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Post by rmancarl on Jul 7, 2021 13:55:05 GMT -8
The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons. I appreciate what you are saying, but Stanford has only won the Pac-12 regular season title once in the last 7 years. With the level of the Pac-12 being what it is right now, I'm not ready to concede the title to Stanford. They are loaded next season, but they are going to have to play up to their potential, or they will get beat. The Beavs have now won recruiting battles with Stanford with Talia, Timea, and Greta in the last two recruiting cycles. Actually, that's pretty amazing however you want to look at it. There aren't many who will turn down a shot at a Stanford degree.
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Post by sparty on Jul 7, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -8
So what defensive strategy does OSU plan to use against such player? Since the rules of recruiting are changing maybe we can start using budget money to lure the next onesku into our school. All a big joke. Rich will get richer where will we end up? In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion. And NIL is going to put all of this where?
Why did Rogers choose Oregon over Arizona? I am already hearing NIL in recruiting talk all over the country now if you did deep enough and follow recruits closely. Even parents of recruits are getting in on it. "What will you do if my kid goes there? " Can't hide from it folks or wish it away but some schools have a head start.
From a article:
A factor in Rogers' decision was the opportunity for student-athletes to profit off of their name, image and likeness.
"Now that we're getting paid for our name, image and likeness, I feel like Oregon is the place to be," Rogers said.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 7, 2021 19:14:35 GMT -8
This is very true sparty. At the same time these players will need to recognize that a team can only have so many stars. If a team like Oregon lands a number of 5* players like they did last year, some of them will win the playing time, and some of them will lose, just as things currently are. Those that lose will still need to escape if they want playing time, and the chance to make money somewhere else. This should certainly boost recruiting for high profile schools, but may also benefit other schools as players recognize that they can be the star, and the person who makes the money at another school.
I do see this as another step towards ruining college sports, but I would love to be wrong and I hope I am wrong. I'm a much bigger fan of college sports over pro sports.
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Post by beaveragain on Jul 7, 2021 19:27:07 GMT -8
In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion. And NIL is going to put all of this where?
Why did Rogers choose Oregon over Arizona? I am already hearing NIL in recruiting talk all over the country now if you did deep enough and follow recruits closely. Even parents of recruits are getting in on it. "What will you do if my kid goes there? " Can't hide from it folks or wish it away but some schools have a head start.
From a article:
A factor in Rogers' decision was the opportunity for student-athletes to profit off of their name, image and likeness.
"Now that we're getting paid for our name, image and likeness, I feel like Oregon is the place to be," Rogers said.
My wildly uninformed thought is that Rogers will find this was not good logic. Being in the right place is good. Being either a back up to Paopao or a 5'7" SG is not so good. You need fame/glory to make the bucks in this new world of NIL. Me thinks someone poured garbage into her ears. But who knows in this new land of NIL?
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 7, 2021 19:58:57 GMT -8
Some bozo in Florida is going to pay every single University of Miami football player, including the 4th string right offensive tackle, $500 per month starting now. So players with a mindset like Rogers perhaps has will no doubt be proven right that Oregon is a good place to be. Then, a lot of very talented players, like perhaps Rogers, could wind up sitting on the bench for 4 years when they could be starting somewhere else - don't want to transfer to Somewhere Else U, though, cause the money isn't as good there.
The big worry would be a T Boone Pickens or Uncle Phil offering, say, the top 3 High School recruits each year $10,000 a month to come to Oklahoma State or Oregon. Most of those types would probably tend to throw the big bucks after football or men's basketball, but all it would take is one rich guy who loves women's college basketball to ruin our sport.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 7, 2021 20:37:11 GMT -8
Some bozo in Florida is going to pay every single University of Miami football player, including the 4th string right offensive tackle, $500 per month starting now. So players with a mindset like Rogers perhaps has will no doubt be proven right that Oregon is a good place to be. Then, a lot of very talented players, like perhaps Rogers, could wind up sitting on the bench for 4 years when they could be starting somewhere else - don't want to transfer to Somewhere Else U, though, cause the money isn't as good there. The big worry would be a T Boone Pickens or Uncle Phil offering, say, the top 3 High School recruits each year $10,000 a month to come to Oklahoma State or Oregon. Most of those types would probably tend to throw the big bucks after football or men's basketball, but all it would take is one rich guy who loves women's college basketball to ruin our sport. I'm one guy who loves women's college basketball!! Oops, missed one word.
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Post by newduke2 on Jul 8, 2021 3:59:14 GMT -8
The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons. The UCLA/USC games weren't a lack of quickness, it was a lack of preparation for the press. They practiced for the press and won the rematch. If it was all about the quickness they would have lost the rematch also. And yes, next year the Beav's will have the highest ranked players ever playing for them, baring injuries etc. Stanford grabs the highest ranked players who can get into Stanford, Oregon grabs the highest ranked players who will come to Duckland, Rueck recruits a team that he thinks will be able to play together. I think Ruecks method makes the most sense. [Sorry for the confusion beaveragain, I meant to flag (quote) only lotrader, not you. My comments are directed toward him.] I reallly like that Oregon State has a potential great class of new players coming in 2022-23. Notice I said "potential", as they are still verbal commits only. The early signing period for them that does not start until November 10 can't get here fast enough. If Gardner and Beers are as good as adverised by their ESPN #4 and #11 rankings, gotta hope some unforseen effect of NIL doesn't show its ugly face before then. As for an outstanding player or players "committed and coming to Corvallis" in 2023-24, who would that be? What am I missing? Inquring minds want to know.
