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Oct 18, 2021 11:21:00 GMT -8
Post by beaver1989 on Oct 18, 2021 11:21:00 GMT -8
I'm not sold on Tibesar either....but I think a bigger issue is the quality of DL's that we have on this team. Not sure any DC could make our defense great at this point. The best DC on the planet cannot wave a magic wand and overcome fundamental weaknesses like our DL. It just is what it is. This team cannot pressure with 4. that GREATLY limits what you can do against a spread passing team. I am not giving Tibs a pass, but I want to be fair and reasonable in assessment. our DL does not generate pressure. and when a team goes out and puts 5 in a pattern you have a hard time using a 5th or 6th guy to create pressure without huge risk. I was watching the WSU game last night, but I couldn't finish it because I fell a sleep, right before the fake punt stupidity. So far Tibs is rushing 3-5 guys every down. When he'd rush 3 he usually had the 4th guy fake rush, then spy either De Laura or the RB, depending on the formation.(empty backfield the spy stayed with the QB.) I want to know what changed when we had a 10-3 lead. I'll be watching the rest of the game tonight, to see if Tibs f%#*ed up or the players got fatigued, or a combination.
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 12:54:48 GMT -8
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 18, 2021 12:54:48 GMT -8
The best DC on the planet cannot wave a magic wand and overcome fundamental weaknesses like our DL. It just is what it is. This team cannot pressure with 4. that GREATLY limits what you can do against a spread passing team. I am not giving Tibs a pass, but I want to be fair and reasonable in assessment. our DL does not generate pressure. and when a team goes out and puts 5 in a pattern you have a hard time using a 5th or 6th guy to create pressure without huge risk. I was watching the WSU game last night, but I couldn't finish it because I fell a sleep, right before the fake punt stupidity. So far Tibs is rushing 3-5 guys every down. When he'd rush 3 he usually had the 4th guy fake rush, then spy either De Laura or the RB, depending on the formation.(empty backfield the spy stayed with the QB.) I want to know what changed when we had a 10-3 lead. I'll be watching the rest of the game tonight, to see if Tibs f%#*ed up or the players got fatigued, or a combination. great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to?
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 18, 2021 12:56:51 GMT -8
I was watching the WSU game last night, but I couldn't finish it because I fell a sleep, right before the fake punt stupidity. So far Tibs is rushing 3-5 guys every down. When he'd rush 3 he usually had the 4th guy fake rush, then spy either De Laura or the RB, depending on the formation.(empty backfield the spy stayed with the QB.) I want to know what changed when we had a 10-3 lead. I'll be watching the rest of the game tonight, to see if Tibs f%#*ed up or the players got fatigued, or a combination. great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to? They went with more 5 wide looks. We rushed less people, got no pressure and they tore us up. Also, Halfway is a city in Oregon. Changed their name to Half.com for a short while as a publicity stunt. The more you know....
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -8
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 18, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -8
great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to? They went with more 5 wide looks. We rushed less people, got no pressure and they tore us up. Also, Halfway is a city in Oregon. Changed their name to Half.com for a short while as a publicity stunt. The more you know.... Appreciate the take. What does that mean or not mean in relation how they’ll deal with Utah’s offense?
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 18, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -8
Stanford? Even if you don't think we win this week against Utah (I think we do), have you been watching Cal and Colorado? WSU won at Cal 21-6. Colorado, when not playing Arizona, is unable to score points (and for a half they couldn't even do that against Arizona).
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 13:06:46 GMT -8
Post by Judge Smails on Oct 18, 2021 13:06:46 GMT -8
They went with more 5 wide looks. We rushed less people, got no pressure and they tore us up. Also, Halfway is a city in Oregon. Changed their name to Half.com for a short while as a publicity stunt. The more you know.... Appreciate the take. What does that mean or not mean in relation how they’ll deal with Utah’s offense? We match up much better with Utah who runs a more traditional offense. However, my concern is that their QB play has looked much better the last couple of weeks. Rising is playing at a high level and if they have balance, they will be tough to stop.
