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Post by beaverinohio on Aug 16, 2021 15:31:28 GMT -8
Have heard this team has added some nice talent and the pick up games have shown this. Expecting this year for osu to go as far as the team chemistry let's them...talent isn't a problem one through 14. Defense and rebounding oriented unit...that travels well. I like the way roster is shaping up, but not sure I’d go as far as saying talent won’t be a problem 1 through 14. I don’t think this team will out-talent many teams and can see them having trouble offensively. Still like you say, if this team can make D and rebounding a priority, they’ll at worse make for a fun team for which to cheer.
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Post by babeav on Aug 16, 2021 19:49:21 GMT -8
I got it…..traveling and 3 sec in the key…..almost never called, the Euro step is a joke.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Aug 16, 2021 20:20:10 GMT -8
Have heard this team has added some nice talent and the pick up games have shown this. Expecting this year for osu to go as far as the team chemistry let's them...talent isn't a problem one through 14. Defense and rebounding oriented unit...that travels well. I like the way roster is shaping up, but not sure I’d go as far as saying talent won’t be a problem 1 through 14. I don’t think this team will out-talent many teams and can see them having trouble offensively. Still like you say, if this team can make D and rebounding a priority, they’ll at worse make for a fun team for which to cheer. I am also a little worried about where we're going to find consistent offense this year. Silva really started to be a more consistent low-post player on the offensive end down the stretch last year, and we know Jarod can hit shots from anywhere, but where else does it come from on a nightly basis? Hopefully we get to see more of the Calloo we saw at the end of the year and Warith has developed a mid-range game, both those would help tremendously. Then it comes down to if the new additions and/or Hunt/Andela/Johnson can make up for what we lose in E's ability to find offense out of nothing. From what I hear, Davis and Malone-Key could potentially be those guys.
We sure won't be sneaking up on teams this year like we did last year. I think we should all expect to make a good run at an at-large berth this year, but don't be surprised if there are some offensive shortcomings at times, especially early in the year and with what should be on paper a tougher conference than last year.
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 17, 2021 9:42:34 GMT -8
I like the way roster is shaping up, but not sure I’d go as far as saying talent won’t be a problem 1 through 14. I don’t think this team will out-talent many teams and can see them having trouble offensively. Still like you say, if this team can make D and rebounding a priority, they’ll at worse make for a fun team for which to cheer. I am also a little worried about where we're going to find consistent offense this year. Silva really started to be a more consistent low-post player on the offensive end down the stretch last year, and we know Jarod can hit shots from anywhere, but where else does it come from on a nightly basis? Hopefully we get to see more of the Calloo we saw at the end of the year and Warith has developed a mid-range game, both those would help tremendously. Then it comes down to if the new additions and/or Hunt/Andela/Johnson can make up for what we lose in E's ability to find offense out of nothing. From what I hear, Davis and Malone-Key could potentially be those guys.
We sure won't be sneaking up on teams this year like we did last year. I think we should all expect to make a good run at an at-large berth this year, but don't be surprised if there are some offensive shortcomings at times, especially early in the year and with what should be on paper a tougher conference than last year.
I think the newcomers will give us plenty of firepower in addition to the returnees(Lucas,Alitishe,Calloo,Silva(down 20 pounds),etc. Davis,Malone-Key,Rand,etc are long athletic kids who will help on defense and are better shooter than their % indicates. My point is defense,rebounding and taking care of the ball is something you can consistently do night in night out. When your shots aren't falling,doing the other parts will keep you in a game...winning ugly if you will. Losing Ethan will certainly hurt...I'm hoping playing better defense and the addition of the portal kids can make up for his scoring loss.
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 17, 2021 9:58:10 GMT -8
We were 94th nationally on scoring defense, so if we can jump that significantly like it appears we could, we won't need to be that proficient on offense. Ethan and Zack were defensive liabilities at times, so we needed them to do more on the offensive end to compensate. Ethan also wasn't particularly efficient on offense - he had the lowest 3pt shooting percentage on the team of players that shot them much. However, his ability to get fouled late in the shot clock, and then make FTs will be sorely missed - he bailed us out of a lot of bad possessions. That said, I got frustrated with him stoping the offensive flow that I thought led to the poor offensive possession in the first place, but that may have been by design. We saw it repeatedly in the tournament where he'd get in foul trouble, and it was like 'uh-oh', and the we'd see other players just step up and make shots.
Regardless, we do have guys that will take the shot late in the clock; we'll be able to feed Alatishe to just rise over people, and Lucas can shoot from wild angles off the dribble; whether they can do so efficiently remains to be seen for the coming season. But we do have offensive-minded guys even in the returners, they just aren't as adept at getting off shots 1:1 like Ethan. Quite honestly though, I'm hoping that translates to more ball movement and players hunting shots off screens (and entertaining offensive style).
