wbosh15
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Post by wbosh15 on Jun 10, 2021 10:28:49 GMT -8
IMO folks are overstating how much the KB returning from injury will be a factor next season. I would agree it would be a big issue if her clearance to play would be in September or October, but I believe she's already cleared to play. By the time next season starts she'll be 20 months post injury. I think a full offseason of work will knock the rust off, and she will be good to go day 1.
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Post by rmancarl on Jun 10, 2021 10:59:37 GMT -8
IMO folks are overstating how much the KB returning from injury will be a factor next season. I would agree it would be a big issue if her clearance to play would be in September or October, but I believe she's already cleared to play. By the time next season starts she'll be 20 months post injury. I think a full offseason of work will knock the rust off, and she will be good to go day 1. You may be right, I've just seen too many times when it took players a while to get 'in the groove' again. Does your golf game remain the same after some time off? Even if you go to the driving range? One thing that should benefit Kennedy, besides the good amount of time for healing, should be the fact that the Beavs have enough high quality players for 2 very good teams for scrimmaging. And there are lots of 'bigs' for her to compete against. If she still is considering playing at the 3 spot, there will also be some good smaller players for her to she if she can keep up with them defensively.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 10, 2021 12:00:12 GMT -8
If Kennedy's leg is back to its pre-injury shape, I think she should be ready to go basketball-wise.... I don't see any anatomical reason she should be rusty or need time to get back into the groove.
The good news about KB is that she is already technically sound, so that's a good start. Her greatest shortcoming in her time with the Bears when she was healthy is that she was not a good shooter. Not terrible, of course, but certainly not a good shooter by OSU standards... If, for some reason, she develops a GOOD shot from 16 feet out to the 3 point line, she will immediately become a star, perhaps THE star, on next year's team.
She's 6'6, she's mobile, she's athletic, and she plays defense like a tiger. If she becomes a shooter she will be frikken' awesome....She would, I believe, become a season changer....
Players with her size and athleticism just don't come around very often....And when they do, rarely can they shoot with consistency from the perimeter. So, to repeat, if Kennedy develops a genuine shot she will be frikken' awesome.... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by beaverstever on Jun 10, 2021 13:59:48 GMT -8
IMO, if Kennedy decided to focus on being a 4 instead of a 3, she'd be a much bigger scoring threat than she was her frosh year. She could be a twin-tower interior force with Jones, but has wanted to play too far away from the basket and shoot 3s. I'm hoping the time off has helped her see/re-think where she can make the biggest impact. If she could bring a regular 10 pts of interior scoring per game, then that plus what Talia and Jones bring as a scoring punch is already enough offense to win a lot go games (especially with what Kennedy does for our defense). This team doesn't have any 'take over a game' scoring threats, but they have a lot of options that should all be efficient with their scoring opportunities. That combined with a solid group of defenders that should be a much better defensive rebounding team with Kennedy and Greta, this feels like a roster that Rueck knows how to win with. "team doesn't have any 'take over a game' scoring threats..." (except possibly Talia - we have yet to see what she'll bring as a 'veteran' Freshman). I thought about her potential to have 25-30pt games, and she's indeed capable, but I'm not sure she can do that (at least yet) when teams decide to defend her well beyond the arch (i.e. last 3 games of the season). But if she has a 'sophomore' jump going into next season where she can reliably shed Pac-12 level defenders, they I can definitely see that happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 8:20:56 GMT -8
Thickhead's WBB Official Depth Chart
Taylor Jones Jelena Mitrovic
Ellie Mack (Ellie > Kennedy) Kennedy Brown
Taya Corosdale Jovanna Subasic
Emily Codding (GK and AJ not ready yet, and EC has experience) Greta Kampschroeder AJ Marotte
Talia Von Oelhoffen Tea Adams
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 26, 2021 9:30:25 GMT -8
Noelle Mannen....backup-backup PG ?
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Post by markarmour04 on Jun 26, 2021 10:17:37 GMT -8
Scott has said that Kennedy is the best 4/5 defender he's ever coached. Two years ago he would play KB in crunch time against the opposing 5 even if it meant sitting a rested Taylor. If KB is healthy (no reason to doubt this) I would be stunned if she did not play every important minute.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 26, 2021 10:28:04 GMT -8
Noelle Mannen....backup-backup PG ? If she’s playing more than garbage minutes, the team is in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 10:30:18 GMT -8
Scott has said that Kennedy is the best 4/5 defender he's ever coached. Two years ago he would play KB in crunch time against the opposing 5 even if it meant sitting a rested Taylor. If KB is healthy (no reason to doubt this) I would be stunned if she did not play every important minute. Offensively, in terms of shooting skill, mobility, and experience, there's no doubt that Ellie is the superior player, by a large margin. Her defensive skills are not pedestrian, by any means, either. So I disagree. Kennedy's possibly superior defensive skills aren't enough to outweigh Ellie's skills. Kennedy should not start over Ellie. It would only be in deference to ego that SR would start Kennedy. When a longer defender is needed to keep Sedona Prince or some other tall post from going wild, then yes, maybe Kennedy should start. But only then.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jun 26, 2021 10:56:12 GMT -8
I'm going with the same thing I went with all of last season: only one of Corosdale and Mack should be starting, not both. Pick one, other comes off the bench. To me if both are starting, that's a bad sign. Unless both show dramatic improvement from last year.
