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Post by TheGlove on Jun 22, 2021 12:42:40 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 22, 2021 15:46:29 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jun 22, 2021 18:12:00 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. Cmon, so on any given week...maybe what, 500 people that "might" go to a game won't be able to? you are absolutely right the Delta variant is going to cause a rise in cases again this fall, but when 70% of the population is fully vaccinated, and a good % of the 30% are young children, of those adults still holding out, how many will be sick in any one given week? I don't think it's going to cause a major impact on attendance, and I'll go so far as to say if OSU is better than 2019, they will have their highest attendance figures in years. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 23, 2021 0:02:14 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. Do you really think all of the people who are sick would pass on attending the games? The only reason the disease spreads is because people who are sick are passing it to others. There will be plenty who don't know they are sick, and plenty more who know or suspect they are sick and think they'll "be careful" not to give it to anyone. Sure, there will be people who do stay home, but realistically we're getting to the point where a great many of those who aren't vaccinated choose not to be. I get frustrated by the anti-vaxers. No vaccine is perfect, but so far they help tremendously... but.. Every person who gets covid is a potential host for a mutation down the line that could potentially make existing vaccines ineffective. As you've said, it isn't over, but it could be if everyone cooperated. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 23, 2021 10:21:24 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 23, 2021 10:39:25 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. Well said. |
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 23, 2021 11:03:13 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. So is this meant to be directed at ALL eligible people? I thought there were still 10's of 1000's of "Disadvantaged Individuals" that have been unable to get vaccinated because society has not done what society NEEDS to do to assist them. Whatever minority that person may belong to, it is not "The Man's" fault they have not been vaccinated...correct? I still see news articles/reports that different groups are under vaccinated and they NEED the vaccine to be brought to them individually. (And I generally agree with your premise...except it should not have a political bend to it at all.) |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 23, 2021 11:57:46 GMT -8
The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. So is this meant to be directed at ALL eligible people? I thought there were still 10's of 1000's of "Disadvantaged Individuals" that have been unable to get vaccinated because society has not done what society NEEDS to do to assist them. Whatever minority that person may belong to, it is not "The Man's" fault they have not been vaccinated...correct? I still see news articles/reports that different groups are under vaccinated and they NEED the vaccine to be brought to them individually. (And I generally agree with your premise...except it should not have a political bend to it at all.) It is directed at the able but unwilling. Wanting the vaccine but being unable to get it is completely different issue. There are some places in America far worse than us, but there are a myriad of ways those people are getting helped. Everything from Uber donating rides to clinics sending people door to door. Here in Salem, the hospital is operating a mobile clinic that drives around to different rural places in the county. I am not saying it is all perfect, but it is not an ignored population either. It is also a tiny fraction of the unvaccinated. and also another point in why if you can, you should. There are those that want to but are limited in ability. When OHA puts out a report that says 84% of Oregon's long term care residents are vaccinated but only 62% of the workers... I want to stab my eyeballs out. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 23, 2021 12:14:09 GMT -8
The governor announced the "last" set of covid restrictions for the state of Oregon - the assumption being that within the next two weeks we will pass the 70% of adults getting at least one shot and all restrictions are off. So yes, expect to have 100% capacity open. But don't expect 100% attendance. There will be plenty of sick unvaccinated people who will have to pass on some of the games. The covid variants moving to the top of the list are especially nasty and even one shot won't grant close to the immunity levels of the dual vaccine options. Covid isn't over just because the politicians say it is. The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. Dude. As of last week, white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.4 times higher than black Americans and white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.2 times higher than Hispanic Americans. And the rate of