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 18, 2021 12:13:50 GMT -8
We were 94th nationally on scoring defense, so if we can jump that significantly like it appears we could, we won't need to be that proficient on offense. Ethan and Zack were defensive liabilities at times, so we needed them to do more on the offensive end to compensate. Ethan also wasn't particularly efficient on offense - he had the lowest 3pt shooting percentage on the team of players that shot them much. However, his ability to get fouled late in the shot clock, and then make FTs will be sorely missed - he bailed us out of a lot of bad possessions. That said, I got frustrated with him stoping the offensive flow that I thought led to the poor offensive possession in the first place, but that may have been by design. We saw it repeatedly in the tournament where he'd get in foul trouble, and it was like 'uh-oh', and the we'd see other players just step up and make shots. Regardless, we do have guys that will take the shot late in the clock; we'll be able to feed Alatishe to just rise over people, and Lucas can shoot from wild angles off the dribble; whether they can do so efficiently remains to be seen for the coming season. But we do have offensive-minded guys even in the returners, they just aren't as adept at getting off shots 1:1 like Ethan. Quite honestly though, I'm hoping that translates to more ball movement and players hunting shots off screens (and entertaining offensive style). 98th nationally in scoring defense. But sixth in the Pac-12. Adjusted for schedule, Oregon State was 60th in defense. Zach Reichle was a defensive liability at times. In fact, he may have taken a step back this last year. But Jarod Lucas continued to be more of a consistent defensive liability. Lucas, though, was the number one offensive threat to make up for his lack of defense. But who was a better defensive guard than Ethan Thompson last year?
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 18, 2021 17:01:13 GMT -8
But who was a better defensive guard than Ethan Thompson last year? Probably nobody that played a lot of minutes. Maybe Silver, but he didn't play enough to really know. I though Ethan was a good defender against certain types of guards (i.e. bigger), but was susceptible to getting crossed up by quicker guards like we saw from Houston. My point is that we might have 3 guards coming in that could be better defenders than ET, and if so, it could make a big difference. That said, we were really good last year at 3pt FG defense, so we could easily do worse there.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Aug 18, 2021 19:10:32 GMT -8
But who was a better defensive guard than Ethan Thompson last year? Probably nobody that played a lot of minutes. Maybe Silver, but he didn't play enough to really know. I though Ethan was a good defender against certain types of guards (i.e. bigger), but was susceptible to getting crossed up by quicker guards like we saw from Houston. My point is that we might have 3 guards coming in that could be better defenders than ET, and if so, it could make a big difference. That said, we were really good last year at 3pt FG defense, so we could easily do worse there. Ethan was a fantastic defender against Payton Pritchard. His length was the perfect neutralizer to Pritchard and because PP was all that quick, there was never much worry about being able to stay in front of him. Without E's defense on him our CW record is probably significantly worse the three years they played against each other.
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Post by collegiate on Aug 20, 2021 17:26:51 GMT -8
After years of being out-manned athletically, last year saw a dramatic change that made the wonderful post-season run possible. This new group seems to translate to, at least, maintaining that athleticism. But the key Tinkle quote from Eggers’ piece: “ The big thing will be getting them to jell.”
It’s a tall order. But the coaches were successful last year in keeping some guys engaged despite not getting the playing time they would want. And those guys contributed to that run. I look forward to the athleticism and the jelling. It should be fun to watch!
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 20, 2021 17:50:58 GMT -8
Probably nobody that played a lot of minutes. Maybe Silver, but he didn't play enough to really know. I though Ethan was a good defender against certain types of guards (i.e. bigger), but was susceptible to getting crossed up by quicker guards like we saw from Houston. My point is that we might have 3 guards coming in that could be better defenders than ET, and if so, it could make a big difference. That said, we were really good last year at 3pt FG defense, so we could easily do worse there. His length was the perfect neutralizer to Pritchard and because PP was all that quick… What?
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Post by beaverstever on Aug 20, 2021 19:06:49 GMT -8
Anybody know if Davis is here? Was supposed to arrive by the 20th
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Aug 21, 2021 11:31:31 GMT -8
His length was the perfect neutralizer to Pritchard and because PP was all that quick… What? Whoops, wasn't.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 22, 2021 13:16:43 GMT -8
Now that is clarified I’ll take issue with it. PP was quick and it is probably one of his biggest assets. You’re not an AA, PG of the Year, 1st round pick at 6’ 1” without being exceptionally quick.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Aug 22, 2021 14:43:11 GMT -8
Now that is clarified I’ll take issue with it. PP was quick and it is probably one of his biggest assets. You’re not an AA, PG of the Year, 1st round pick at 6’ 1” without being exceptionally quick. I would argue his shooting, basketball IQ, passing, and his intangibles were better assets of his honestly. Which is where I think Ethan was the best 1 on 1 defender for him specifically because of his length and ability to take some of those away. Not to say PP was a slouch re: his speed/quickness, but it was by no means outstanding compared to many other guards we went up against. Gianni Hunt is a very quick and speedy guard with similar size to PP, but there were plenty of other things that PP does much better than GH.
From his draft profile as well: "Foot speed limits his defensive ability at the next level to some degree … His speed, athleticism, and physical profile (6’2, 195 pounds) could make for a difficult transition to the next level … Could struggle against speedy point guards".
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 22, 2021 15:30:57 GMT -8
Now that is clarified I’ll take issue with it. PP was quick and it is probably one of his biggest assets. You’re not an AA, PG of the Year, 1st round pick at 6’ 1” without being exceptionally quick. I would argue his shooting, basketball IQ, passing, and his intangibles were better assets of his honestly. Which is where I think Ethan was the best 1 on 1 defender for him specifically because of his length and ability to take some of those away. Not to say PP was a slouch re: his speed/quickness, but it was by no means outstanding compared to many other guards we went up against. Gianni Hunt is a very quick and speedy guard with similar size to PP, but there were plenty of other things that PP does much better than GH.
From his draft profile as well: "Foot speed limits his defensive ability at the next level to some degree … His speed, athleticism, and physical profile (6’2, 195 pounds) could make for a difficult transition to the next level … Could struggle against speedy point guards".
Great points but in gets into the speed v quickness debate. In my mind they are two different things. I'd say whomever wrote that draft profile doesn't really know what they're talking about.
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