represents what I hoped he'd bring, but he's not doing it consistently enough to be named the starter by the start of the conference.
Outside of a few highlight games, literally everybody is playing well below what they are capable of. Incredibly frustrating to tune into; they could have scripted a better way to burn all the interest in the program that the Elite 8 provided.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 3, 2021 14:05:36 GMT -8
Hard to figure what is going on, honestly. Alatishe has NBA aspirations, and having his team get dominated on the boards is not conducive to him getting there, regardless of his individual numbers. Rand gets 21 mins and manages 3 rebounds - that's literally the biggest reason he's win the game. Silva has regressed back to a non-factor, after showing ability to be dominant last year. Lucas is going from a pre-season Pac-12 pre-season selection to not even being a starter. Williams was trending as a major factor at Minn last year is playing like he did early in the year for them, which was contributing little. Davis had a game that represents what I hoped he'd bring, but he's not doing it consistently enough to be named the starter by the start of the conference. Outside of a few highlight games, literally everybody is playing well below what they are capable of. Incredibly frustrating to tune into; they could have scripted a better way to burn all the interest in the program that the Elite 8 provided. I figured that they played so well with no fans last year, that they are trying to replicate it by playing so awful, that we have no fans show up. Brilliant plan.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 3, 2021 20:47:58 GMT -8
Hard to figure what is going on, honestly. Alatishe has NBA aspirations, and having his team get dominated on the boards is not conducive to him getting there, regardless of his individual numbers. Rand gets 21 mins and manages 3 rebounds - that's literally the biggest reason he's win the game. Silva has regressed back to a non-factor, after showing ability to be dominant last year. Lucas is going from a pre-season Pac-12 pre-season selection to not even being a starter. Williams was trending as a major factor at Minn last year is playing like he did early in the year for them, which was contributing little. Davis had a game that represents what I hoped he'd bring, but he's not doing it consistently enough to be named the starter by the start of the conference. Outside of a few highlight games, literally everybody is playing well below what they are capable of. Incredibly frustrating to tune into; they could have scripted a better way to burn all the interest in the program that the Elite 8 provided. Hunt, Lucas and Silva are all playing like hot garbage. They need to step up, or Tinkle needs to find a way to scheme for victory with them in diminished roles.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 4, 2021 0:47:24 GMT -8
Hard to figure what is going on, honestly. Alatishe has NBA aspirations, and having his team get dominated on the boards is not conducive to him getting there, regardless of his individual numbers. Rand gets 21 mins and manages 3 rebounds - that's literally the biggest reason he's win the game. Silva has regressed back to a non-factor, after showing ability to be dominant last year. Lucas is going from a pre-season Pac-12 pre-season selection to not even being a starter. Williams was trending as a major factor at Minn last year is playing like he did early in the year for them, which was contributing little. Davis had a game that represents what I hoped he'd bring, but he's not doing it consistently enough to be named the starter by the start of the conference. Outside of a few highlight games, literally everybody is playing well below what they are capable of. Incredibly frustrating to tune into; they could have scripted a better way to burn all the interest in the program that the Elite 8 provided. Hunt, Lucas and Silva are all playing like hot garbage. They need to step up, or Tinkle needs to find a way to scheme for victory with them in diminished roles. It seems fairly diminished already. Maybe that missed the message they had specific roles?? Questioning.... does anyone on that bench, in uniform or not, know/execute their role? Any role? If you've never experienced the "ASS" (Athletic Sham Syndrome) you're witnessing it now. An AAU or football squad looks impressive, almost intimidating getting off the bus (AAU typically it's in warmups). Then actual game action begins and they play like the smell of a silage pond on hot summer's day. Luckily even those teams play well every so often!
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