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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 4, 2021 16:03:08 GMT -8
My goodness, you've got to be a special kind of stupid to overlook the Pac 12 at this point in time.
So...will this finally be the year the SEC isn't totally overrated in the preseason predictions?
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 5, 2021 9:48:39 GMT -8
Sparty wrote: "How many expect Adia to finish her coaching carreer at UA? I bet not one of you would think that is going to be a possibility. I sure don't." Not sure what point you're trying to make. Barnes is 44 - so she has at least another 15, maybe 20 years of coaching if she stays in the profession. Arizona is her first head coaching job - so if she doesn't take another job she will have spent her entire coaching career at one school - a historical rarity. What she has done at U of A is impressive by anyone's standards. Took a basement team and in 4 or 5 years played in the National Championship game - and damn near won it. She's galvanized the Tucson fan base big time. This season they will significantly exceed OSU's average game attendance.... At any rate, Barnes has created one more team in the Pac that's gonna be harder than hell to beat, and she has made OSU's job of staying near the top of the Pac that much harder. I don't think anyone claims she is a great Xs & Os coach - but whatever she's doing, she's doing a lot of it right. GO BEAVS!! Some don't like what Close is doing at UCLA, but their team is in the running every year, and it doesn't look like that is going to change. Stanford is showing no signs of letting up. Oregon keeps bringing in the players. Arizona has arrived. For the Beavs to compete with those four, and remain a top 5 team in the Pac-12, the staff has to continue to recruit at a high level. I'll be the first to admit that this does worry me a bit. At the same time, you have to love recent recruiting efforts by the Beavs. Although injuries have prevented us from seeing the full potential, the 2019 recruiting class of Taylor, Kennedy, and Jelena continues to look promising. The 2020 class is a bust for future purposes, but 2021 is a great class and 2022 is about as good as you can expect. The Beavs have a new recruiting coordinator now, but the 2023 class will be very important to keep the Oregon State program on track. July is a big month in recruiting circles as AAU tournament abounds.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 5, 2021 10:15:37 GMT -8
The covid thing made our 2019 class our 2020 class, so we're in very good shape going forward. 2023 recruits will see a team with Taylor, Kennedy, and Jelena as seniors, Greta, Talia, and AJ as juniors, and Raegan, Timea, Adlee, and Lily as sophomores. Loads of talent to join up with. What's not to like?
Worry is nothing but negative goal setting; you should never do it about anything - especially our 2023 recruiting. Our 2021 class was ranked # 11 or 12 before AJ flipped, and 2022 is ranked #2. Has to look very attractive to the 2023 ladies.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 5, 2021 17:36:18 GMT -8
Actually, in eligibility terms, Jelena has just as much eligibility remaining as the 2021 class. I doubt we see her around in 2024/2025, but it is possible. Of course, with the current transfer rules, you have to expect it's likely some of the other names you mentioned won't be around for their full eligibility either, while some other transfers will arrive on campus.
As for worry, luckily I have no part in OSU women's basketball recruiting, so I have no part in goal setting.
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Post by sparty on Jul 5, 2021 19:00:04 GMT -8
More Pac-12 recruiting news. There are now only two Pac-12 finalists for the highly coveted five-star point guard Chance Gray of Hamilton (Ohio).
The seventh overall player in the 2022 class, per ESPN and the second-best point guard, Gray is the total package as a lead guard, capable of scoring, directing traffic and locking down opposing guards.
Gray, who took an official visit to Eugene in June, announced on Monday evening that she her two finalist were UCLA and Oregon. Gray also made visits to Arizona and Ohio State before trimming her list.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 5, 2021 20:02:43 GMT -8
Considering UCLA already has a commitment from Londynn Jones, who is also a PG, and ranked #9 in the 2022 class, Chance's better move may be Oregon, who has a great commit from a wing, but no PG yet. One thing about these talented teams (and I include the Beavs) you wonder how Chance will like playing behind PaoPao for 2-3 years, or does she expect to knock PaoPao out of a job? Of course, she hasn't yet chosen Oregon or UCLA, but if it's the ducks, I'll ask one more time, why would Scheer stick around?
Charisma Osborne will be a senior when/if Chance were to arrive, so perhaps battling Londynn Jones for the PG guard spot, or playing off guard is the best choice. Charisma could move to the WNBA by then, or she could stick around for an extra year (the covid rule).
As I've said, the Pac-12 top schools show no sign of weakening.
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Post by grad1973 on Jul 7, 2021 7:07:40 GMT -8
So what defensive strategy does OSU plan to use against such player? Since the rules of recruiting are changing maybe we can start using budget money to lure the next onesku into our school. All a big joke. Rich will get richer where will we end up?
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Post by newduke2 on Jul 7, 2021 9:55:54 GMT -8
More Pac-12 recruiting news. There are now only two Pac-12 finalists for the highly coveted five-star point guard Chance Gray of Hamilton (Ohio).
The seventh overall player in the 2022 class, per ESPN and the second-best point guard, Gray is the total package as a lead guard, capable of scoring, directing traffic and locking down opposing guards.
