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Post by beavermd on Jun 14, 2021 15:30:41 GMT -8
Yeskie is damn lucky. He has a so, so Staff but what does it matter? The way Az hits his kids could roll the ball to the plate and they would still win. I read Arizona's team ERA has dropped by over 2 since Yeskie took over. That's not an accident. This is true, but it’s also misleading. Did you know that in 2017 Arizona’s team ERA was 4.36, and in 2018 it was 3.95? While it did jump to 6+ in 2019, the 4.43 ERA from their 2021 squad isn’t a record low of any kind. Did you know that in Yeskie’s first two seasons at OSU, the team ERAs were higher than the 2021 squad’s: 2009 ERA of 3.93, 2010 ERA of 4.19, 2021 ERA of 3.48. Is Yeskie a very good pitching coach? Absolutely. Is he an irreplaceable asset? No. |
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Post by beavermd on Jun 14, 2021 15:58:48 GMT -8
I read Arizona's team ERA has dropped by over 2 since Yeskie took over. That's not an accident. This is true, but it’s also misleading. Did you know that in 2017 Arizona’s team ERA was 4.36, and in 2018 it was 3.95? While it did jump to 6+ in 2019, the 4.43 ERA from their 2021 squad isn’t a record low of any kind. Did you know that in Yeskie’s first two seasons at OSU, the team ERAs were higher than the 2021 squad’s: 2009 ERA of 3.93, 2010 ERA of 4.19, 2021 ERA of 3.48. Is Yeskie a very good pitching coach? Absolutely. Is he an irreplaceable asset? No. Lets dig even further into Arizona’s ERA.. 2016: 3.18 2015: 3.81 2014: 4.49 2013: 4.41 2012: 3.7 |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jun 14, 2021 16:05:35 GMT -8
Miss St jumping on the domers.....already 7-1 and it’s only the second inning
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jun 14, 2021 16:24:01 GMT -8
Miss St jumping on the domers.....already 7-1 and it’s only the second inning and ND is on their 3rd pitcher! None named Rudy Correction..now 4th pitcher....and its still the second inning... But that being said....it wouldn’t surprise me to see this game tighten up....ND can generate some runs as we’ve seen this year.... |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 14, 2021 16:27:42 GMT -8
Yeskie is damn lucky. He has a so, so Staff but what does it matter? The way Az hits his kids could roll the ball to the plate and they would still win. I read Arizona's team ERA has dropped by over 2 since Yeskie took over. That's not an accident. Sorta [almost] true (with liberal 'rounding') 2019 overall UA ERA 6.23 with a 1.75 WHIP / 2021 overall UA ERA 4.43 (minus 1.8 from 2019) with a 1.42 WHIP (minus 0.3 from 2019) PAC 12 Conference Games only: 2019 ERA 6.23 with a 1.75 WHIP / 2021 4.89 ERA (minus 1.34) with a 1.50 WHIP (minus 0.41 from 2019) Further Comparison: 2019 leading IP pitcher was Labaut (85 innings): 5.19 ERA / 1.47 WHIP 2021 leading IP pitcher was Chase (91 innings): 5.54 ERA / 1.46 WHIP Nate - a success??? Can't decide. Maybe the ultimate determinant is that Nate's team is headed to OMAHA !! And the Ultimate-Ultimate Determinant is: How do the fare in Omaha  ? |
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Post by beaver94 on Jun 14, 2021 16:34:08 GMT -8
What? You mean like how we won the 2018 title with Abel? Yes. How's that working out for Mr. Abel? We would have won the 2018 title had he pulled Abel after six or seven innings. And Abel might not have that nice scar on his elbow. Maybe, maybe not though. There’s no way to know for sure what would have happened if another pitcher had been put in. Do you also really think Yeskie was the only one making the decision to keep Able in, or that that game is what caused him to need surgery? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 14, 2021 17:21:15 GMT -8
I read Arizona's team ERA has dropped by over 2 since Yeskie took over. That's not an accident. This is true, but it’s also misleading. Did you know that in 2017 Arizona’s team ERA was 4.36, and in 2018 it was 3.95? While it did jump to 6+ in 2019, the 4.43 ERA from their 2021 squad isn’t a record low of any kind. Did you know that in Yeskie’s first two seasons at OSU, the team ERAs were higher than the 2021 squad’s: 2009 ERA of 3.93, 2010 ERA of 4.19, 2021 ERA of 3.48. Is Yeskie a very good pitching coach? Absolutely. Is he an irreplaceable asset? No. With 572 strikeouts in 2021, Arizona has tied its own record for most strikeouts in program history with 2008, back when Oregon's Mark Wasikowski was an assistant coach. And that is only after game 61. Arizona can play an additional eight games. Arizona has played 68 or more games five times in its history and never threw 572 strikeouts in any of them. Ryan Perry and Daniel Schlereth were both 1st rounders in 2008, Eric Berger went in the 8th round, Mike Colla went in the 14th and David Coulon went in the 15th. In 2009, Jason Stoffel went in the 4th round, Cory Burns went in the 8th round and Preston Guilmet went in the 9th round. In 2011, Matthew Chaffee went in the 12th round. 2008 and 2021 are Arizona's best two strikeout staffs since 1963 on a per inning basis. (That 1963 team lost to USC in the National Championship Game 5-2.) Yeskie's first two seasons at Oregon State were immediately after the 5.29 ERA quagmire that the Beavers were left with in 2008. The team showed immediate improvement in ERA and strikeouts after Yeskie was hired. And that all ignores the fact that the 2011 bats were a lot more pitcher-friendly than the pre-2011 hitter-friendly bats. |
