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Post by chinmusic on Jul 24, 2021 18:08:09 GMT -8
Competition is several years away but the deal is sealed - The Southeastern Conference will line up with two 8-team divisions, 8 in the west and 8 in the east. WEST DIVISION Alabama Texas A&M LSU Texas Auburn Mississippi Arkansas Mississippi State
EAST DIVISION Georgia Florida Tennessee Kentucky Oklahoma South Carolina Missouri Vanderbilt
What impact will the SEC expansion have on NCAA Baseball? Regional and Super Regional dominance? Additional TV and Media exposure and a larger NIL opportunity for the athlete? Influence on the NCAA and the colege game? A football driven move to Independence by splitting away from the NCAA? As always, it's all driven by revenue - how far will the addition of Texas and Oklahoma move the needle?
The BIG-12 has now lost Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC, the ACC lost South Carolina to the SEC.
In three years, the BIG-12 will look like this: Oklahoma State Baylor West Virginia Texas Tech Kansas State TCU Iowa State * Kansas
* Kansas is seriously considering joiningthe B1G. Kansas football won't improve the Big-10 but Kansas basketball certainly would.
A directional shift for college athletics, in many areas, buckle up.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 24, 2021 18:20:45 GMT -8
There is no way the Big 12 doesn't add somebody. Houston and BYU would be the best candidates.
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Post by chinmusic on Jul 24, 2021 19:31:35 GMT -8
Agreed, it would be nearly impossible to survive with a seven team conference. The question is who might be interested in joining the Big-12? I'm not sure BYU would be a candidate but a team or two from CUSA might be. Bob Bowlsby is the commissioner of the Big-12 and he's a smooth operator. Had a sterling reputation as Stanford's AD prior to taking the B-12 commissioner's post. He won't be idle.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 24, 2021 19:43:48 GMT -8
Agreed, it would be nearly impossible to survive with a seven team conference. The question is who might be interested in joining the Big-12? I'm not sure BYU would be a candidate but a team or two from CUSA might be. Bob Bowlsby is the commissioner of the Big-12 and he's a smooth operator. Had a sterling reputation as Stanford's AD prior to taking the B-12 commissioner's post. He won't be idle. I would look more to the AAC then CUSA. I would think Houston, SMU , Cincinnati and possibly Memphis would be their targets.
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Post by chinmusic on Jul 25, 2021 9:22:44 GMT -8
It's possible we may see a Big-12 that we barely recognize. Today there are reports of Oklahoma State's interest in the Big-10 and ditto Iowa State and Kansas. With that many schools looking to bail out, we might see a Big-12 that is almost foreign to us or a Big-12 merger with another conference.
You wonder if the PAC-12 is interested in expanding to 14 teams? It appears the conditions are right for talking. The Big-10 looks like the big winner in all of this but there is some strong speculation that Michigan and Ohio State also have interest in the SEC. Super Conference? or the beginning of the of the end of NCAA governance of college football?
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Post by ag87 on Jul 25, 2021 9:41:16 GMT -8
In three years, the BIG-12 will look like this: Oklahoma State Baylor West Virginia Texas Tech Kansas State TCU Iowa State * Kansas * Kansas is seriously considering joiningthe B1G. Kansas football won't improve the Big-10 but Kansas basketball certainly would. A directional shift for college athletics, in many areas, buckle up. What I know about college athletics money is mostly nothing. But I believe the driving factor is television audience. And of that television audience, I'm guessing 75% of it is based on football. So the state of Kansas has 2.9M people in the new census. I think Kansas's 3rd school, Wichita State, has more following than University of Portland and Portland State combined. For comparison, Oregon has 4.2M, Colorado 5.8M, Arizona 7.3M, and Washington 7.6M. Anyway, I think there is no way Big10 takes Kansas. And the Pac12 should not consider it either. On the subject, Oklahoma has a population of 4.0M. I think the SEC is only taking the Sooners because that is the price to get UT. And if the Pac12 needs to move, I think the obvious two to get would be Colorado State to lock up the Denver market and UNLV - Nevada population 3.1M. Saying all that, I think super conferences don't make sense for any sport except for maybe football.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 25, 2021 11:13:59 GMT -8
Kansas and Oklahoma are not growing. There is no real TV market there. I want the Pac-12 to stay pat and strengthen what we have instead of adding two Buffalo Commons schools.