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 13:56:59 GMT -8
Post by spudbeaver on Oct 18, 2021 13:56:59 GMT -8
I was watching the WSU game last night, but I couldn't finish it because I fell a sleep, right before the fake punt stupidity. So far Tibs is rushing 3-5 guys every down. When he'd rush 3 he usually had the 4th guy fake rush, then spy either De Laura or the RB, depending on the formation.(empty backfield the spy stayed with the QB.) I want to know what changed when we had a 10-3 lead. I'll be watching the rest of the game tonight, to see if Tibs f%#*ed up or the players got fatigued, or a combination. great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to? I think they ran a bunch of crossing patterns. We didn't jamb any receivers on the line that I saw. So they had a good head of steam by the time they hit the middle of the field, and while readers here will know that I love Avery Roberts, and he's awesome against the run and a great tackler, he's no match for a receiver whose qb can hit him in stride because there is no pressure on him. That's what I saw. Repeatedly.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 18, 2021 14:25:54 GMT -8
great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to? I think they ran a bunch of crossing patterns. We didn't jamb any receivers on the line that I saw. So they had a good head of steam by the time they hit the middle of the field, and while readers here will know that I love Avery Roberts, and he's awesome against the run and a great tackler, he's no match for a receiver whose qb can hit him in stride because there is no pressure on him. That's what I saw. Repeatedly. When Avery wasn't blitzing (ie most of the time), he was used as the spy as previously mentioned by another poster. We did a good job of keeping de Laura's running in check with that technique, but if Avery is the spy, it's not his job to cover receivers crossing over the middle. Playing press coverage against 5 wide is very difficult against all their crossing routes and pick plays. It is a recipe for giving up big plays. However, I wish we would've tried it just to mix up the looks, because playing 10 yards off of the receivers sure wasn't working either.
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 16:05:31 GMT -8
Post by orangeattack on Oct 18, 2021 16:05:31 GMT -8
great question. What did WSU change at halftime that Tibesar failed to adapt to? They went with more 5 wide looks. We rushed less people, got no pressure and they tore us up. Also, Halfway is a city in Oregon. Changed their name to Half.com for a short while as a publicity stunt. The more you know.... my college roommate (and still a good friend of mine) is from Halfway, Oregon. 8 man football!
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 18, 2021 16:41:58 GMT -8
If we went 4-2 in the 2nd half of the season, it would be a very successful season overall. 4-2 was considered wildly optimistic to start the season, given the expectations of UW and USC. Turns out Purdue is better than either of them, and WSU's subsequent win over Stanford, and being able to put up more points on Stanford's D than even OSU's says they're trending well. You could say that the problem on the back-half is that there's no Idaho or Hawaii on the schedule. But Hawaii's overall ranking by CBS has them above Cal and just below Colorado. Stanford's ranked right there with USC, and we seem to play up vs. Stanford historically. Utah has been historically tough for us, and so has playing at autzen, but there's a reason the Utah game is a 3 pt spread, and uo is trending towards having a handful of losses by the time we see them, that ship is not stable. The games I really don't like are Utah and ASU, but those are both games that could end up in downpours. I expect us to get 3 more wins, and be right there for 4, and that's what a non-OSU PTSD sufferer would expect as well. How is that not something to get excited about?? Ref: www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/cbs-sports-ranking/
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 18, 2021 16:49:11 GMT -8
They went with more 5 wide looks. We rushed less people, got no pressure and they tore us up. Also, Halfway is a city in Oregon. Changed their name to Half.com for a short while as a publicity stunt. The more you know.... my college roommate (and still a good friend of mine) is from Halfway, Oregon. 8 man football! Did he live in a house?
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 16:55:02 GMT -8
Post by vhalum92 on Oct 18, 2021 16:55:02 GMT -8
I think we need perspective... we are better on D. I'm not saying we should settle for where we are at but we are better.
I think we do best stopping a tradition run set or power run more so than speedy shifty guys in space. Our pass D is better, we still struggle to cover the elite receivers and the teams that spread us out.
All that other stuff we don't get to change... let it go. If Coach Smith is the right coach for the job he will adjust the coaching staff as he sees fit.
Bringing on Coach Blue was genius. That guy can coach!
I think we are on a roller coaster ride as no one I know had us at 4-1 heading to Pullman. At halfway, I'm thrilled to be 4-2 and slightly disappointed that we are not 5-1...
I thought ASU was going to be the next toughest game on the schedule but Utah showed up last week. I believe this is a team and coaching staff good enough to go to a bowl game. I think 7 wins is realistic. We just need to keep getting better every week, that is what the good teams do.
Go BEAVS!
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -8
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Oct 18, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -8
my college roommate (and still a good friend of mine) is from Halfway, Oregon. 8 man football! Did he live in a house? Actually Halfway is pretty neat little town. Beautiful setting at the base of the Wallowa Mountains.....having grown up in eastern Oregon....you get to see some amazing country as opposed to the monotonous flat ground of the Willamette valley....but that’s just my take.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 18, 2021 17:08:21 GMT -8
my college roommate (and still a good friend of mine) is from Halfway, Oregon. 8 man football! Did he live in a house? Halfway house... I really liked that.
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Halfway
Oct 18, 2021 17:18:55 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 18, 2021 17:18:55 GMT -8
Halfway house... I really liked that. at least someone “got it”
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