vaccinations of Hispanic Oregonians is lagging behind both white and black Oregonians. So, Hispanic Oregonians are knuckle-draggers? So, Hispanic Oregonians are "dips%#ts?" Hispanic Oregonians are "f%#*ing boat anchors?" Hispanic Oregonians are "lizard brained mouthbreathers?" And African-Americans and Hispanic Americans outside of Oregon are the same? Knuckle-draggers? Dips%#ts? F%#*ing boat anchors? Lizard brained mouthbreathers? And who is telling those African-Americans and Hispanic Americans? Who is that "wrong" person that you nebulously refer to? Who is telling Hispanic Oregonians not to get vaccinated? You are parroting one-sided garbage and stating it as true. It is not true. There is a lot more to this than knuckle-draggers, dips%#ts, f%#*ing boat anchors and lizard-brained mouthbreathers. And your oversimplification is wildly offensive to everyone. And it should be. Respectfully, pull your head out and educate out of intelligence rather than pontificate out of ignorance. Otherwise, I really like a lot of what you said, but your wildly-offensive to everyone rhetoric, while it may be cathartic, is wildly unhelpful to our joint cause. We are all Americans in this together. Educate. Convince. You have a lot of knowledge to provide us both with regards to health and sports. But passive-aggressively calling out minorities and others as ignorant is not helpful to anyone in any capacity. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 23, 2021 13:54:32 GMT -8
The issue is that we are rapidly approaching the "you can lead a horse to water" stage of this thing... The US, and Oregon, has done their job. We have produced a working and highly effective vaccine that offers high efficacy against the delta variant, we have made it readily available, we have made it free. We have greatly promoted it and basically done everything reasonable in our power to get it to the people. You can walk into basically any pharmacy in this state and get it. you can call any hospital in the state and walk into a clinic and get it. nearly every major primary physician org in the state is offering it. And yet, we still have hundreds of thousands of knuckle-draggers not doing it... and worse, they reason isn't because they think the vaccine is bad or dangerous (that is a pretty small minority in the grand scheme of things). they are not doing it out of reactance. out of belligerence. and to be perfectly blunt, because they are being told to do it and worse, the "wrong" person is telling the to do it. It is of absolutely no surprise the highest rates of vaccination in the US and in Oregon are highly correlated with political party distribution... And I say this with the full power of a master's degree in epi and knowing it is contrary to principles of public health... but we have hit the point that people are starting to make their bed and they are going to have to lay in it. And as a practitioner of public health and a person that has a career in health policy and trying to make people healthier... I am starting to resent my life being held back by dips%#ts. We have spent 18 months mostly, kinda sorta, all a little bit working together, all kind of rowing the boat. Now is not the time that I have to offer any compassion or sympathy to people that still want to be a f%#*ing boat anchor because they are lizard brained mouthbreathers. It is sad that inevitably we will see some sort of wave due to delta. it will happen. It will kill people it doesn't have too. But... it is literally preventable at this point and at some point you just have to say "well, that is on them". A 70% vaccination rate means that Delta ramping up won't overrun our hospitals. our counts will likely never be what they were this past winter... but the mortality rate is going to go up. It would be different if the vaccine wasn't accessible, but that is not the issue. They are sitting around going to waste because they are expiring. We are donating tens of millions of doses to other countries because Americans aren't getting it. Bottom line, the government has done its job, done what is expected. It is up to the people and the people are dropping the ball, I can't see that we can continue to hold back people based on the incomprehensible idiocy of the loud and stupid minority. More over, I trust science and the vaccine. It is EXTREMELY effective (Moderna and Pfizer that is). I have zero hesitation going out and about in public and I will only put a mask on inside, and I only do that because it is literally zero effort for me and I don't want to pack around a vaccine card and I honestly don't give a s%#t. I have bought concert tickets for some rad shows at Edgefield this August, I bought season tickets to football this year, I am going on a two week road trip in a couple weeks to see some grandparents we haven't seen in two years and I am fired up. Nowhere in my mind is the threat of getting COVID, because I am vaccinated. And while I know it doesn't make me invincible, I know it means even if I still do get it, it most likely will be extremely mild. COVID is never going away... society needs to understand this. I just think it is sad to know how many people will die before some people get the