Denver is a pro town. What college TV market there is, the Pac-12 already owns. CU is the state's most popular school, by a wide margin over CSU. No one in Vegas cares about college athletics either, except to bet on them. UNLV can't draw flies and replacing San Diego State with Washington State as an opponent won't make a whit of difference.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 25, 2021 14:08:43 GMT -8
First, I suspect the Pac12's best move is to stay at 12. And I obviously agree with your thought on Kansas and Oklahoma. My thoughts on Denver - I worked as an engineer and over my life have spent maybe 20 nights in Denver. Because there are more engineers from CSU than Boulder, maybe my feelings are biased. But it seems like the guys I worked with care more about ColState than Colorado and have equal feelings for the Rockies/Broncoes/Nuggets/Avalanche. I'm more familiar with Vegas. People care a fair amount UNLV basketball and not so much about UNLV football. But when I wear a UNLV cap it always gets a response from Uber drivers, the folks in the sports book etc. Now with the Raiders, it will not help. I just looked up living alumni - Colorado State 232K, Colorado 300K and UNLV 127K (OSU 205K). I think the biggest gain from adding CSU is that it makes Colorado reuniting with Nebraska in the Big12 less likely - and the Pac12 losing the Denver market.
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Post by ricke71 on Jul 25, 2021 15:27:11 GMT -8
First, I suspect the Pac12's best move is to stay at 12. And I obviously agree with your thought on Kansas and Oklahoma. My thoughts on Denver - I worked as an engineer and over my life have spent maybe 20 nights in Denver. Because there are more engineers from CSU than Boulder, maybe my feelings are biased. But it seems like the guys I worked with care more about ColState than Colorado and have equal feelings for the Rockies/Broncoes/Nuggets/Avalanche. I'm more familiar with Vegas. People care a fair amount UNLV basketball and not so much about UNLV football. But when I wear a UNLV cap it always gets a response from Uber drivers, the folks in the sports book etc. Now with the Raiders, it will not help. I just looked up living alumni - Colorado State 232K, Colorado 300K and UNLV 127K (OSU 205K). I think the biggest gain from adding CSU is that it makes Colorado reuniting with Nebraska in the Big12 less likely - and the Pac12 losing the Denver market. "Pac12's best move is to stay at 12" I'm sure there are some smart people on this board who can explain to me why the PAC-12, is the PAC-11 when it comes to Baseball. From what I can see on the interwebs, there are at least FIVE college baseball teams in Colorado. What gives with Boulder?
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Post by jdogge on Jul 25, 2021 16:01:33 GMT -8
In three years, the BIG-12 will look like this: Oklahoma State Baylor West Virginia Texas Tech Kansas State TCU Iowa State * Kansas * Kansas is seriously considering joiningthe B1G. Kansas football won't improve the Big-10 but Kansas basketball certainly would. A directional shift for college athletics, in many areas, buckle up. What I know about college athletics money is mostly nothing. But I believe the driving factor is television audience. And of that television audience, I'm guessing 75% of it is based on football. So the state of Kansas has 2.9M people in the new census. I think Kansas's 3rd school, Wichita State, has more following than University of Portland and Portland State combined. For comparison, Oregon has 4.2M, Colorado 5.8M, Arizona 7.3M, and Washington 7.6M. Anyway, I think there is no way Big10 takes Kansas. And the Pac12 should not consider it either. On the subject, Oklahoma has a population of 4.0M. I think the SEC is only taking the Sooners because that is the price to get UT. And if the Pac12 needs to move, I think the obvious two to get would be Colorado State to lock up the Denver market and UNLV - Nevada population 3.1M. Saying all that, I think super conferences don't make sense for any sport except for maybe football. CSU and UNLV do not have the research focus that the Pac 12 would accept. If the Pac 12 were to accept research lightweights they would be Portland State, Boise State, San Jose State, or Fresno State. I think San Diego, SDSU, New Mexico and Nevada Reno are more likely targets. Then again UC Davis has the uppity research focus the Pac 12 Presidents like.