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Post by escott58 on Jun 26, 2021 11:09:40 GMT -8
All this guessing has caused me to re-think what I'd previously thunk. Going to have to reserve judgement until a few games in pre-season, which is probably copping out. The team appears to be very deep.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jun 26, 2021 11:14:20 GMT -8
Scott has said that Kennedy is the best 4/5 defender he's ever coached. Two years ago he would play KB in crunch time against the opposing 5 even if it meant sitting a rested Taylor. If KB is healthy (no reason to doubt this) I would be stunned if she did not play every important minute. Offensively, in terms of shooting skill, mobility, and experience, there's no doubt that Ellie is the superior player, by a large margin. Her defensive skills are not pedestrian, by any means, either. So I disagree. Kennedy's possibly superior defensive skills aren't enough to outweigh Ellie's skills. Kennedy should not start over Ellie. It would only be in deference to ego that SR would start Kennedy. When a longer defender is needed to keep Sedona Prince or some other tall post from going wild, then yes, maybe Kennedy should start. But only then. Ellie was not dazzling last year in my opinion. I'd give the nod to Kennedy for a few reasons. I think she's more capable of providing defensive help down low, and hopefully keep Taylor out of foul trouble. I think she'll be able to get past the offensive woes that plagued her as a freshman. And, while this year's team is going to be vey good, the true Promised Land journey is the following 2 years. Ellie won't be around for them, but Kennedy will. I'd want her to gain as much experience as a starter as possible heading into those years. Which brings up something else. Ellie can't transfer out, but Kennedy can. If it's a tossup as far as skills go, I'd want to keep Kennedy happy. Ellie came here to experience big time basketball for a year, and she's going to get to do that this year. If she doesn't start, but gets plenty of minutes (which she will), I think she'll be fine with it.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jun 26, 2021 12:16:52 GMT -8
So...Brown averaged 6.3 ppg as a Fr. on a more stacked team, compared to Mack averaging 6.8 ppg as a 5th year Sr. Mack shot the ball better, okay, we'll give her that. Let's look at rebounding--7.6 for Brown, 3.7 for Mack. Neither put up significant assist numbers. Mack is simply not a shot blocker, Brown averaged just under 1.5 per game.
As far as stats go, Mack gives you better shooting, although she's not exactly a sharpshooter. Everything else is well in favor of Brown.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 26, 2021 12:36:15 GMT -8
It's 105 degrees and I'm squirrelled away in my basement trying to keep cool.... But I will add a few comments to the previous 3 or 4...
One, I totally agree with nwhoopfan that it is unlikely that BOTH Mack and Corosdale will start. Too much of the same thing from two different players. Both are solid, technically sound, good size, good passers. But neither can create their own shot with any consistency and that's not good when you're trying to score points.
bvrbooster's point about the importance of keeping Kennedy as a centerpiece to the team because she will hopefully be a Beaver for 3 more years is a BIG consideration from a coaches point of view, from a team chemistry point of view, and possibly, from a recruiting point of view....
Corosdale has been in the program for 4 years and she is a very good player who might get slightly better. She's good, obviously, since she has been starting since she was a frosh, but she's not going to make a leap of any kind next year. The jury is still out on Mack. She's solid athletically, but not great. There is a chance she could perform at a higher level offensively next year, but it's hard to say. I hope so.
In my opinion Mack and Subasik (sp) both took a gamble coming back because playing time is not a gimme for either of them, especially if the team stays healthy....
I think Rueck is in a great place as far as his Bigs are concerned for 21/22.... And we haven't even talked about Jelena and the possibility that she takes a big step forward....I've been watching a lot of film from our last 8 games, and Jelena has some very impressive performances in her passing game and on the boards. She's my official guess for "leap" player next season.
This got more ramblin' than I wanted, but it's June and it's hot.... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by lotrader on Jun 27, 2021 7:23:51 GMT -8
I don't think it matters a great deal who starts, but I 100% agree with nwhoopfan, that KB is a far superior player than Mack. No ifs/ands/buts. Coaching staff has a plethora of BIGS, and rotation flexibility on 3/4/5 positions. Keeping Taylor out of foul trouble is paramount to OSU's success next year, and having KB in the lineup with Taylor to guard the opponents best post player is something OSU didn't have last season. Also, KB is a terrific rebounder. I have high hopes for Taya next season. She was such a great defender at the end of the season, and, her 3-point shot was much better at end of the season. I don't see Rueck taking minutes away from Taylor, KB, or Taya next season. The other BIGs will fill in behind these 3.
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