message. As a semi-related side note: COVID finally hit a close family member. We have a cousin in Colorado that has been in the hospital for now two weeks, and was finally just taken off of high flow oxygen a day ago. He was a hair away from intubation, with O2 sats getting down to the low 60s. while he is a bit of a bigger guy, but he is also only 30 with no other major health issues. He wasn't anti-vax, but was not vaccinated simply because he never got around to it and was too busy at work... well now he has missed two weeks and is looking at hundreds of thousands in hospital bills... He also has all the makings of this being long haul. It can still get you. get your shot. Dude. As of last week, white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.4 times higher than black Americans and white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.2 times higher than Hispanic Americans. And the rate of vaccinations of Hispanic Oregonians is lagging behind both white and black Oregonians. So, Hispanic Oregonians are knuckle-draggers? So, Hispanic Oregonians are "dips%#ts?" Hispanic Oregonians are "f%#*ing boat anchors?" Hispanic Oregonians are "lizard brained mouthbreathers?" And African-Americans and Hispanic Americans outside of Oregon are the same? Knuckle-draggers? Dips%#ts? F%#*ing boat anchors? Lizard brained mouthbreathers? And who is telling those African-Americans and Hispanic Americans? Who is that "wrong" person that you nebulously refer to? Who is telling Hispanic Oregonians not to get vaccinated? You are parroting one-sided garbage and stating it as true. It is not true. There is a lot more to this than knuckle-draggers, dips%#ts, f%#*ing boat anchors and lizard-brained mouthbreathers. And your oversimplification is wildly offensive to everyone. And it should be. Respectfully, pull your head out and educate out of intelligence rather than pontificate out of ignorance. Otherwise, I really like a lot of what you said, but your wildly-offensive to everyone rhetoric, while it may be cathartic, is wildly unhelpful to our joint cause. We are all Americans in this together. Educate. Convince. You have a lot of knowledge to provide us both with regards to health and sports. But passive-aggressively calling out minorities and others as ignorant is not helpful to anyone in any capacity. Oregon is 87% white according to ACS survey data. In particular, in Oregon which I am mostly referring too in my rant, the counties with the worst vaccination rates are 90%+ white. Douglas County, is 94% white. 0.18% black, and 3.2% Hispanic they have a 44% vaccination rate. I plucked Douglas County because unlike many Eastern Oregon counties, they have a population of over 100K. Neighboring Jackson County is 92% white. 0.4% black and 7% Hispanic and have a 53% vaccination rate with a population of about 97K The center of Oregon's demographic diversity is Benton county, Lane County and the PDX metro counties ALL of which lead the state in vaccination rates Currently in Oregon, Blacks make up 2.2% of the population and 2.0% of the vaccinated population. Whites make up 87% of the population but only 68% of the vaccinated population. Hispanics make up 13% of the population and 8% of the vaccinated population. Among CDC data where race is known: Nationwide blacks make up 13% of the population and currently 9% of the vaccinated population. Nationwide Whites make up 76% of the population and currently 60% of the vaccinated population. Nationwide hispanics make up 18.5% of the population and currently 15% of the vaccinated population. (of note, of course, ethnicity can blend races, if you are wondering why it adds up to more than 100) Blacks are 4 percentage points off their demographic presences nationwide, Hispanics are 3.5 points off and Whites are 16 points off. In Oregon, blacks are 0.2% off, Hispanics are 5 points off and white are 19 points off Whites have the highest disparity between population demographics and vaccination numbers. It isn't even a debate. . According to this data from Kaiser Family foundation www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/, there really is only one state in the nation that is overly concerning: Georgia which has the black population lagging in vaccinations by 7 percentage points relative to its population distribution. Bloomberg visualized this data different, creating a "fair share" metric: www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.htmlEvery other state in this nation with high percentages of Black Americans are within 3 percentage points of their population rate. It is important to point out that race and ethnicity data is missing on nearly 40% of all vaccine records, however that is not true for Oregon, which mandated the collection of this data last year. I am extraordinarily aware of the issues of medical mistrust in the black community. I have spend plenty of time studying racism in the health care system, the Tuskegee study and other incidents where black Americans were made unwitting guinea pigs in the name of "medical science". We have consistently f%#*ed up medical advice for Blacks time and time again and to this day Blacks continue to have significantly poorer outcomes for the same