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Post by lotrader on Jul 8, 2021 5:08:04 GMT -8
newduke2, my bad, I thought Lily Hansford was a 2023-24 commit. Lily is a 2022-23 commit.
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Post by sparty on Jul 8, 2021 5:23:30 GMT -8
Some bozo in Florida is going to pay every single University of Miami football player, including the 4th string right offensive tackle, $500 per month starting now. So players with a mindset like Rogers perhaps has will no doubt be proven right that Oregon is a good place to be. Then, a lot of very talented players, like perhaps Rogers, could wind up sitting on the bench for 4 years when they could be starting somewhere else - don't want to transfer to Somewhere Else U, though, cause the money isn't as good there. The big worry would be a T Boone Pickens or Uncle Phil offering, say, the top 3 High School recruits each year $10,000 a month to come to Oklahoma State or Oregon. Most of those types would probably tend to throw the big bucks after football or men's basketball, but all it would take is one rich guy who loves women's college basketball to ruin our sport. This is what I am getting at. Why not have a cap per team? Do you think all of this is going to go over well with the student eating boxed macaroni and cheese and working a job going to school and driving an old beater honda while the athletes have all the perks? Laugh and shrug but how many Mercedes will eventually be parked near practice fields across the US?
One guy offers $500 per month and the next a $1000 and then $10,000. Don't think that Uncle Phil with his recent 500 million donation on the academics side wont get in on the fun (sarc)?
I think he already is ....
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Post by newduke2 on Jul 8, 2021 5:48:55 GMT -8
newduke2 , my bad, I thought Lily Hansford was a 2023-24 commit. Lily is a 2022-23 commit. No problem. I make mistakes all the time and one turned out to be a doozie! Even though Lily Hansford and Adlee Blacklock are not ranked or not ranked as highly as Gardner and Beers, I certainly don't want them to have a change of heart prior to November 10 either. IMO, it will take a few seasons before we can get a real sense of what effect NIL is having on women's basketball in general. I hope it has as little influence as possible in terms of recruiting.
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Post by shelby on Jul 8, 2021 6:51:13 GMT -8
You will see every conceivable form of abuse from Companies, Individuals, Athletes, Coaches and Fans. I cannot fathom the way this is being rolled out...it is 'anything goes' , and that means - we are just seeing the top of a very slippery and sloppy slope for NCAA sports . The NCAA was, and is, a complete joke - now they are not even attempting to proactively organize a reasonably responsible set of guidelines to bring some semblance of order to this CF ! Would not trust them to do anything constructive anyway ... but who would expect that ! I hate this NLI decision and everything it will do to Universities and amateur sports !
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Post by markwbeaver on Jul 8, 2021 8:31:54 GMT -8
I fear Shelby is right about this. I do not see how any school will ever again get in trouble for "improper benefits." Any amount of money can be packaged in some way to appear to be some form of payment for NIL. Why wouldn't Ohio State spend a couple of million (or more) on who they deem to be the best high school player in the country--or if not Ohio State, perhaps a school a lot closer to Corvallis.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 8, 2021 8:59:20 GMT -8
You will see every conceivable form of abuse from Companies, Individuals, Athletes, Coaches and Fans. I cannot fathom the way this is being rolled out...it is 'anything goes' , and that means - we are just seeing the top of a very slippery and sloppy slope for NCAA sports . The NCAA was, and is, a complete joke - now they are not even attempting to proactively organize a reasonably responsible set of guidelines to bring some semblance of order to this CF ! What?Would not trust them to do anything constructive anyway ... but who would expect that ! I hate this NLI NIL decision and everything it will do to Universities and amateur sports ! You are absolutely right about abuse, the NCAA, etc. College sports will never look the same. However, "amateurism" and the way college sports are conducted in this country is inherently flawed. We live in a capitalistic society and keeping anyone from profiting off their name, image, and/or likeness is another kind of abuse. Look at all the money/profits that huge corporations (media, NCAA, apparel, equipment) make off football and basketball. For example, why shouldn't have James Rodgers (OSU football player who was a huge college star, but never made it in the pros) been able to make some $ from all the blood, sweat, and tears he shed for your entertainment?
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Post by escott58 on Jul 8, 2021 9:12:44 GMT -8
There's an old adage: The ones with the money make the rules.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 8, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -8
Some bozo in Florida is going to pay every single University of Miami football player, including the 4th string right offensive tackle, $500 per month starting now. So players with a mindset like Rogers perhaps has will no doubt be proven right that Oregon is a good place to be. Then, a lot of very talented players, like perhaps Rogers, could wind up sitting on the bench for 4 years when they could be starting somewhere else - don't want to transfer to Somewhere Else U, though, cause the money isn't as good there. The big worry would be a T Boone Pickens or Uncle Phil offering, say, the top 3 High School recruits each year $10,000 a month to come to Oklahoma State or Oregon. Most of those types would probably tend to throw the big bucks after football or men's basketball, but all it would take is one rich guy who loves women's college basketball to ruin our sport. T Boone Pickens is dead, so I don't think he'll be offering anything at this time.
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