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Post by osubeaver2018 on Oct 16, 2021 11:18:58 GMT -8
I think being picked 4th in Pac 12 is reasonable. Team had a great run in post season that was very enjoyable to watch. But they’ve got question marks going into this season. Have to fill the void left by losing your best player in Ethan. And that goes beyond just stats. I found Ethan’s play frustrating at times, but for the most part he was the go to guy and leader. Whose going to take over those roles as well as fill others is up in the air. The second question for me is can Tinkle get the same kind of buy-in and performance this year as we saw in the post season? For that to happen likely goes beyond Tinkle and requires the leaders from last year to keep that culture intact this year and get that buy-in from the new players. I’ll be honest, I’m not sure who those leaders are and if they’re still on the team. I can guess who they might be, but don’t really know the inner workings of the team well enough to know for sure. With this many new comers, an underlying culture needs to be there and has to be more than just the voice of Tinkle and other coaches. I feel like we saw Jarod show a lot of leadership qualities throughout the season last year. Ethan was the quieter, lead by example guy, while also being the steady hand to go to late in games when we needed to close a team out. Jarod was a little more fiery and would get on guys a little more than Ethan would, but never in a negative way. I'm excited to see if that continues because he seems like the personality that we were missing during the so-called "father/sons" era. My main concern is finding that steady hand in crunch time in our backcourt, which we really are probably going to need from one of the newcomers Malone-Key or Davis. Gianni could be that guy if he can continue to slow the game down for himself (which to his credit he did towards the end of the season which contributed to our success in a big way).
I think the beginning of the season we may see a little bit of growing pains given the amount of new guys we have and the loss of E, however I think by mid to late season we'll see a team that looks a lot like the team at the end of last year. Color me excited to watch these guys throughout this year.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 16, 2021 13:59:22 GMT -8
35-0
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Post by irimi on Oct 16, 2021 15:35:25 GMT -8
My expectations: 1 Get and maintain team chemistry 2 Play exciting basketball at both ends of the court 3 Beat the *ucks each and every time we play them 4 Make getting tickets in Gill something hard to do 5 Make the dance with a seed <= 9 6 Make a run 7. Stay healthy
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 16, 2021 15:39:46 GMT -8
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Post by jdogge on Oct 16, 2021 17:30:46 GMT -8
On your point of total games played, my topic was centered on key players missing games, or being less than full strength on their return. OSU seemed to handle protocols much better than some teams and it helped. I'll only add a completely subjective component that I myself experienced. I see WT as a far better coach than when Tres was playing. I don't think his x's and o's are necessarily better. But, I do think there is a "freedom", less tense approach. There are subtleties in dealing with your own son that effect how other players see a coach and perform. I just see players accepting coaching and it actually showing up in their play. Could be the newer crop of players? But, I think it's a combo of both. My personal take that no one cares about: Big G was also team cancer and finally graduated in 2019. The 2020 and 2021 teams have been all the better for it. Big G was always too talented not to play and too big of a whiner/complainer/bellyacher/selfish prima donna/backstabber to actually play. Big G?
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 16, 2021 19:15:23 GMT -8
My personal take that no one cares about: Big G was also team cancer and finally graduated in 2019. The 2020 and 2021 teams have been all the better for it. Big G was always too talented not to play and too big of a whiner/complainer/bellyacher/selfish prima donna/backstabber to actually play. Big G? GLIGORIJE RAKOCEVIC Commonly referred to as Big G by Coach Tinkle.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 16, 2021 20:14:30 GMT -8
GLIGORIJE RAKOCEVIC Commonly referred to as Big G by Coach Tinkle. I think he was just surprised at Big G being noted as being a team cancer, I was. I heard a lot of names the past 4 yeats or so, don't recall his name coming up.
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Post by OSUprof on Jan 20, 2022 23:00:51 GMT -8
This thread deserves a mid-season bump.
Now at 3-14 with little chance of hitting pre-season predictions.
What's next?
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 20, 2022 23:49:43 GMT -8
This thread deserves a mid-season bump.
Now at 3-14 with little chance of hitting pre-season predictions.
What's next?
I'll stick by my original post in this thread. Especially the rudderless ship! I'm kinda waiting for the new crop of excuses to begin. No key season ending injury. It's season 8, and plenty of time to build a recruiting base, get/ develop "your" guys/style. No leftovers issues from former coach. New extension, so no problem with stability. Speaking of stability, same two lead assistants for 8 years. So, are we left with some variation(s) of: - "Who else could OSU get that's better?" - the extremely low bar rationale, "... compared to the last ___ years/ coaches..."
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Post by beaversproud on Jan 21, 2022 7:37:05 GMT -8
Get it over with fast
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 21, 2022 7:57:02 GMT -8
This thread deserves a mid-season bump.