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Post by beavermd on Jun 14, 2021 17:47:56 GMT -8
This is true, but it’s also misleading. Did you know that in 2017 Arizona’s team ERA was 4.36, and in 2018 it was 3.95? While it did jump to 6+ in 2019, the 4.43 ERA from their 2021 squad isn’t a record low of any kind. Did you know that in Yeskie’s first two seasons at OSU, the team ERAs were higher than the 2021 squad’s: 2009 ERA of 3.93, 2010 ERA of 4.19, 2021 ERA of 3.48. Is Yeskie a very good pitching coach? Absolutely. Is he an irreplaceable asset? No. With 572 strikeouts in 2021, Arizona has tied its own record for most strikeouts in program history with 2008, back when Oregon's Mark Wasikowski was an assistant coach. And that is only after game 61. Arizona can play an additional eight games. Arizona has played 68 or more games five times in its history and never threw 572 strikeouts in any of them. Ryan Perry and Daniel Schlereth were both 1st rounders in 2008, Eric Berger went in the 8th round, Mike Colla went in the 14th and David Coulon went in the 15th. In 2009, Jason Stoffel went in the 4th round, Cory Burns went in the 8th round and Preston Guilmet went in the 9th round. In 2011, Matthew Chaffee went in the 12th round. 2008 and 2021 are Arizona's best two strikeout staffs since 1963 on a per inning basis. (That 1963 team lost to USC in the National Championship Game 5-2.) Yeskie's first two seasons at Oregon State were immediately after the 5.29 ERA quagmire that the Beavers were left with in 2008. The team showed immediate improvement in ERA and strikeouts after Yeskie was hired. And that all ignores the fact that the 2011 bats were a lot more pitcher-friendly than the pre-2011 hitter-friendly bats. Great info, but nothing you’ve typed out contradicts my final point of Yeskie being irreplaceable. He’s very good and will have success at Arizona as long as he’s there. And since you mentioned strikeout records, we should note that OSU also set their strikeout record this year under Dorman. Does that mean the jury is out on Dorman? Absolutely not, but he put together a solid year for his first at OSU. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 14, 2021 18:46:19 GMT -8
Imagine the thread if Casey had gone to LSU….Yeskie is gone. Loved him when he wore black and orange, but couldn’t care less anymore, especially given the way he left OSU. If he is better or worse than Dorman makes no difference. Only one is a Beaver.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 14, 2021 20:14:22 GMT -8
Yes. How's that working out for Mr. Abel? We would have won the 2018 title had he pulled Abel after six or seven innings. And Abel might not have that nice scar on his elbow. Maybe, maybe not though. There’s no way to know for sure what would have happened if another pitcher had been put in. Do you also really think Yeskie was the only one making the decision to keep Able in, or that that game is what caused him to need surgery? There is no way to know for sure. You are correct. But I like our chances with a 4-0, then a 5-0, lead, with Arkansas down to its final nine or six outs. Unlike the DBU finale, our bullpen was not fried. We had several fresh arms to choose from, from both sides. Yeskie was the PC. As such, the buck stops with him. If he's being widely credited by many on this site for his success, so must he shoulder the blame for his failures, and the massive number of arm/shoulder injuries sustained during his tenure. What we do know: Abel threw 95 pitches vs. Mississippi State on June 23. He threw 23 pitches in Game 2 of the Finals on June 27. He threw 129 in Game 3 on June 28. That's 152 pitches in a 24-hour span on June 27-28, and 247 in a five-day span (23-28). What else we know: Despite being shut down for the summer and fall of 2018, he threw only 16 innings in 2019 before being shut down with an elbow injury that eventually resulted in TJ surgery. What else we know: He wasn't the same pitcher in 2019 before being hurt, and has not been the same pitcher since the surgery. Do I "know" for certain that throwing 129 pitches in the final game caused his elbow injury? No. But I don't think it did him any good, that's for darn sure. |
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