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Post by rgeorge on Oct 15, 2021 20:04:27 GMT -8
On paper and in watching Utah is the best team OSU will have faced this season. Not the most talented, but the team that has plenty and a staff that might get the most out of what they have. Unless they get beat up physically and have key injuries vs ASU, OSU will have to play the best they have all season. Certainly several levels better than any previous home game this season. It's a huge game to set up the remainder of the season. I don't think OSU "has" to win it, but the offense and certainly the defense need to compete at a high high level on a more consistent basis. If so the roadies at Cal and Boulder should be confidence building Ws. As those two are must wins finishing with Furd, ASU, @ucks. Hopefully JS's public confidence in Tibs is rewarded. Barring a host of injuries, I agree that Utah is the best team that OSU has faced all year. How aren't they the most talented, though, is my question? Can you please elucidate? Whether it's a must-win is kind of based upon what you believe Oregon State's ceiling is in 2021. To me, all of the rest of the games look winnable with the right game-plan and execution. I agree with everything else. To date... SC is far more "talented" than Utah. Just shows what a train wreck they've been with coaching since Pete. Still garner tons of talent, two and three deep in some positions. Every game we've played was winnable. Doesn't mean anything and why the games are actually played. Biggest liabilities: -Tibs and his defensive schemes -QB play... that entire position group is shaky at best. OSU doesn't have any veteran presence. We have a room of relative newbies. That leads me to... I have zero idea where the Gebbia "love" (in terms he's the real deal when healthy) comes from? The guy has played 8 games at OSU, 5 starts. He's tossed 5 TDs, 4 INTs, and 146 yds/game. So, OSU's ceiling (I guess they could win all 6) isn't as important as what they show on the 23rd. My take, it doesn't matter your preseason thinking, OSU is 4-2 and if this team isn't at least 6-6 it's a failure and a huge step backward. Cal and Colorado are the two weakest links left and OSU has to show some consistent improvements to not disappoint (at least me) the rest of the season. No more excusing 4th down decisions, a sieve of a defense, and accepting 5-7 as improvement when you start 4-1. My take...
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 16, 2021 8:08:33 GMT -8
Barring a host of injuries, I agree that Utah is the best team that OSU has faced all year. How aren't they the most talented, though, is my question? Can you please elucidate? Whether it's a must-win is kind of based upon what you believe Oregon State's ceiling is in 2021. To me, all of the rest of the games look winnable with the right game-plan and execution. I agree with everything else. To date... SC is far more "talented" than Utah. Just shows what a train wreck they've been with coaching since Pete. Still garner tons of talent, two and three deep in some positions. Every game we've played was winnable. Doesn't mean anything and why the games are actually played. Biggest liabilities: -Tibs and his defensive schemes -QB play... that entire position group is shaky at best. OSU doesn't have any veteran presence. We have a room of relative newbies. That leads me to... I have zero idea where the Gebbia "love" (in terms he's the real deal when healthy) comes from? The guy has played 8 games at OSU, 5 starts. He's tossed 5 TDs, 4 INTs, and 146 yds/game. So, OSU's ceiling (I guess they could win all 6) isn't as important as what they show on the 23rd. My take, it doesn't matter your preseason thinking, OSU is 4-2 and if this team isn't at least 6-6 it's a failure and a huge step backward. Cal and Colorado are the two weakest links left and OSU has to show some consistent improvements to not disappoint (at least me) the rest of the season. No more excusing 4th down decisions, a sieve of a defense, and accepting 5-7 as improvement when you start 4-1. My take... Great take. Tibesar has to be held to ultimate account for the defensive failings. In the spirit of Jaco’s book “Extreme Ownership”. I would be curious to know what measurable improvements JS has set with Tibesar that he needs to show in the next game. Is it demonstrating visible in-game and halftime adjustments to what the opposing offense is doing? That was an epic fail against WS. So would expect a plan to adapt to the different sets Wittingham will use that is known on hours of game tape. Is it setting an expectation that the opposing offense will be held to under 100 yds rushing? 250 yds passing? <350 yds total? JS has to put these kinds of benchmarks on Tibesar or we are going to continue to see the same garbage performance at times in games to come.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 16, 2021 20:44:20 GMT -8
Post above was getting lengthy so...
My take has never centered on statistics. They are highly misleading and actually invalid in many ways. Year to year comparisons are looking at completely "different" teams. Players not only leaving, injured, but gaining experience and developing. Plus opponents change as well. But, that's a long winding road to discuss.
If I'm JS I'm evaluating Tibs on the success of his processes to install "his" system. It's not losing (the outcome). His system is flawed because he can't teach and adapt to his talent level. He not only can't adjust his system on the fly, it's very basic on the whole.