Now at 3-14 with little chance of hitting pre-season predictions.
What's next?
I'll stick by my original post in this thread. Especially the rudderless ship! I'm kinda waiting for the new crop of excuses to begin. No key season ending injury. It's season 8, and plenty of time to build a recruiting base, get/ develop "your" guys/style. No leftovers issues from former coach. New extension, so no problem with stability. Speaking of stability, same two lead assistants for 8 years. So, are we left with some variation(s) of: - "Who else could OSU get that's better?" - the extremely low bar rationale, "... compared to the last ___ years/ coaches..." Andela out is not helping, but they maybe win 2 more games with him. Not have Chol is also not helping. WT brought in too many wings (that are not that talented) and not enough bigs. The wings he brought in would barely see the floor with other Pac 12 teams. He needs to potentially shake up the staff and up the recruiting or next year could be his last.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 21, 2022 9:33:01 GMT -8
One thing I find discouraging about this team and much of WT’s tenure is I really don’t see team identity. Early in his time with the Beavers, I felt scrappy D was what WT’s teams were all about. I don’t see that now. It seems the identity of his teams has been “coach’s sons.” Now I’m not one of those that don’t count Tres, Stevie and Ethan as recruiting successes. Yes, they are sons of staff, but they wouldn’t have been at OSU if not for the staff. My issue with WT is that he had 3 talented players who seemingly should be relatively easy to keep invested in team, and no real identity was forged while they were here.
I didn’t have great expectations for this team. As great as it was, last year’s run always seemed like catching lightning in a bottle rather than a turning point for the program. I just never felt there was a strong culture established and this team had the players to carry on a culture. And I think that lack of culture and vision shows up in the recruiting. I really don’t know what WT’s pitch is to recruits beyond come play in the Pac 12 and Corvallis is a nice town. And it showed in the transfers he brought in after an E8 run. Davis was actually on board prior to run (maybe not signed, but committed). Taylor was a very nice get. And Rand, though raw, has talent. There was very little to indicate that Akanno, Williams or Malone-Key would bring much to the table — and they haven’t. I didn’t think it was possible but in Akanno WT found a less deserving Pac 12 starter than Reichle. I think M-K is the best of them (a serviceable bench player), and I’d guess fans expected the least out of him at the start of the season.
So my expectations for the rest of the year? Maybe a couple of wins, likely multiple games where they hang tough for awhile but then fall by the wayside like they have all year, and a couple of games where they get blown out. For next year? Not even sure whose eligibility will be up. I’m sure they’ll have some transfers out (I know there are some I’d like to see leave). The two recruits look like they could be pretty good additions if they indeed sign. And I hope sincerely hope they can hang on to Davis and Taylor, and they can be a big part of establishing an identity and culture going forward. And as someone mentioned, new blood at the assistant level would likely help since WT isn’t going anywhere. A young up and coming recruiter along with an assistant who is known for player development and/or defense could help salvage things.
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Post by irimi on Jan 21, 2022 10:00:51 GMT -8
What a total disappointment this season has been!
Last year, the team put together a nice run and looked scrappy and competitive. Tinkle's successful teams have had a sort of scrappy attitude about them, it seems. Instead, a methodical, precise approach would be more indicative of strong coaching. Scrappy shows me that the players have fight, not that the coaches have harnessed that ability and formed it into a unit.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 21, 2022 15:23:39 GMT -8
This thread deserves a mid-season bump.
Now at 3-14 with little chance of hitting pre-season predictions.
What's next?
I'll stick by my original post in this thread. Especially the rudderless ship! I'm kinda waiting for the new crop of excuses to begin. No key season ending injury. It's season 8, and plenty of time to build a recruiting base, get/ develop "your" guys/style. No leftovers issues from former coach. New extension, so no problem with stability. Speaking of stability, same two lead assistants for 8 years. So, are we left with some variation(s) of: - "Who else could OSU get that's better?" - the extremely low bar rationale, "... compared to the last ___ years/ coaches..." Do you really trust Barnesy to get a better coach than Tinkle after failing miserably at Pittsburgh? If your answer is yes, what color rubber would you like in your room? Also, even if Barnesy did not have his track record at hiring basketball coaches, who could Barnesy afford to hire that's better? I think the real reason that Oregon State is having such a tough go is the team is being buffeted by your negative waves: Fact: Oregon State had an Elite Eight basketball team before baseba11/scubasteve rose from the dead to unleash his unholy vengeance upon the Tinkle Family.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 21, 2022 16:09:03 GMT -8
Unlike last year tinkle never guaranteed this years team wouldn't end up in last place.
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