conditions as whites, in an explanation that can generally only be chalked up to inferior care. Control for co morbid conditions, age, sex, and income, if blacks are still fairing worse, it is because they are being treated worse. Thanks to Trump's extraordinarily racist public charge rule, even though Biden correctly eliminated it, I don't blame a single non-citizen Hispanic person from being hesitant to get a free shot for fear (though unfounded) of being ineligible to gain citizenship. There are obvious challenges with some minority populations in America. and yes, it is wrong and cruel to infer these fears amount to lizardbrained mouthbreathers. However, vaccine hesitance among minorities does not compare to vaccine hesitance among White Americans both in Oregon and across the US. and yes at an overall population rate, far fewer blacks are vaccinated than whites... This rant is focused at lizard brained mouthbreathers because that is what we are down to. That is the major population. that is what is holding both Oregon and the US from high, herd immunity rates. You are arguing the margins with me. You are taking the outliers and moving them front in center and giving me a healthy dose of whattaboutism... Issues with health disparities among minorities is very serious. There are good reasons why some minority populations would be hesitant to get the vaccine. It does not make them a lizard brain mouthbreather... To that, of course, I concede. was my rant over generalized and ham-fisted? of course... but. The absolute, dominate, far and away majority of people not getting the vaccine, relative to their population, are white people. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jun 23, 2021 14:04:08 GMT -8
Well, as long as we are getting off topic, I will just add that a recent EXTENSIVE study just revealed that one out of three duck fans are just as stupid as the other two!  Go Beavs!! Get your shot!! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 23, 2021 14:28:57 GMT -8
Dude. As of last week, white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.4 times higher than black Americans and white Americans are being vaccinated at a rate 1.2 times higher than Hispanic Americans. And the rate of vaccinations of Hispanic Oregonians is lagging behind both white and black Oregonians. So, Hispanic Oregonians are knuckle-draggers? So, Hispanic Oregonians are "dips%#ts?" Hispanic Oregonians are "f%#*ing boat anchors?" Hispanic Oregonians are "lizard brained mouthbreathers?" And African-Americans and Hispanic Americans outside of Oregon are the same? Knuckle-draggers? Dips%#ts? F%#*ing boat anchors? Lizard brained mouthbreathers? And who is telling those African-Americans and Hispanic Americans? Who is that "wrong" person that you nebulously refer to? Who is telling Hispanic Oregonians not to get vaccinated? You are parroting one-sided garbage and stating it as true. It is not true. There is a lot more to this than knuckle-draggers, dips%#ts, f%#*ing boat anchors and lizard-brained mouthbreathers. And your oversimplification is wildly offensive to everyone. And it should be. Respectfully, pull your head out and educate out of intelligence rather than pontificate out of ignorance. Otherwise, I really like a lot of what you said, but your wildly-offensive to everyone rhetoric, while it may be cathartic, is wildly unhelpful to our joint cause. We are all Americans in this together. Educate. Convince. You have a lot of knowledge to provide us both with regards to health and sports. But passive-aggressively calling out minorities and others as ignorant is not helpful to anyone in any capacity. Oregon is 87% white according to ACS survey data. In particular, in Oregon which I am mostly referring too in my rant, the counties with the worst vaccination rates are 90%+ white. Douglas County, is 94% white. 0.18% black, and 3.2% Hispanic they have a 44% vaccination rate. I plucked Douglas County because unlike many Eastern Oregon counties, they have a population of over 100K. Neighboring Jackson County is 92% white. 0.4% black and 7% Hispanic and have a 53% vaccination rate with a population of about 97K The center of Oregon's demographic diversity is Benton county, Lane County and the PDX metro counties ALL of which lead the state in vaccination rates Currently in Oregon, Blacks make up 2.2% of the population and 2.0% of the vaccinated population. Whites make up 87% of the population but only 68% of the vaccinated population. Hispanics make up 13% of the population and 8% of the vaccinated population. Among CDC data where race is known: Nationwide blacks make up 13% of the population and currently 9% of the vaccinated population. Nationwide Whites make up 76% of the population and currently 60% of the vaccinated population. Nationwide hispanics make up 18.5% of the population and currently 15% of the vaccinated population. (of note, of course, ethnicity can blend races, if you are wondering why it adds up to more than 100) Blacks are 4 percentage points off their demographic presences nationwide, Hispanics are 3.5 points off and Whites are 16 points off. In Oregon, blacks are 0.2% off, Hispanics are 5 points off and white are 19 points off Whites