He's responsible for not only the execution on the field, but the players understanding their assignments and alignments. And, in doing so putting players in the best positions to succeed. That doesn't happen enough. Improved? Somewhat.
In watching college football OSU's defense under Tibs has varied little. It has little movement, stunts, and stunt variation. And in many situations the schemes just plain doesn't make sense. Zero creativity.
It's subjective in many ways, but JS is more football savvy than this board. He knows. Conversations have happened. He's schemed vs defenses for years. I'm guessing he'd love to scheme vs this defense. He already knows OSU has better talent than what these schemes show.
The remainder of the season will be interesting. The bye week is the time to make big time adjustments and improvements.
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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 16, 2021 21:18:30 GMT -8
Utah came out to play in the second half and Arizona state didn't. 28-0. Beavs have their work cut out.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 17, 2021 10:48:08 GMT -8
OSU 27 Utah 24
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 17, 2021 10:52:11 GMT -8
BTW I laughed at the notion of College Game Day coming to Corvallis. Probably still a long shot, but it is the Pac 12 N leader vs. the Pac 12 S leader. And there's not much out there to choose from.
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Post by babeav on Oct 17, 2021 12:59:08 GMT -8
Well that issue has been settled…..Game Day to Westwood for UCLA/dux
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 17, 2021 17:49:35 GMT -8
Hope you're correct. However, both sides of that score would take a major improvement on each unit. Didn't score that vs inferior WSU D on a beautiful day. Didn't hold a lesser/unbalanced offense to that point total. Utah seems to have found its footing after early season wobbles. It'll take a big turnaround by Tibs' unit to have any chance cuz I'm not sure an unbalanced OSU offense can score 27?? Just hoping for some consistency, creativity on D leading to a one score game. With terrible weather, and giving Tibs/staff the benefit of the doubt I'll take a 20-17 W with Hayes hitting another late game winner.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 20, 2021 11:43:30 GMT -8
Let's get more fans in Reser! East side is selling well...looks like lot's of decent seats still on the west side... They keep selling sec 16 for inflated prices. Make it $25-30 a ticket and sell that section out. Be one of the last to sit in that section (and quite honestly no one has really sat up there since 2016).
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Post by sparty on Oct 20, 2021 11:53:38 GMT -8
Gonna be cold, wet and windy.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 20, 2021 11:55:17 GMT -8
Let's get more fans in Reser! East side is selling well...looks like lot's of decent seats still on the west side... They keep selling sec 16 for inflated prices. Make it $25-30 a ticket and sell that section out. Be one of the last to sit in that section (and quite honestly no one has really sat up there since 2016). And... for gawd's sake check the weather... some $ for a seat is better than nothing. If 9500 students show up again there might be 27k in actual attendance Saturday. It's suppose to be a steady downpour. To fans like our group, who cares. But to many there has to be a huge $ incentive to come out for a game in the elements for a program that has not yet proven itself. AD's office is continually slow on the uptake... in many areas!
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Post by beavaristotle on Oct 20, 2021 12:14:19 GMT -8
$90 to sit in section 111. That is too much to attract new fans. Barnes has tried everything except lowering ticket prices. What would be wrong with taking the mostly empty sections at the south end of the stadium and deeply discount ($15) or 2 for 1 them. You have to get people into the building to make future season ticket holders.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 20, 2021 13:06:40 GMT -8
$90 to sit in section 111. That is too much to attract new fans. Barnes has tried everything except lowering ticket prices. What would be wrong with taking the mostly empty sections at the south end of the stadium and deeply discount ($15) or 2 for 1 them. You have to get people into the building to make future season ticket holders. There are probably some concerns about discounts upsetting those who've paid a premium already. They're probably just gritting their teeth waiting for the season to get over and the new stadium build to get going. Next year with reduced seating it will not look so empty.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 20, 2021 13:19:03 GMT -8
The weather I saw predicts light rain and showers from 11 a.m. through about 3 p.m., but then just cloudy after that, with less than a 20% chance of rain through midnight. So we might be OK.
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Post by Beavcat on Oct 20, 2021 13:30:24 GMT -8
$90 to sit in section 111. That is too much to attract new fans. Barnes has tried everything except lowering ticket prices. What would be wrong with taking the mostly empty sections at the south end of the stadium and deeply discount ($15) or 2 for 1 them. You have to get people into the building to make future season ticket holders. A couple weeks back they were offering 50% off for the Utah game in certain sections; we picked up a couple in the corner for $36 each including fees. There must have been some speculation going on because when I checked Stubhub earlier today there were a whole bunch in our section for around $30. The WSU loss and weather likely drove the price down.
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