Gray, who took an official visit to Eugene in June, announced on Monday evening that she her two finalist were UCLA and Oregon. Gray also made visits to Arizona and Ohio State before trimming her list. So, Chance Gray says Oregon or UCLA are the best fits for her. However, doesn't Oregon already have 2 pgs with Paopao and Endyia Rogers and both these gals technically have 3 years of elibility left with 20-21 not counting? Seems to me Gray could end up still playing 3rd string pg at Oregon in 22-23 and possibly 23-24? Why would the #2 pg recruit in the Nation for 2022 think coming off the bench for her first 2 years is a "best" fit?
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Post by newduke2 on Jul 7, 2021 10:19:25 GMT -8
So what defensive strategy does OSU plan to use against such player? Since the rules of recruiting are changing maybe we can start using budget money to lure the next onesku into our school. All a big joke. Rich will get richer where will we end up? In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by lotrader on Jul 7, 2021 10:30:52 GMT -8
So what defensive strategy does OSU plan to use against such player? Since the rules of recruiting are changing maybe we can start using budget money to lure the next onesku into our school. All a big joke. Rich will get richer where will we end up? In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion. The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons.
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Post by beaveragain on Jul 7, 2021 11:54:15 GMT -8
In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion. The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons. The UCLA/USC games weren't a lack of quickness, it was a lack of preparation for the press. They practiced for the press and won the rematch. If it was all about the quickness they would have lost the rematch also. And yes, next year the Beav's will have the highest ranked players ever playing for them, baring injuries etc. Stanford grabs the highest ranked players who can get into Stanford, Oregon grabs the highest ranked players who will come to Duckland, Rueck recruits a team that he thinks will be able to play together. I think Ruecks method makes the most sense.
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Post by rmancarl on Jul 7, 2021 12:32:14 GMT -8
In response to your last question, Stanford and Oregon will probably be the 2 most talent rich schools for awhile now looking forward. OSU will have its hands full just trying to keep up with Arizona and UCLA. So, I could see OSU remaining anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the Pac-12, assuming UW and/or ASU don't catch fire. OSU will have to continue recruiting some (2 or more) top 25 players each year just to tread water. Just my humble opinion. The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons. I appreciate what you are saying, but Stanford has only one the Pac-12 regular season title once in the last 7 years. With the level of the Pac-12 being what it is right now, I'm not ready to concede the title to Stanford. They are loaded next season, but they are going to have to play up to their potential, or they will get beat. The Beavs have now won recruiting battles with Stanford with Talia, Timea, and Greta in the last two recruiting cycles. Actually, that's pretty amazing however you want to look at it. There aren't many who will turn down a shot at a Stanford degree.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jul 7, 2021 12:36:54 GMT -8
More Pac-12 recruiting news. There are now only two Pac-12 finalists for the highly coveted five-star point guard Chance Gray of Hamilton (Ohio).
The seventh overall player in the 2022 class, per ESPN and the second-best point guard, Gray is the total package as a lead guard, capable of scoring, directing traffic and locking down opposing guards.
Gray, who took an official visit to Eugene in June, announced on Monday evening that she her two finalist were UCLA and Oregon. Gray also made visits to Arizona and Ohio State before trimming her list. So, Chance Gray says Oregon or UCLA are the best fits for her. However, doesn't Oregon already have 2 pgs with Paopao and Endyia Rogers and both these gals technically have 3 years of elibility left with 20-21 not counting? Seems to me Gray could end up still playing 3rd string pg at Oregon in 22-23 and possibly 23-24? Why would the #2 pg recruit in the Nation for 2022 think coming off the bench for her first 2 years is a "best" fit? Paopao should have 4 years of eligibility left, if she chooses to. Rogers is one year ahead of her.
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Post by beav1996 on Jul 7, 2021 13:20:21 GMT -8
rmancarl - You can add Mik to that list of recruits that chose Beavs over Cards. I'm not sure, but maybe Taya as well?
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Post by lotrader on Jul 7, 2021 13:51:35 GMT -8
The only glaring weakness OSU have next season is quickness--not to be overlooked. OSU does not possess quickness in the backcourt, nor do we have quickness in the front court. Thinking back to when our team made the trip to LA Schools a few seasons back, where we turned over the ball 25+ times in the UCLA/USC games. OSU suffered badly that weekend because we were playing teams that were much quicker than our players. Next season we are not mature in the backcourt, however, OSU has quality talent in the backcourt that will mature quickly. Putting all that aside, I don't see OSU playing 2nd/3rd fiddle to any program outside of Stanford over the next few years. OSU has outstanding players committed & coming to Corvallis in the 2022-23, and 2023-24 seasons. I appreciate what you are saying, but Stanford has only one the Pac-12 regular season title once in the last 7 years. With the level of the Pac-12 being what it is right now, I'm not ready to concede the title to Stanford. They are loaded next season, but they are going to have to play up to their potential, or they will get beat. The Beavs have now won recruiting battles with Stanford with Talia, Timea, and Greta in the last two recruiting cycles. Actually, that's pretty amazing however you want to look at it. There aren't many who will turn down a shot at a Stanford degree. Yes, we won the rematch, because we "limited" the backcourt turnovers through better preparation, but that team was still turnover prone the entire season (including the Tennessee game in NCAA Playoffs) due to our lack of quickness. We overcame to win through other strengths, including reducing the backcourt turnovers by using the post players breaking the press. When we had Destiny on the team, someone who was as quick as any opponent, our backcourt turnovers were far less when breaking the press. I'll be interested to see how our ball handling & turnovers are with our inexperienced backcourt this season.
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