have the highest disparity between population demographics and vaccination numbers. It isn't even a debate. . According to this data from Kaiser Family foundation www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/, there really is only one state in the nation that is overly concerning: Georgia which has the black population lagging in vaccinations by 7 percentage points relative to its population distribution. Bloomberg visualized this data different, creating a "fair share" metric: www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.htmlEvery other state in this nation with high percentages of Black Americans are within 3 percentage points of their population rate. It is important to point out that race and ethnicity data is missing on nearly 40% of all vaccine records, however that is not true for Oregon, which mandated the collection of this data last year. I am extraordinarily aware of the issues of medical mistrust in the black community. I have spend plenty of time studying racism in the health care system, the Tuskegee study and other incidents where black Americans were made unwitting guinea pigs in the name of "medical science". We have consistently f%#*ed up medical advice for Blacks time and time again and to this day Blacks continue to have significantly poorer outcomes for the same conditions as whites, in an explanation that can generally only be chalked up to inferior care. Control for co morbid conditions, age, sex, and income, if blacks are still fairing worse, it is because they are being treated worse. Thanks to Trump's extraordinarily racist public charge rule, even though Biden correctly eliminated it, I don't blame a single non-citizen Hispanic person from being hesitant to get a free shot for fear (though unfounded) of being ineligible to gain citizenship. There are obvious challenges with some minority populations in America. and yes, it is wrong and cruel to infer these fears amount to lizardbrained mouthbreathers. However, vaccine hesitance among minorities does not compare to vaccine hesitance among White Americans both in Oregon and across the US. and yes at an overall population rate, far fewer blacks are vaccinated than whites... This rant is focused at lizard brained mouthbreathers because that is what we are down to. That is the major population. that is what is holding both Oregon and the US from high, herd immunity rates. You are arguing the margins with me. You are taking the outliers and moving them front in center and giving me a healthy dose of whattaboutism... Issues with health disparities among minorities is very serious. There are good reasons why some minority populations would be hesitant to get the vaccine. It does not make them a lizard brain mouthbreather... To that, of course, I concede. was my rant over generalized and ham-fisted? of course... but. The absolute, dominate, far and away majority of people not getting the vaccine, relative to their population, are white people. Well said. Facts are facts. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 23, 2021 15:01:52 GMT -8
Well said. Facts are facts. I completely want to acknowledge disparities among minority populations are real, are serious, and need addressing. But a generalized ham-fisted rant is pointed at the generalized problem... not the details. America's current, most significant generalized problem is white people not getting vaccinated relative to their population and relative to their demographics. They are the population that needs to lead to get us over the hump. because lets be real, if 100% of Blacks were vaccinated, less than 20% of America would be. Interestingly enough, it would take 100% of the black population being vaccinated to close the gap and cross 70% of the eligible population given the percentage of whites that have been vaccinated. (super rough napkin math, don't quote me) There is a lot of confusing and quite frankly contradictory information floating out there about the demographics of vaccination. this is due most significantly due to California not reporting vaccine rates by race and ethnicity, along with roughly 5 other states. So it is hard to know for sure the real rates. everything is estimates. Oregon's data, however, is pretty certain because as I mentioned we mandated it by law in the last short session (2020). For public good, for public health, for fairness and equity we have to address these issues with minority populations. It is a matter of health equity. But to the end goal of the majority population being vaccinated such that we achieve herd immunity and control a virus, the issue really does come down to blunt raw numbers and demographics. I am pointing at the 800 pound gorilla in the room as the problem... not the peeling paint, or the stain on the floor, or the crack in the window, or... |
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 23, 2021 15:11:03 GMT -8
Wow. Some people are so sensitive, it's amazeballs.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 23, 2021 15:31:17 GMT -8
White, black, brown, yellow, green, polka dotted, striped, plaid, paisley ... get a friggin' shot.
Atown hit it right on the head.
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