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Post by avidbeaver on Jul 25, 2021 16:16:38 GMT -8
What I know about college athletics money is mostly nothing. But I believe the driving factor is television audience. And of that television audience, I'm guessing 75% of it is based on football. So the state of Kansas has 2.9M people in the new census. I think Kansas's 3rd school, Wichita State, has more following than University of Portland and Portland State combined. For comparison, Oregon has 4.2M, Colorado 5.8M, Arizona 7.3M, and Washington 7.6M. Anyway, I think there is no way Big10 takes Kansas. And the Pac12 should not consider it either. On the subject, Oklahoma has a population of 4.0M. I think the SEC is only taking the Sooners because that is the price to get UT. And if the Pac12 needs to move, I think the obvious two to get would be Colorado State to lock up the Denver market and UNLV - Nevada population 3.1M. Saying all that, I think super conferences don't make sense for any sport except for maybe football. CSU and UNLV do not have the research focus that the Pac 12 would accept. If the Pac 12 were to accept research lightweights they would be Portland State, Boise State, San Jose State, or Fresno State. I think San Diego, SDSU, New Mexico and Nevada Reno are more likely targets. Then again UC Davis has the uppity research focus the Pac 12 Presidents like. Pretty much makes the options limited with the research focus. If the Pac-12 wants to expand it might have to look beyond that but from past information it doesn't look like that would be the case.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 25, 2021 22:06:36 GMT -8
What I know about college athletics money is mostly nothing. But I believe the driving factor is television audience. And of that television audience, I'm guessing 75% of it is based on football. So the state of Kansas has 2.9M people in the new census. I think Kansas's 3rd school, Wichita State, has more following than University of Portland and Portland State combined. For comparison, Oregon has 4.2M, Colorado 5.8M, Arizona 7.3M, and Washington 7.6M. Anyway, I think there is no way Big10 takes Kansas. And the Pac12 should not consider it either. On the subject, Oklahoma has a population of 4.0M. I think the SEC is only taking the Sooners because that is the price to get UT. And if the Pac12 needs to move, I think the obvious two to get would be Colorado State to lock up the Denver market and UNLV - Nevada population 3.1M. Saying all that, I think super conferences don't make sense for any sport except for maybe football. CSU and UNLV do not have the research focus that the Pac 12 would accept. If the Pac 12 were to accept research lightweights they would be Portland State, Boise State, San Jose State, or Fresno State. I think San Diego, SDSU, New Mexico and Nevada Reno are more likely targets. Then again UC Davis has the uppity research focus the Pac 12 Presidents like. UCSD? Maybe. San Diego is a Catholic school, which the Pac-12 has always shot down. UC Davis could potentially be a great add, if they had a football team. On no planet are schools like Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State comparable to Colorado State. Colorado State is a much better university than any school on your list save New Mexico. Houston is also a better school than Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State. I hear Houston pop up every now and again. The big fish left in Colorado, though, is Air Force, although that is not a true research university. Historically, though, the California schools and Washington have shown a great affinity and respect for the service academies.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 26, 2021 5:44:25 GMT -8
CSU and UNLV do not have the research focus that the Pac 12 would accept. If the Pac 12 were to accept research lightweights they would be Portland State, Boise State, San Jose State, or Fresno State. I think San Diego, SDSU, New Mexico and Nevada Reno are more likely targets. Then again UC Davis has the uppity research focus the Pac 12 Presidents like. UCSD? Maybe. San Diego is a Catholic school, which the Pac-12 has always shot down. UC Davis could potentially be a great add, if they had a football team. On no planet are schools like Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State comparable to Colorado State. Colorado State is a much better university than any school on your list save New Mexico. Houston is also a better school than Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State. I hear Houston pop up every now and again. The big fish left in Colorado, though, is Air Force, although that is not a true research university. Historically, though, the California schools and Washington have shown a great affinity and respect for the service academies. UC Davis has an FCS football team led by none other than Dan Hawkins.
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Post by charlie1934 on Jul 26, 2021 7:42:41 GMT -8
I know UC Davis (I was on the faculty there for 31 years). There is no way that UC Davis is going to join the Pac-12 and pay $1-8 M to a football coach, without which they would never be competitive.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 26, 2021 8:43:23 GMT -8
CSU and UNLV do not have the research focus that the Pac 12 would accept. If the Pac 12 were to accept research lightweights they would be Portland State, Boise State, San Jose State, or Fresno State. I think San Diego, SDSU, New Mexico and Nevada Reno are more likely targets. Then again UC Davis has the uppity research focus the Pac 12 Presidents like. UCSD? Maybe. San Diego is a Catholic school, which the Pac-12 has always shot down. UC Davis could potentially be a great add, if they had a football team. On no planet are schools like Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State comparable to Colorado State. Colorado State is a much better university than any school on your list save New Mexico. Houston is also a better school than Nevada Reno, San Diego and San Diego State. I hear Houston pop up every now and again. The big fish left in Colorado, though, is Air Force, although that is not a true research university. Historically, though, the California schools and Washington have shown a great affinity and respect for the service academies. Wow. A thought or two and possibilty that I did not think of before.
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